TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #34

[11frogs]

I found this pic (maybe it has been posted before but I don't remember seeing it). This shows CG working out in front of the Worship center. You can see their mats and weights. MB May have been heading towards this area
to unload equipment or unlock front doors.

 

[knowthings]

You know the whole dog fight blood on shirt issue is still stuck in my craw, RB didn't throw it in the trash because he was afraid the cops would find it and he would look suspicious??? so what he could have told them the truth and told them to test the blood type, very odd to me, JMHO.

 

[WannaBDetective]

You know the whole dog fight blood on shirt issue is still stuck in my craw, RB didn't throw it in the trash because he was afraid the cops would find it and he would look suspicious??? so what he could have told them the truth and told them to test the blood type, very odd to me, JMHO.

I believe that's what he did, didn't he?

 

[GeeEm]

The italicized text from my post that you quoted was an excerpt from the Daily Mail article that I linked.

What I'm saying is that IF some LE source told a reporter that there was evidence of cleanup at the scene, the reporter misinterpreted that to mean the killer attempted to clean up the crime scene. What was really meant was that the killer cleaned up himself at the scene.

Gotcha!!! However it has not been verified that there was an actual cleaning by MD LE press release.

Nothing indicates that on the little amount of video we have seen as well.

All that is basically "hearsay"

jmo 🐮

 

[11frogs]

Questions???

If POIs on SWs have deleted certain time frames within their FB pages and made their FB pages private is LE still able to view these areas that can no longer be viewed by the public?

Also, would you say if a certain person not listed in SW has a FB page and deleted a posting said person made the day before the murder would this seem suspicious especially if it is in reply to person listed as a POI?
I think TOS rules keep me from posting something.

And if you have nothing to hide - why delete any pages at all?

 

[SteveS]

Gotcha!!! However it has not been verified that there was an actual cleaning by MD LE press release.

Nothing indicates that on the little amount of video we have seen as well.

All that is basically "hearsay"

jmo 

Correct. Not only have we NOT been told by LE or trusted local media that perp did some cleanup, we haven't been told that anyone else did either. There's been no actual mention of cleanup by anyone (except the one unexplained mention by that online English website/paper).

Frankly, to me it's common sense that none happened. Perp would have been motivated with getting away before someone arrived and saw, and wouldn't care if there was a mess or not. Campers would have been trying to aid MB and get LE there, and then LE on arrival would have wanted everything left intact, for evidentiary reasons.

 

[bluevioletfour]

Are there any criminal profilers on here? It would be interesting to see what they think about the SP.

 

[SteveS]

Questions???

If POIs on SWs have deleted certain time frames within their FB pages and made their FB pages private is LE still able to view these areas that can no longer be viewed by the public?

Also, would you say if a certain person not listed in SW has a FB page and deleted a posting said person made the day before the murder would this seem suspicious especially if it is in reply to person listed as a POI?
I think TOS rules keep me from posting something.

And if you have nothing to hide - why delete any pages at all?

I don't know if this applies to what you are talking about. But since you asked about people who knew MB and what they opt to do, I'll hazard a reply.

I think it's easy to over-analyze every little thing that someone does. We see things that we would do ourselves and never think anything of, but suddenly when they are in our cross-hairs, they're damned if they do and damned if they don't, no matter what it is. And the innocent, not just the guilty, have plenty of reason to try to keep the world from sifting through their FB and their life and finding a way to make something nefarious out of any- and everything.

People have to simply go on and live their lives, and they do.

 

[11frogs]

I don't know if this applies to what you are talking about. But since you asked about people who knew MB and what they opt to do, I'll hazard a reply.

I think it's easy to over-analyze every little thing that someone does. We see things that we would do ourselves and never think anything of, but suddenly when they are in our cross-hairs, they're damned if they do and damned if they don't, no matter what it is. And the innocent, not just the guilty, have plenty of reason to try to keep the world from sifting through their FB and their life and finding a way to make something nefarious out of any- and everything.

People have to simply go on and live their lives, and they do.

thanks SteveS; however, this is not my question.

I really would like to know if someone deletes certain time frames within their FB page and now has made their FB page private can LE still retrieve the deleted data for review and still be able to view their FB page with entries that non-accepted friends cannot see for SW purposes? (Maybe I did not word it correctly - sorry)

the other question is in relation to a WS member saying they wish they knew who posted any comments to BB while
he was at airport or at restaurant.
(I do remember one person but will not list due to TOS rules)

just want to know answer to first question because I do not know how that works in FB for LE.

 

[GeeEm]

That's clearly what I stated in the post that you quoted and then asked for a link. Not sure why you're going in circles on this. Google is effective. I suggest people try it before asking for a link.

Not trying to argue trust me, I asked for A LINK thinking you had knowledge of a reliable source.

I use Google, again, links are very informative when posting truth vs hearsay.

Again, Daily Mail is not directly quoted by MD LE, that is again, my point.

jmo 🐮

 

[SteveS]

I really would like to know if someone deletes certain time frames within their FB page and now has made their FB page private can LE still retrieve the deleted data for review and still be able to view their FB page with entries that non-accepted friends cannot see for SW purposes? (Maybe I did not word it correctly - sorry).

For such access, imo LE would need a SW, and it would give them the right to access whatever is on FB servers.

 

[Deleted member 172065]

Got lost re clean-up.
The ONLY place that mentioned a clean-up was the Daily Mail...?

 

[Razz]

thanks SteveS; however, this is not my question.

I really would like to know if someone deletes certain time frames within their FB page and now has made their FB page private can LE still retrieve the deleted data for review and still be able to view their FB page with entries that non-accepted friends cannot see for SW purposes? (Maybe I did not word it correctly - sorry)

the other question is in relation to a WS member saying they wish they knew who posted any comments to BB while
he was at airport or at restaurant.
(I do remember one person but will not list due to TOS rules)

just want to know answer to first question because I do not know how that works in FB for LE.

Yes, 11frogs, that would have been me. I was wondering if anyone liked those posts or replied to BB'S posts on the day he left for Texas and later, at the Half Shell in Miss. And if so, were there a bunch, a few or one and how do you know? Thanks!

Razz

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[11frogs]

For such access, imo LE would need a SW, and it would give them the right to access whatever is on FB servers.

Ok I just re-read the only search warrant for MBs electronic devices and linked in account. So is it correct that no warrants have been issued for anyone's FB page or any other SM accounts that are listed as POIs? Even if everyone's alibi checked out there may be a dam of information just waiting for the flood gates to open. JMO

thank you for answering

 

[11frogs]

Yes, 11frogs, that would have been me. I was wondering if anyone liked those posts or replied to BB'S posts on the day he left for Texas and later, at the Half Shell in Miss. And if so, were there a bunch, a few or one and how do you know? Thanks!

Razz

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I remember airport because I was looking around on BBs page and decided to see if anyone commented as I thought the same as you. There were 3 comments (2 from other people and one from BB talking to one of these people) I don't remember any comments to restaurant post. TOS rules says I can't post. I

 

[GA_Peach]

Ok I just re-read the only search warrant for MBs electronic devices and linked in account. So is it correct that no warrants have been issued for anyone's FB page or any other SM accounts that are listed as POIs? Even if everyone's alibi checked out there may be a dam of information just waiting for the flood gates to open. JMO

thank you for answering

Recently there was a SW released for BB's Facebook account.

Here's the link:
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...s-slowed-police-say-new-warrants-released.ece

 

[11frogs]

Recently there was a SW released for BB's Facebook account.

Here's the link:
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...s-slowed-police-say-new-warrants-released.ece

thanks GA_Peach.

I wonder if there are Forensic SM degrees. My friends daughter is getting a SM degree and we all laughed when she told us because we thought she was kidding. She wants to work for the United Nations.

interesting reading
http://www.lawandforensics.com/forensics/forensics-expert-witness/

 

[WannaBDetective]

Hmm. I have always felt that the web of SM, Texts, E-mails and Phone Logs would hopefully point to the likely SP. 99% of the time, people don’t get so angry, smitten (pick your emotion) with another person that they dress up like SWAT and take a hammer claw to their head and chest…unless the relationship was precipitated by significant interaction. Much of this data fades (dates, erases, getswritten over) over time. I hope LE has accumulated and preserved the histories.
In my non-LE world, I foresee an immediate frantic dig of all of MB’s communication, and rapidly pinpointing who you’d like to see the other side (or the communication to) and their context. And expanding from there, wherever the evidence leads you.

 

[DeDee]

Yes I understand that was LE's initial shoot-from-the-hip idea just hours after the crime.

But again, the physical evidence we see says that the entry was NOT done in such a simple, easy manner. The kitchen door tells a story.

Here's the door, before it was repaired. Look at the signs of hammering around the lock, and the gouges where it was twisted by force to the side and perhaps pried off. Look at the fact that there's no exterior lock on the door. (In contrast, other pics show that the hardware on the other side of the door was intact at the same time as this pic.) To get it to that condition, it took time (and hard work) by the perp that obviously wouldn't have been expended if they could simply reach through the door and push the bar. That door is telling us that it wasn't a simple "break glass and reach in and push bar" process that the perp did to enter.

And once we listen to what it tells us, then there is more to the story, other than it wasn't easy to get in here. It would perhaps also tell us that
1 it's more likely than not that the NE door damage was also an attempt to enter, not just random vandalism
2 that it took time, and hard work, to enter
3 that adjusts some of our time theories, and perhaps the perp's mental state on entering as well
4 it may actually offer the very best explanation for perp's breaking of exterior windows, and interior glass, if perp is feeling frustration/anger over how hard it was to enter (rather than some mysterious or elaborate staging, or randomness)

The kitchen door tells a story

You are explaining that the metal door on the East Side of the Bldg leads to the Kitchen?

All possible, Steve. Just wondering why they would say "reached and opened", if they had observed the same damage we are looking at now. I am open for any scenario, if evidence leads. Right now I am kind of stuck with the entry point and the additional exterior damage.

As I just posted, the camera right outside the portico door may have provided additional insight about Missy's movements. I know, they said they had no outside video tape. Not sure though, if they count that particular porch/ entry area as "outside". It would certainly help, if that cam was operational - obviously.

-Nin

"... why they would say "reached and opened"..."

SP used the NE doors near the dumpster and not the East Side metal door is why Spann said they "reached and opened" to gain entry into the Church. The NE double doors at the top of the exterior stairs are equipped with glass doors and panic bars. Thus, SP broke the glass, reached into the inside of the door and pressed the handle or panic bar to enter. To SPs immediate Lt that turns the corner for the S Wall is Door 7 for the Kitchen. Room 8 is on SP right hand side looking S along the E wall when standing at the entry point from the SE stairs from the Parking Lot.

:cow:

 

[JnRyan]

Luminol wouldn't be used in this case, but that's neither here nor there. Taking off an outer layer of clothing would pose little risk of leaving epithelial cells. And even if he did leave behind a few skin cells in the kitchen, they'd be lost in a sea of skin cells from all the other folks who've been there.

Whoever is processing the crime evidence has a real challenge. So far LE has said they know a vehicle left the lot not long after the murder, but they stated they can't ID a make and model. That would have been a big break through, find Missy's blood or other biological evidence in the vehicle. But what vehicle. The tactical suit probably eliminates most if not all trace evidence left behind. And if they did, the POI could simply state they were there for Easter services. Easter services are usually so crowded anyone could lost in some of them so it might be difficult to prove they weren't there. (Of course, if they planned ahead and attended Easter service - or any other service - as a recon under the guise of a visitor so much the better.)

I'm of the belief that whoever did this is not part of Missy's inner circle of acquaintances and that is going to make it all that much more difficult for LE to make a connection. Either an unknown stalker or someone hired. Or a B&E gone bad. (I still have my doubts on that last one.)