TX - Unidentified victims of Dean Corll, Houston Serial Killer, 1970-1973

I am always amazed that this serial killer is hardly talked about. The newest book out that I read a week ago, swimsuit boy is another confirmed victim, Branch? It reminds me of the Connecticut circus fire. I can see due to that state of remains a victim being misidentified.
I could not agree more. This case is largely forgotten and obscure because the primary perpetrator and mastermind was killed before his crimes were uncovered and the incompetence of the HPD was laid bare so it was closed as far as the search for victims is concerned as soon as the record was surpassed. And yes, Henley and Brooks paid for Corll's crimes as well as their own.

If you look at the two crudely drawn maps of the boat shed, both show a suspiciously desolate semicircle in the lower right. It is pretty obvious given the developments revealing Donald John Falcon's arm bones being buried close to Victim 12 that the remainder of his body is still there and probably at least one other.

In my opinion, based on everything I have read, Corll killed at least forty victims. As for the ID of Victim 16 as Branch, that is still not definite as retained samples were used to make that conclusion and the crude and disrespectful way the bodies were unearthed meant appendages and bones in overlapping and multiple graves meant sections of victims' bones were mixed with others'. Still, the original autopsy report for Victim 12 originally estimated his age to be between 22 and 24, whereas Branch was 18.
 

Attachments

  • Boatshed.webp
    Boatshed.webp
    27.6 KB · Views: 13
So you think some anecdotal insights are valuable but that it's unwise to come to a well thought out conclusion (for example Henley's SA at Corll's hands) with other anecdotal information?

I came to believe Henley participated in the sexual torture through these quotes from Ramsland's book: Henley said he did what Corll told him to do. He’d tell police later about electric shocks to genitals, the insertion of glass tubes into penises, pulling pubic hair, and other painful acts. “I did these things because Dean wanted me to do them. He’d direct me, ‘try this,’ ‘try that.’ I usually did [it but] didn’t do it again.”

“All the things that people refer to as torture [in this case], that was all Dean getting me to do this stuff. ‘Try this. Try that.’ The glass rod was a thing. It did not produce the results Dean wanted. The pubic hair pulling happened as a coercion technique. It was more ‘If you don’t mind me, this will happen.’ Once he got me to do any of it, he’d move on. But I didn’t always do it." —However, this is vague and confusing, especially considering before seeing Ramsland admit that it was Henley's idea to burn Scott with incense cones, I assumed it was Corll. I confess this was just a morbid curiosity of mine, but I don't understand why people are okay taking some things Henley said at face value and not others if it's inconvenient.

Also, do you not think Brooks torturing animals and either accomplices displaying antisocial tendencies prior to meeting Corll is relevant, or do you think any teenager could've been in their place and an accomplice if they had met Corll?

In Ramsland's book Henley said he strangled Scott to unconsciousness, not to death, because he was too exhausted to complete the murder and Corll had to finish it.

Questions I'd like your insight on: Did you find out Brooks was distressed at the physical state of Lawrence through Lise's book or elsewhere? Do you think it's possible he wanted to or was actively trying to procure female victims?

Disclaimer: My first comments on the sub to you were stolen from Mariatcc on reddit because I wanted to see what you thought about it (you're probably more objective than most on this subject).
All the media attention focused on Henley as he killed Corll and spilled the beans, and kept talking whereas Brooks was taciturn, reticent and self-absolving i what he selectively revealed. He knew way more than Henley (whom I agree with when he said he felt like the "third wheel" around Corll and Brooks). It is interesting that Corll kept supplying money to Brooks over the years, as well as a room, whereas after the 1st victim procured, Henley saw little or no money for each abduction, had to continue to work at the gas station and sell drugs for income, and was never given a room and board by comparison.

Brooks was not distressed at any of the crimes; he dissociated from them. (Again, he was cunning in minimizing his participation.) Before my YT channel was shut down years ago someone commented on a video I uploaded reciting his confession calling his claims to never have committed murder or participated in torture "grade A bull". The guy said Brooks's mother "practiced tough love until it killed her son inside" and he would trap frogs, turn his bike upside down, and torture them by running their limbs through the chain and pedal cog slowly and the only time he recalled seeing pleasure on his face was observing the frog's torture.

As for girls, Henley attracted them, whereas Brooks was socially awkward. Wherever teenage girls congregate, boys will be sniffing around. That is probably an aspect in the value Corll saw in him. Henley had no need to abduct a girl for sex. According to Rhonda, he collected panties of neighborhood girls he'd had sex with, including hers. Apart from Bridget, he had not had many (or any) other conquests, so he would have wanted to abduct girls, but Henley was not willing
 
And there's the mystery. He's really the only guy who ever claimed Brooks was particularly sadistic, and there were no other signs of violence from Brooks (compared to Henley's during the murders). Henley barely talks abt Brooks participation but claims he wanted to abduct girls (painting Brooks in a bad light), which makes me think he wasn't as hands on in the torture and murders. He still participated obviously but I don't think it was as sadistic as the things Henley did. I saw the comment from that YT and it could all be bull. I saw another claim from an old friend of Brooks that said he was good-natured and intelligent but after meeting Corll he became colder and his mom wouldn't let him hang out with Brooks anymore. Behavioral issues like animal cruelty aren't as uncommon in abused kids either, especially in that era. It's not like the claim said Brooks set cats on fire, the type of animal cruelty he supposedly did was done by me too. Other kids participated and watched in his supposed behavior, so it seems unfair to just label Brooks a bad apple because of that. There's a reason minors can't be diagnosed with antisocial personality, many of them display antisocial tendencies that don't define them later enough to be part of a disorder as an adult.

Rhonda's been known to exaggerated and outright fabricate accounts in later eyes. I don't think she was a bad person but she was exploitative of the situation. She claimed that she and Kerley were tortured for hours by Corll which was a lie and also claimed Henley said he wanted to shoot her that day, then claimed he told her that years later. She also described their relationship as a sibling-type thing in earlier accounts, as did Henley. Henley never claimed to have had sex with Rhonda and said that he didn't even date or sleep around all that much. In other words, he was popular with girls but hardly a womanizer. It's in the Vargas letters, he and Rhonda were friends but didn't hang out all that much, she would just call him when she needed him.

The drug deal grudge over the Cobble and Jones double murder also doesn't make sense. As far as I can tell, Henley never said anything like that and it looked like they were chosen because of the argument Henley had with Jones, unfortunately.

And I don't think the money Brooks got was specifically for the victims except the Corvette, it was just part of his weird relationship with parent/child relationship with Corll.
I think what can be deduced by Corll's evident treatment of his "minions" by comparison to each other can lead us all to how Corll viewed and utilized each. (And both stated not only the Dallas syndicate but that Corll murdered without either of them participating - this seemingly aside from the Syndicate.)

I am not relying on anything Vargas wrote or proffered in my messages, just what Rhonda said personally. As for Cobble and Jones, you can listen to Olsen (1974), Hollandsworth (2011) or others to take your pick.
 
I don't recall Olsen or Hollandsworth claiming those two were killed bc of a drug deal, tho Jones was known to rip ppl off. Did Rhonda say anything about Brooks? Why is she so sympathetic to Henley despite the things he did, including to her own fiancee? It's weird bc sometimes she tries to paint him in a bad light and other times she doesn't. I wasn't expecting the part where she claimed they had sex (or the panty thing). If it's true, then I'm surprised she believes his version of events abt Frank Aguirre's death.
It makes sense to me that she was sympathetic to Henley - he saved her life whatever way you look at it. Her reactions and alternating moods and attitudes are the result of psychological/emotional trauma. She may be selective in memories but it certainly wasn't for the limelight as she has been vilified too.
 
I am always amazed that this serial killer is hardly talked about. The newest book out that I read a week ago, swimsuit boy is another confirmed victim, Branch? It reminds me of the Connecticut circus fire. I can see due to that state of remains a victim being misidentified.
Or was it Swimsuit Boy and Rusty Branch's remains were mixed up and they sent SB's to the Branch's by mistake?
 
The new book is arguing that Swimsuit Boy is Branch. You are correct that two families got the wrong remains. I want to say one of the families that got the wrong remains were the Waldrop family? This I believe was not covered in the newest book, I could be wrong. I own the older books and the most recent book.
 
The new book is arguing that Swimsuit Boy is Branch. You are correct that two families got the wrong remains. I want to say one of the families that got the wrong remains were the Waldrop family? This I believe was not covered in the newest book, I could be wrong. I own the older books and the most recent book.
The two families were the Baulch family (who identified Roy Bunton as Michael Baulch and buried him under the wrong name in '73, and the Scott family, who cremated the body of Steven Ferdig-Sickman as their son in 1994
 
<modsnip: Quoted post was removed>

Brooks and Henley are imo psychopaths. Henley is still alive. Has he given valuable information in all those years?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
This thread was pulled so I could clean it up. Two members arguing back and forth, making personal posts, and taking over the discussion with numerous massive posts that at times had nothing to do with questions being asked by other members. I suspect AI is being used to make many of these posts.
If it happens again, you will be removed from the thread.
 
Let's not get this twisted, she told Henley's narrative just as Olsen told Brook's narrative. Both are largely uncorroborated as neither agree on much and the only other person who can give his version was killed. I'd agree Ramsland's book is better and Olsen may have included some sensationalist newspaper accounts but the crux of each of their versions rely on a largely unsubstantiated story from an unreliable person with reason to lie.
It's weird you've made all these posts with such confidence when they're virtually all based on misinformation. It honestly doesn't seem like you've looked into the case at all, you seem to have half-read and distorted all the facts and narratives. Very anti critical thinking.

Almost all the books on the case have misinformation and/or lead you into misleading territory, playing very fast and loose with the reality. Jack Olsen's book was almost completely anecdotal and he made a couple of mistakes in his book when compared to the reality of the HMM. Gurwell and Lise Olsen's book contained outright fabrications. Gurwell claimed Henley killed Corll because he made fun of his inability to get an erection and rape Rhonda. Lise further messes up the timeline and claims Henley was involved in way more murders than he was (he participated in 13) and claimed Rhonda was Henley's girlfriend. Rhonda had a brief fling with Henley prior to dating her fiancee and they were just friends primarily. Henley had a girlfriend during the killings (and Aguirre's death). Ramsland on the other hand, clears up the timeline of the murders and a few of the misconceptions about the case. She was overly sympathetic to Henley sure, with a few questionable phrasings, but what you're suggesting is bordering on ludicrous. Ramsland reported the facts of the case clinically (as another commenter said) and was the only one that treated the psychological dynamics and grooming aspects of the case as important. Her assessment as a professional forensic psychologist was plausible and well-reasoned. However, you seem to have cleaned all the wrong things from her book. Henley was a willing interview participant so obviously it contained his point of view. You make it sound as if she took Henley at face value, an idea you could only believe if you can't properly read. Henley's original statements had errors and are not completely reliable because he was so high on drugs at the time. LE submitted doctored reports about there hour-long talks with Henley only after a Grand Jury complained (weeks later, no doubt to better serve official narratives). All this could explain the contradictions in the Henley-centric narrative provided in Ramsland's book. This isn't a Henry Lee Lucas type case like you're implying. In short, the inconsistencies could be due to a number of different things, all equally plausible, such as bad memories or in fact outright lying. Who's to say for sure? Ramsland does address the contradictions—though in a more roundabout way. She also never spent any time on the conspiracy theory that Brooks wanted to torture girls (which was revealed to be a lie through the recent Vargas letters recently). She spent less than two sentences on that, and only because she was quoting Henley (which was clear in the text) and a woman who corresponded with him. Her thoughts on Brooks didn't come from Henley at all but Brooks own statements. Overall she wasn't wrong. Henley took more responsibility and was more accepting of facing consequences than Brooks. In his statements he was incredibly cold and callous. However, since there is less known abt him, it's easy to interpret his behavior in a dark way, the same was constantly done to Henley before the Serial Killer's Apprentice cleared things up. But either way, Brooks role tends to always gets minimized in this debacle, so it was refreshing to see someone look at him more objectively. Olsen's book did not use his narrative, no book did, for either him or Henley. Henley was the only one who got to say his own narrative, I have no idea where you spun that idea from. Brooks statements to cops are basically the only thing ever quoted by him, and they're too short to be a "version" of anything. He was far more self-serving and quiet about his role. I wouldn't necessarily say he threw Henley under the bus (or vice versa) though. He said Henley was sadistic, which was true by Henley's own admission. That was basically all he said, and by then Henley was already doomed so does it even matter? Henley as a matter of fact covered for Brooks and didn't mention him in his first statements to police, not until after Brooks made his own statements. The only thing he said 'attacking him' was the claim about the girls, which has since been debunked. There were already rumors like that floating around by ppl making baseless claims, so I suppose you could say Henley was just mining the streak. Another delusion by you is that Ramsland and Henley himself paint him as simply a victim, when Henley would be the first to admit his guilt. Henley may lie about this and that but on the whole no one can say he was sparing himself. He admitted to many damning things in his narrative, I wouldn't call it blatantly self-serving—at least no more than the average person. Ramsland expands on this over here in a way: Revising My Ideas About a Kid Who Killed

And while the truth of what exactly happened during the murders themselves, both accomplice statements taken individually help fill in the blanks, as do the torture devices found at Corll's home and the autopsy reports. From these, as well as corroborating witness reports and dates of dissappearances, we can get a rough picture of the relative truth. We can call this 'pure conjecture" but it's really the best way to know what happened in any murder case. Understanding the perpetrators character also doesn't hurt. We do know lots of stuff about the three perpetrators, it's hardly "all unknown."

Marty Jones and Henley were seen arguing at a restaurant, it's in Ramsland's book. Johnny Reyna saw the three together before there dissappearance. I don't understand the point you're trying to make though, you and @Bored_To_Death thoughts were not mutually exclusive. It's not uncommon for serial killers to kill people they dislike but I wouldn't call it personal hitman use in this case because Henley directly tortured and killed some victims. He admitted to showing initiative in this, it's not exactly a secret. My point being, he didn't just give Jones and Cobble to Corll, he tortured them both himself and admitted to killing Cobble and helping strangle Jones to death. None of that reads as using a personal hitman, Henley did the job himself. Brooks did the same thing to the Harvey boy. What's particularly shocking abt this? Obviously it's horrible but it's nothing out of the norm for murderers. All it shows (aside from their depravity) is that Henley and Brooks used their situation with Corll to their advantage, which is hardly a secret. How was the other commenter's reading generous lol? No one is saying the accomplices aren't culpable as hell. You're very obsessed with looking at the case in a simplistic way, omitting any other possibilities.

Henley didn't being Rhonda there to rape her, @Bored_To_Death got that correct. It was to protect her from her dad and keep Corll from making a move on Kerley. It's literally mentioned at Henley's trial. Henley and Brooks would bring girls there for that purpose occasionally. Ramsland makes a good case for this in her book which I'm certain you half-read. It's also not a secret what Henley and Corll talked abt privately, it's in Henley's first statement. Corll was outraged that Henley brought a girl (Rhonda was there too early) and Henley was too stupid to notice the dangerousness of that statement. Corll mentioned this again while handcuffing Henley. Rhonda has embellished abt this case a lot, but she's also made statements that were harmful to Henley (him telling her he had a feeling Aguirre was dead) so I don't know what you're once again going on abt. I think she has a right to feel however she wants about Henley. The idea that she called him a hero and campaigned for his release is a fabrication. Yes she defended him, but she didn't lie for him. She actually later claimed Henley told her he thought abt shooting her in the head that night, in case he couldn't save her. Jack Olsen's account of the catsup was factually wrong. You can read what actually happened on Wikipedia (sources are linked). Btw, Tim Kerley was asked for his pov by the same journalists who wrote Rhonda's later version of events, and he never refuted her claims. You seem to have all your facts completely mixed up. All you have are wild theories. You also seem to be implying that Henley and Brooks were in this back and forth battle of arguing with each other, when in fact they barely spoke after getting arrested.

Henley also isn’t campaigning for parole Myra Hindley style, he seems to be going with the flow. Chances of him getting out are low and he knows it. Doesn't even go to the hearings sometimes. He didn't even request compassionate release like the media portrayed it. Matter of fact, investigators were impressed with his stoic acceptance of his fate after his arrest, according to Jack Olsen's book.
 
Thread is closed.

Check back tomorrow or some later date.
 
ADMIN NOTE:

Do not Report "misinformation" to Moderators. Misinformation is not a violation of TOS; it is something that needs to be worked out between members through respectful discussion and with links to support what you claim or to refute why you disagree.

With thousands of case threads, our few Moderators are not in a position to know, nor do they have time to research the intricacies of each case. That is up to members to sort out the facts.

Personalizing and disrespect toward other members is not allowed. If you wish to remain in this discussion, be courteous and post in accordance with our rules or there will be a temporary or permanent loss of posting privileges.

Also, multiple accounts are not allowed. Members found to have more than one account will have all accounts removed.

Thread remains closed for review.
 

*"It was kind of a cold, and kind of a misty, damp night," remembers Harold Nassif, a former Pasadena Detective Sergeant who investigated the case. "Since it had been raining, Mr. O'Bryan had a raincoat on. Unbeknownst to his friends who he was with, he had the pixie sticks shoved up the sleeves of his raincoat."

Ronald O'Bryan gave pixie sticks to five children, including two of his own. His 8-year-old son, Timothy, asked for one first.

"He said the boy responded after he ate some of it that it was very bitter and didn't taste right," Nassif said.

 
From: The Rules: Dealing with your fellow posters

Any time a group of people get together there are bound to be disagreements. This forum is no exception. We are in no position to tell you what to think of ideas you see expressed here, but in our Terms of Service we do lay out the rules about how you can post here.

Our members are always expected to be respectful toward other members. That means no ridiculing, no snarky comments, and no personalizing. If there is a fellow poster whose thoughts you are unable to even read without losing your composure, your "Ignore List" is your friend. When you put a poster on this list, the following will happen:


  • You will not see their posts;
  • They will not be able to send you PMs;
  • They will not be able to send you email vial the Board links;
  • They will not be able to leave you visitor messages.

By all means if someone is violating TOS use the "Report" link (at the bottom of a post) to let us know. But if you are thinking of sending the staff a PM or email because a certain poster:
  • Will not answer your questions;
  • Will not back up their opinions to your satisfaction;
  • Will not change their mind no matter how obvious things are to everyone else.

Please, consider adding them to your ignore list. NOTE: Do NOT post a message saying you are doing so, that's a TOS violation by you. Put them on the list and be happy.

Misinformation

Mods are not sitting in each and every one of the thousands of WS case discussions to know the fine details of every single case. They do not have time to research whether what you say is true or what the other member says is true. If you believe something is misinformation, please don't use the Report feature to complain about it. Work it out through respectful discussion on the thread. Just post why you feel something is incorrect and provide links to back up what you believe is the correct information.
 
Thread is open again but if the bickering resumes, there will be a loss of posting privileges, either temporary or permanent.
 

Staff online

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
106
Guests online
4,297
Total visitors
4,403

Forum statistics

Threads
622,930
Messages
18,458,177
Members
240,214
Latest member
Roonie91
Back
Top