Uh, oh.....girlfriend in Florida confirmed by NO

[PolkSaladAnnie]

np, Polka

OK ... I have to dash downstairs and commence making & freezng my minced lamb/mint/herbs mini meat-balls (absolutely GORGEOUS in warmed chutney with an added tblspn of honey and a pinch of mild chilli as a sweet-chilli sticky dip) for my Christmas Dinner party on 21 December. 12 people.

Been another great time with ya'all. Night Floh! Loved Christmas in Munich one year. So picturesque, the atmosphere was great ...

(See, Nicole ... told yah I'm the *baddie*).

Night all - God Bless. Don't forget the CuddleSocks where you are - cos MAMA!!! It's cold outside...!

 

[Nicole_LongIsland]

An excellent first post such as yours needs no apology, Nicole! i'm thilled you're here, welcome.

so not only has this woman lived in Raleigh and been friends with MY and JY as a couple - along with her husband - her friendship with MY could very possibly go back as far as schooldays?

my goodness, that is extraordinary, if so. that the betrayal could run so very deep. both also have children the same age, i wonder if the children are more or less exactly the same age and they shared time during their pregnancies together.

i'll go further and wonder if the son Michelle Young was carrying was Jason's first son at all?

can you imagine if Michelle Money's boy were, in fact, Jason's? and Michelle Young found out? and the argument which may have ensued? :waitasec:

I found something to confirm my thought that M. Fisher knew Michelle Money / Sauter before their days at North Carolina University:
http://frictionpowered.blogspot.com/


Well, it appears that these two Michelle's may have been "friends" going back to college, if not even further back than that. Michelle Money has former addresses in Raleigh, NC, as well as Port Jefferson, NY -- just a hop, skip and jump from the Fishers' hometown of Sayville.


pretty good blog, imo

 

[Floh]

I found something to confirm my thought that M. Fisher knew Michelle Money / Sauter before their days at North Carolina University:
http://frictionpowered.blogspot.com/


Well, it appears that these two Michelle's may have been "friends" going back to college, if not even further back than that. Michelle Money has former addresses in Raleigh, NC, as well as Port Jefferson, NY -- just a hop, skip and jump from the Fishers' hometown of Sayville.


pretty good blog, imo

There's more to this connection with Michelle Money to come, i expect. quite what, i have no idea.

yes. an interesting blog.

 

[Bobbisangel]

Here is some information about what was siezed under warrant from Michelle Money:


http://rdu.news14.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=95849

"In the search warrant released Wednesday, deputies discovered Jason Young had a relationship with Michelle Money of Ocoee, Florida and they had communicated for the past three months. Money confirmed that she talked to him on the phone or via email almost daily. A search warrant was conducted in her home.
During the search, investigators seized an external hard drive that was connected to Money's laptop. According to the warrant, the external hard drive belongs to Elizabeth Schroff, who was present during the search warrant. She confirmed the hard drive had pictures of the victim, Michelle Young. Schroff said she was going to compile a scrapbook of the victim."


A scrapbook - sounds sick to me. JMO

Is this Elizabeth a friend of Michelle Money? If so, why in the world would she want to compile a scrapbook of the victim? She didn't even know her did she?
I have a hard time believing that b.s. Kind of morbid I think.

 

[Bobbisangel]

Elizabeth was a close friend and sorority sister of MY and MM. They were working on a scrapbook for Cassidy as I reported many, many, many posts ago in one of the earlier threads.

Just dropped in and wow, a bombshell. I have MANY thoughts and can actually talk about some of them now that they have been reported. Gotta run for a few hours but WILL be back to discuss in a bit.

So Michelle Young, Elizabeth, and Michelle Money all went to college together? They were all friends then? This is just unreal. I wonder if Michelle Money believes that Jason murdered Michelle? She did know that Jason Young was married to someone that had been her friend a one time if not currently. That is some kind of friend. I wonder what Elizabeth thinks about this affair that Michelle M and Jason were having. Making a scrapbook for Cassidy! I believe that it is a good idea to make copies of all of the newspaper articles and putting them into plastic slips in a book but a family member should do that...not the dad's girlfriend and her friend. Therapists recommend doing this so that the child can read the articles when they are a lot older of course.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I have been thinking (may already be posted but whew! sometimes these get long, hard to read it all) Anyway, he may have gone to the back where there is rumor of a trailer park behind the woods in their backyard parked his car, waited for her guest to leave and crept up from the back of the house. I just saw it on t.v again, he even looks like a creep (could just be me, though) As much as I cannot not feel sympathy for ISP parents, at least in the beginning they were going public with Laci's family, though this is alittle different as she is not missing but they could still go public together regarding locating any info to the possible killer.

I can't figure out why the press isn't hounding MM and her husband and what could her husband be thinking?!? Sure has been quite other than general info about them.

I wonder of Michelle Money's husband knew Michelle and Jason? If her husband didn't know about the affair before...he does now. Is he sticking with her? I heard on one of the shows that Michelle Money turned up at Michelle's service! That woman has some BIG ones if you ask me. That says a lot about her. How could she even show her face there without guilt written all over it?

I don't see what Michelle the wife...who was beautiful...and Michelle the girlfriend saw in Jason Young. He sure isn't anything to look at.

 

[Bobbisangel]

Search warrant 13 November 2006 - this warrant relates to the Compaq Presario computer located in the Young home. This computer was connected to the printer in which the print out was found that MF was asked to retrieve.

There is a bit of interesting wording here:

"The victim's sister came to the house to retrieve a document, which was on the printer, located next to the computer. The document had been printed from the computer the hours before the victim's death was discovered."

This warrant also includes examination of communications programs on the computer - seems to me that LE will be able to discover; one if the computer had the ability to receive a remote fax; if so what time that fax was received and at what time it was printed; as well as the source of the transmission. JY boy better hope like heck all of that is accountable for and it doesn't show this fax being printed in the middle of the night or being downloaded from a website in the middle of the night. I would assume being a salesman, the computer would be configured to do such, the timing and the transmission source might be very interesting however. Just messing around as I have tired of the girl friend story already.

On Nancy Grace it was said that the fax was sent two hours before Michelle was murdered. If that is correct then Michelle could have found it and read it. I would love to know what was on that fax. Wasn't it supposed to be something that Jason didn't want Michelle to read? Wasn't that why Jason said he called Michelle's sister and asked her to go pick up the fax? I wonder what the sister was supposed to tell Michelle and how was she supposed to pick up the fax without Michelle knowing?

I think Jason called the sister to go over to the house because he wanted her to find Michelle and to pick up the baby as he knew that she was there alone with her dead mom. Not that he cared because if he had he wouldn't have murdered that baby's mother.

 

[close_enough]

On Nancy Grace it was said that the fax was sent two hours before Michelle was murdered. If that is correct then Michelle could have found it and read it. I would love to know what was on that fax. Wasn't it supposed to be something that Jason didn't want Michelle to read? Wasn't that why Jason said he called Michelle's sister and asked her to go pick up the fax? I wonder what the sister was supposed to tell Michelle and how was she supposed to pick up the fax without Michelle knowing?

I think Jason called the sister to go over to the house because he wanted her to find Michelle and to pick up the baby as he knew that she was there alone with her dead mom. Not that he cared because if he had he wouldn't have murdered that baby's mother.

YIKES!!...was this on Nancy Grace last night???..i've read/heard nothing about the timing for this document, except "the hours before the discovery of Michelle's death"....heck, we don't even know for sure when Michelle was murdered...

 

[raisincharlie]

On Nancy Grace it was said that the fax was sent two hours before Michelle was murdered. If that is correct then Michelle could have found it and read it. I would love to know what was on that fax. Wasn't it supposed to be something that Jason didn't want Michelle to read? Wasn't that why Jason said he called Michelle's sister and asked her to go pick up the fax? I wonder what the sister was supposed to tell Michelle and how was she supposed to pick up the fax without Michelle knowing?

I think Jason called the sister to go over to the house because he wanted her to find Michelle and to pick up the baby as he knew that she was there alone with her dead mom. Not that he cared because if he had he wouldn't have murdered that baby's mother.

Bobbisangel,

I don't think I would take NG too seriously about what time that "fax" was sent at this point. The search warrants don't seem to reflect that and none of the local media has reported it so I would wait it out to find out when that was printed. NG gets a bit confused at times because she doesn't always properly prepare herself with facts before she opens mouth. :crazy:

Your last paragraph I think is spot on !

 

[close_enough]

Bobbisangel,

I don't think I would take NG too seriously about what time that "fax" was sent at this point. The search warrants don't seem to reflect that and none of the local media has reported it so I would wait it out to find out when that was printed. NG gets a bit confused at times because she doesn't always properly prepare herself with facts before she opens mouth. :crazy:

Your last paragraph I think is spot on !

whew, i was like WHAT????....course maybe NG somehow got some kind of 'scoop', BUT whoaaaaa....

OH, now that i'm talking 'scoop'...did anyone notice on Greta's show the other night, when she happened to bring up the area behind the Young's home????....she even mentioned the possibility of someone coming up to the house from behind, beyond the wooded area....i thought, hmmmmm to myself...wondered if SHE'S heard a lil something.....(i'm stuck on this delivery person again, ugh)

 

[raisincharlie]

whew, i was like WHAT????....course maybe NG somehow got some kind of 'scoop', BUT whoaaaaa....

OH, now that i'm talking 'scoop'...did anyone notice on Greta's show the other night, when she happened to bring up the area behind the Young's home????....she even mentioned the possibility of someone coming up to the house from behind, beyond the wooded area....i thought, hmmmmm to myself...wondered if SHE'S heard a lil something.....(i'm stuck on this delivery person again, ugh)

Close,

I don't think I will be too suspicious if the document was indeed printed out 2 hours before MY was found. The only thing about time I would find suspicious is if it was printed prior to 10:30 pm on Thursday.

I think wht will become more important is how it was printed. was it printed by remote keystroke (through PC anywhere sofware for example) or was it printed through key stroke directly at the computer ( this key stroke would make the time rather important). This is what I am more curious about. Computer forensics should be able to determine this.

 

[close_enough]

welcome Nicole

 

[close_enough]

Close,

I don't think I will be too suspicious if the document was indeed printed out 2 hours before MY was found. The only thing about time I would find suspicious is if it was printed prior to 10:30 pm on Thursday.

I think wht will become more important is how it was printed. was it printed by remote keystroke (through PC anywhere sofware for example) or was it printed through key stroke directly at the computer ( this key stroke would make the time rather important). This is what I am more curious about. Computer forensics should be able to determine this.

right, right....i'm going to say it was printed prior to 10:30 pm Thursday....only because i think it was simply used to get Meredith to the house...it was in the planning, imo.....

 

[otto]

I keep pondering why I dont find the girlfriend angle as a major factor in the case. I guess it's because so many questions have brought up about this.

Michelle and Michelle had been friends for over 10 years, maybe more. Jason and Michelle had been married for 1/2 of that time. And we're are suppose to believe that within the last 3 months MM and JY started having a hot romance which gave forth to daily calls and emails. Three months before she died was when Jason changed jobs. I don't know what to make of that - maybe coincidence, maybe not. And these two couples knew each other very well, the husband of MM living in Raleigh.

I'm wondering if these two couples had an on-going 4 some and suddenly things turned desperate for all if Michelle's unborn baby was not by Jason. Not slamming the victim, just trying to throw out a possibility, as the sudden hot romance between JY and MM after 5 years seems unusual.

Could it be that the two couples had fallen in love with the other couple, I mean switched partners? It does sound bizarre. We just don't know enough yet.

Scandi

Michelle Y is a financial accountant - a rather serious and dull degree. She has a young daughter and is trying to have another child. This just doesn't strike me as someone in the "swinging" lifestyle.

I wouldn't be surprised if the marital troubles in Money's marriage didn't spill over to the Youngs, with Michelle being the confidante helping her friend sort things out. Jason could have been the person that Money turned to more often, and maybe the two began commiserating about their boring, unhappy marriages. This could have led to the start of something between them.

 

[otto]

So Michelle Young, Elizabeth, and Michelle Money all went to college together? They were all friends then? This is just unreal. I wonder if Michelle Money believes that Jason murdered Michelle? She did know that Jason Young was married to someone that had been her friend a one time if not currently. That is some kind of friend. I wonder what Elizabeth thinks about this affair that Michelle M and Jason were having. Making a scrapbook for Cassidy! I believe that it is a good idea to make copies of all of the newspaper articles and putting them into plastic slips in a book but a family member should do that...not the dad's girlfriend and her friend. Therapists recommend doing this so that the child can read the articles when they are a lot older of course.

You are so right about the scrapbook, it would be like a letter written with a poisoned pen. Cassidy will grow up, and at some point she will feel a lot of anger towards the people responsible. If her dad murdered her mom, then she will most likely feel some anger towards him and anyone else that was remotely involved, including her dad's girlfriend. It almost seems like MM is living on another planet ... she already sees herself as Cassidy's surrogate parent and is doing parenting things for her. People that have affairs spend a lot of time sneaking around, living an imaginery or pretend life, and trying to trick people into not knowing what is going on. MM seems to still be in that mindset. If she is making a scrabook for Cassidy, then she is completely oblivious to her role in this tragedy and has no understanding of how Cassidy will perceive her in the future.

 

[close_enough]

i don't think that MM was involved w/this murder...just a feeling...i'll be shocked if we find out that she was....

 

[raisincharlie]

You are so right about the scrapbook, it would be like a letter written with a poisoned pen. Cassidy will grow up, and at some point she will feel a lot of anger towards the people responsible. If her dad murdered her mom, then she will most likely feel some anger towards him and anyone else that was remotely involved, including her dad's girlfriend. It almost seems like MM is living on another planet ... she already sees herself as Cassidy's surrogate parent and is doing parenting things for her. People that have affairs spend a lot of time sneaking around, living an imaginery or pretend life, and trying to trick people into not knowing what is going on. MM seems to still be in that mindset. If she is making a scrabook for Cassidy, then she is completely oblivious to her role in this tragedy and has no understanding of how Cassidy will perceive her in the future.

Otto,

Respectfully, and maybe because I do still believe there are good things in people, I think perhaps the opposite could be true with MM. Perhaps she does understand her position, she cannot apologize to Michelle or ever make ammends - all that is left is Cassidy. I for one can understand why she would pursue putting together a scrap book about MY for Cassidy to have and cherish. It actually makes sense to me - remorse. JMO

 

[otto]

i don't think that MM was involved w/this murder...just a feeling...i'll be shocked if we find out that she was....

I agree. I don't think that MM was directly involved, but she was "involved" with Jason knowing that her friend, Michelle Y, was pregnant; which is enough for me to consider that she was involved. She was deceiving her friend and definitely had her sights set on MY's husband.

 

[close_enough]

I agree. I don't think that MM was directly involved, but she was "involved" with Jason knowing that her friend, Michelle Y, was pregnant; which is enough for me to consider that she was involved. She was deceiving her friend and definitely had her sights set on MY's husband.

oh no doubt otto!...i agree completely...i would imagine a divorce will happen in this case for sure, for MM.....

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hi all,

FWIW ... I found this link - the Florida golf course where SM works ... scroll to bottom, his name is listed under the Manager's name ... has map, location, etc ...

http://www.golflink.com/golf-courses/golf-course.asp?course=1721