TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016- # 7

[Glammie]

I agree. Or maybe Missy ripped a chunk of the SWAT costume off the perp and the fabric was still in her hand when LE found her. I hope she did.

Very true

 

[verbonica]

Gosh, you morning people amaze me. What I wouldn't give to be more like y'all!!

Anyway, I thought about this too. Okay, so what if camper #1 wanted to help or ask a question. Is it possible that camper #1 was waiting for Missy to come back out of the church so they could ask what she needed them to do/ask them the questions? Did the camper get worried when Missy didn't come out again and that's why camper #1 decided to wait on everyone else before going inside? Did camper #1 get there early to help out/ask questions but something looked "off" and they waited on the rest of the campers to get there because they were nervous?

I tried to think of what I would do if I was camper #1. Would I jump to the conclusion that something was wrong if there wasn't anything out of the ordinary to make me think so or would I just assume Missy was in the bathroom and I'd intercept her when she came out?

I mean, there's also the possibility that camper #1 was brand new to the camp and didn't know Missy all that well. Camper #1 gets there early because they don't know how long it will take for them to make it to the church because they've never been there before. But, it's their first day so they don't want to be late! BUT, when they get there--they don't want to go on in when only the trainer is there either. Maybe they're shy or self conscious and it would be easier to walk in when everyone else does in order to blend in and not draw attention to themselves. Maybe they just didn't want to be the first one there but when they were, they decided to do something in their car.

So maybe.....camper #1 was doing something in their car on their phone or iPad (work? homework? looking at their calendar? entering calories in on their fitness app?), or maybe finishing breakfast before they went in to help?! The other campers show up, everyone gets out of their cars after doing whatever they need to do, they greet one another and they go in together.

So many ways this could go.

Come on LE! Give us something more to work with here!!

BBM

Excellent ideas!

It doesn't seem that LE wants our help

 

[Satchie]

If we can figure out some of the reasoning behind why LE believes that Missy was the target, it might help us to better understand what is on the footage we haven't seen.

I think they have video of him going to hide somewhere, lying in wait for her.

It occurs to me, maybe he opened those doors to create places that he could hide behind and grab her as she passed.

I think people in the criminal justice system are completely familiar with the motivations and behaviours associated with various types of crimes. There's nothing new under the sun when you spend your life studying and interacting with criminals, they follow certain patterns just like people do in other areas of life.

Someone just there to vandalize the church as part of a fantasy role play would have run away when she came in - they wouldn't have known, for example, that she was alone.

To me, the person doesn't know about the cameras. If they did they would have moved faster and been flustered/awkward. I see no self consciousness, but of course that's just personal interpretation. People had widely varying interpetations of Elisa Lam's behaviour on the elevator camera.

 

[ahintexas]

But how would some one with the fire department have access to LE gear?

Not saying this is the case here.

One of our friends is a fireman/paramedic, who also happens to be part of a big city swat team as their medic. He has full swat gear.

 

[Glammie]

Not saying this is the case here.

One of our friends is a fireman/paramedic, who also happens to be part of a big city swat team as their medic. He has full swat gear.

Ah ha! Well that would make sense.

 

[colette]

I wish someone could point out a case where LE really did this. I can't think of any except in known active shooter situations. Sometimes, LE gives the usual "take normal precautions/use common sense" statement, but I don't know if I've ever heard them give a stronger statement. I always assume they don't want to panic the townspeople.

They said this after Allison Feldman was murdered.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...ty-following-allison-feldman-murder/23978355/


From my post on Websleuths: The end of the video, the message from the meeting was " lock your windows, lock your doors and if you see something suspicious report it".

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...rder/23978355/

I'm sure that made everyone feel better... (post #42)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ed-in-her-Scottsdale-home-18-Feb-2015-1/page3

 

[Sparky]

Hey Folks,

Let's move away from BB and Missy being friends on FB. They are still friends.

If some of you can't see it, there may be a glitch with FB. But I can assure you they are still hooked up.

Thanks and have a wonderful day!

Bumping

 

[texasgirl2]

Not saying this is the case here.

One of our friends is a fireman/paramedic, who also happens to be part of a big city swat team as their medic. He has full swat gear.

Another possibility is the fact that some departments in Texas are just called "Public Safety" if the city is small. This means that employees must be police officers AND firefighters. Some smaller cities that do this are not that far from Midlothian, FYI.

Here's an example although I am not sure where this city is in Texas.

http://www.oakpointtexas.com/dps

 

[Dushi]

I am not sure LE has anything on video that shows she was targeted.
I think it has been through the investigation that they may have changed their mind from robbery to targeted
They reported robbery at first and only recently was there a report of LE saying targeted

 

[Spellbound]

This has always bugged me, so I am going to ask. Is it normal to have video surveillance in only the hallways but not in the actual rooms of a business/church? As far as I can recall, we have never seen anything other than in the hallways.

Am I right in assuming they do not have video of when the "cop" actually entered the church premises, nor of when he/she left? Would that mean he did not leave via a hallway/outside door?

 

[Dushi]

This has always bugged me, so I am going to ask. Is it normal to have video surveillance in only the hallways but not in the actual rooms of a business/church? As far as I can recall, we have never seen anything other than in the hallways.

Am I right in assuming they do not have video of when the "cop" actually entered the church premises, nor of when he/she left? Would that mean he did not leave via a hallway/outside door?

I guess if motion activated, the camera would start after he/she entered the premises

 

[neesaki]

The perp arrived well before Missy got there. It baffles me why s/he would wander around the building causing damage and therefore making noise. If Missy was the target, why didn't the perp lie in wait and keep quiet?

What if Missy had walked in and spotted the perp before he saw her? I'm sure Missy would have turned and run out of the church. Sadly, this didn't happen.

Maybe he / she was on some kind of uppers and couldn't keep still, just a thought I've had. That tapping on the wall they were doing was kind of strange. Jmo

 

[Satchie]

This has always bugged me, so I am going to ask. Is it normal to have video surveillance in only the hallways but not in the actual rooms of a business/church? As far as I can recall, we have never seen anything other than in the hallways.

Yes, because hallways are considered public spaces and normal people don't do private things in hallways. And they just want to see intruders, not spy on people who are there for legitimate reasons.

 

[Inthedetails]

This has always bugged me, so I am going to ask. Is it normal to have video surveillance in only the hallways but not in the actual rooms of a business/church? As far as I can recall, we have never seen anything other than in the hallways.

We haven't seen all the video.

I would also assume the church was satisfied with cameras only in areas where someone could enter the building, not total surveillance, ykwim?

 

[Deleted member 718]

Of course not -- they've said the attack was targeted, hence not random.

Good morning Montjoy,

Police have not said Missy's attack was targeted. This is a rumor that has grown legs.

http://www.fox4news.com/news/126278594-story

"Investigator agreed the murder certainly has elements of a targeted attack. They haven’t yet ruled out an interrupted burglary, though. Although nothing was taken at the church, several windows and doors were broken and police have recovered tools the suspect used to bust the glass."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fitness-t...002259586.html

"Sunday, about nine hours before her body was discovered — advertised that she would be at the church early Monday for her regular fitness class, causing police to consider if Bevers was targeted."


http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Mid...376770941.html

And, at Midlothian Police Department's last press conference Asst Chief Kevin Johnson said "at this point everything is on the table. We simply don't know. All we know is we want to find the killer responsible whether it's one person, two persons, three persons, male or female."

 

[KrazyKatLadi]

This has always bugged me, so I am going to ask. Is it normal to have video surveillance in only the hallways but not in the actual rooms of a business/church? As far as I can recall, we have never seen anything other than in the hallways.

Am I right in assuming they do not have video of when the "cop" actually entered the church premises, nor of when he/she left? Would that mean he did not leave via a hallway/outside door?

I'm assuming we only have certain video that's been released. It's not like they're gonna say "here's her being killed. Look familiar?"

I've reluctantly been in many churches and at least around here (Oklahoma and Texas) if it's not in a strip mall, they have cameras everywhere.

 

[texasgirl2]

I think they have video of him going to hide somewhere, lying in wait for her.

It occurs to me, maybe he opened those doors to create places that he could hide behind and grab her as she passed.

I think people in the criminal justice system are completely familiar with the motivations and behaviours associated with various types of crimes. There's nothing new under the sun when you spend your life studying and interacting with criminals, they follow certain patterns just like people do in other areas of life.

Someone just there to vandalize the church as part of a fantasy role play would have run away when she came in - they wouldn't have known, for example, that she was alone.

To me, the person doesn't know about the cameras. If they did they would have moved faster and been flustered/awkward. I see no self consciousness, but of course that's just personal interpretation. People had widely varying interpetations of Elisa Lam's behaviour on the elevator camera.

This is what I think (today) as well, Satchie. That LE has footage of the perp lying in wait for Missy and that's how they are sure that she was the target.

Only problem I have with believing that theory today is that it brings up more questions about how the perp knew what room she would be in and how the campers were able to find her so fast (if they did in fact, find her fast). I feel like I'm going in circles here but something just keeps bugging me about this line of reasoning.

I'm glad we are thinking along the same lines because I have never believed this was vandalism or robbery. I just wanted to show with my devil's advocate posts that some things can be explained another way. So, how did LE know FOR SURE that she was targeted. What did they see at the church that didn't have any other explanation but that she was targeted?

For me, it was the perp lying in wait for Missy. Knowing exactly what room she was going to walk into and being there, waiting.

 

[Dushi]

Good morning Montjoy,

Police have not said Missy's attack was targeted. This is a rumor that has grown legs.

http://www.fox4news.com/news/126278594-story

"Investigator agreed the murder certainly has elements of a targeted attack. They haven’t yet ruled out an interrupted burglary, though. Although nothing was taken at the church, several windows and doors were broken and police have recovered tools the suspect used to bust the glass."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fitness-t...002259586.html

"Sunday, about nine hours before her body was discovered — advertised that she would be at the church early Monday for her regular fitness class, causing police to consider if Bevers was targeted."


http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Mid...376770941.html

And, at Midlothian Police Department's last press conference Asst Chief Kevin Johnson said "at this point everything is on the table. We simply don't know. All we know is we want to find the killer responsible whether it's one person, two persons, three persons, male or female."

I agree with you, however there is one report out there that states a "source" told the news station....
I always have trouble with unnamed sources but that was very obviously not the way many people felt about it
I will TRY and find it


Found it

Sources tell News 8 that investigators are certain that Bevers was the target, and did not stumble into a burglary gone bad. They further believe that the scene was staged to make it look like there had been a burglary.


http://www.11alive.com/news/crime/sources-police-believe-slain-midlothian-mom-was-targeted/155221632

 

[Satchie]

Did someone say that LE knew when the suspect left and how he/she left the scene?

In the first press conference Q&A they said apparently left immediately, by the same door they came in.

 

[texasgirl2]

BBM

Excellent ideas!

It doesn't seem that LE wants our help

BBM: I know! And I don't understand why?! I watch Criminal Minds every single week....you would think that they could use me for something!