UK - 22 dead in explosion at Ariana Grande gig, Manchester, 22 May 2017 #1

[Jennifer17]

We don't know the identity ATM. I believe the mother and sister were reported to be in Libya but then so was the bomber.

I have read that the father was in Libya but the mother was still in the UK.

 

[KarenUK]

BBC confirms it due to leaks on case


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Not sure if this is classed as political, but here's a link to the BBC story

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40040210

 

[Shiressleuth]

That's right. People need to remember that the media wouldn't have this information at all if the leakers were doing their jobs properly and not leaking this information!!

Now it is out there it is done and can't be undone. It's a problem with electronic info I guess being so easy to share at the touch of a button.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I have missed a few pages, so please excuse me if this has been posted.

Brother of Manchester bombing suspect knew an attack was coming, Libyan official says






http://abcnews.go.com/International...ion-manchester-arena-attack/story?id=47602499

Can we prevent these bomb making manuals being available as I said earlier? Can we shut this stuff down? All very well censoring our swear words and nudity but allowing this is the real problem.

 

[Jennifer17]

Now it is out there it is done and can't be undone. It's a problem with electronic info I guess being so easy to share at the touch of a button.

I think is a problem when intelligence communities are so touch a button friendly that they can share other intel shared with them and publish it. There is not going to be a lot of intel shared with the US from now on.

 

[Shiressleuth]

rbbm.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...mi5-arrests-latest-news-updates-a7754486.html

Ok so mother has been arrested. ( sorry am catching up) What about sister? They were supposed to be in Libya I thought?

 

[gregjrichards]

"The Manchester Arena bomber, Salman Abedi, was in Dusseldorf about four days before the attack, according to German intelligence.

Sky's Crime Correspondent, Martin Brunt, said sources in the country believe Abedi was there "sometime around four days before the bombing".

"There's no clue to how long he was there, but it's an hour and a half flight direct from Manchester," Brunt added.

"It's thought he flew in from Manchester and flew back from Dusseldorf to Manchester

"It appears he wasn't on an international terror watch list, so was free to come and go, seemingly around Europe."

http://news.sky.com/story/manchester-bomber-in-germany-four-days-before-attack-10892107


Sky News is reporting the bomber was in Düsseldorf in Germany days before the attack before flying to the U.K. What was he doing there?

 

[Sarahlou]

It has just been announced on Good Morning Britain that there are reports Greater Manchester Police have stopped sharing information about the attack with the United States.

Good!! A shame it has to be like this.

So sad to see the teen couple died. The boy had recently lost his father too.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Well they might do that yet! Here's hoping!

Somehow I don't think they'd want it.

 

[margarita25]

Not sure if this is classed as political, but here's a link to the BBC story

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40040210

From above:

"Police investigating the Manchester Arena bomb attack have stopped sharing information with the US after leaks to the media, the BBC understands.

UK officials were outraged when photos appearing to show debris from the attack appeared in the New York Times.

It came after the name of bomber Salman Abedi was leaked to US media just hours after the attack, which killed 22 - including children - and injured 64.

Theresa May is to raise concerns with Donald Trump at a Nato meeting later.

Greater Manchester Police hopes to resume normal intelligence relationships - a two-way flow of information - soon but is currently "furious", the BBC understands."

 

[margarita25]

Not sure if this is classed as political, but here's a link to the BBC story

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40040210

Also from the above link:

"The force - which is leading the investigation on the ground - gives its information to National Counter-Terrorism, which then shares it across government and - because of the Five Eyes intelligence sharing agreement - with the US, Australia, Canada and New Zealand."

 

[KarenUK]

This may have already been posted but Wendy Fawell has been confirmed as one of the 22

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/wendy-fawell-manchester-terror-attack-10496756

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-manchester-40007967

 

[Shiressleuth]

Agreed. If someone has "clear ties" to a terror network, how come nothing can be done to stop such a person? Why the hell wouldn't they be on a no fly list? There should be measure that law enforcement and government can take to stop such a person. Communication with a terror group should be illegal, except in certain circumstances.

As far as other things that can be done, I think two things can be done at the community level:

One - we have to combat and speak out against racism and xenophobia. ISIS and groups like them love it when nations and people respond to such atrocities with suspicion and rage against entire groups of people, and with oppressive policies meant to ostracize whole groups based on the lunatic actions of a fringe few. Such attitudes and policies push alienated loners into fanaticism. It makes it easy for radicalism to lure them in, by creating an "us against them" mentality and giving these impotent losers a chance at feeling "power" no matter how despicable and fleeting that "power" might be, and it gives them vent for their petty little desires for revenge on a society they feel has rejected them. Note that many of these creeps are oddballs who are unable to maintain intimate or romantic relationships and are thus filled with rage, or who are socially inept and never able to fully integrate into any society. The lure of violent "warriors" who embrace them fully and appeal to their sense of "honor" and their fragile egos, is all the more great when the community promotes attitudes and laws meant to punish them not for their evil but for their nationality, religion, skin color or ethnic heritage, etc. So I firmly believe that in order to reduce the numbers of lunatics who embrace the insanity and evil of terror groups, we have to shower each other with love, acceptance and belonging. We have to show support to one another, talk with our neighbors, reach out to people who may be struggling or alone, stand up against bullying and bigotry. (This could help with mass shooter type situations as well).

Two - the religious Muslim community needs to develop a smarter attitude about this issue and communicate and educate themselves about what constitutes a red flag. For every religious community except the Amish, when a young person suddenly become super religious and quiet and studies the sacred text, after never having been that way, it is seen as a positive. Only the Amish seem to realize that that is not normal and can signify a real problem.

For Muslim communities, understanding that should be a priority.

When a young man suddenly becomes super conservative, quiet, ultra religious, secretive, his family and the community need to start asking questions, They need to find out where his head is at. What are his attitudes? They need to have frank conversations with young people like that, about radicalism and terror and how fanatics like ISIS are not of God, but are of the devil.

And if they suddenly get the urge to travel? That should merit some investigation and calls to whatever law enforcement agency is around in their country, to put them on national security radar.

From what I am reading this wasn't radicalization but was ingrained in the whole family. The father worked for Gaddaffi then came here as a refugee and they have links with Al Quaeda and Isis and were reportedly back in Tripoli working when arrested. Then there are the Libya links to the Tunisia attacks also where the majority of victims were British. Not sure all the inquests in those deaths have been completed yet. Seems like a complicated web and not a lone wolf.

 

[margarita25]

"Police hunting the terror network behind the Manchester Arena bombing have stopped passing information to the US on the investigation as a major transatlantic row erupted over leaks of key evidence in the US, according to a report.

The police, Downing Street and the Home Office refused to comment on the BBC report, but Theresa May will confront Donald Trump about the leaks - including crime scene photographs - when she meets him at a Nato summit in Brussels on Thursday.

The leaks included suggestions that bomber Salman Abedi's family had warned security officials he was dangerous."

Manchester bombing latest: Police stop sharing info with US after leaks as more victims named
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/25/manchester-arena-bombing-latest/

 

[Shiressleuth]

It isn't just that either. From what I have read the name of the suicide bomber was leaked to our press and then published in the US before the police in Manchester divulged it to anyone. By leaking the name prematurely it would alert anyone connected to the bomber giving them time to flee or hide out. It is a very dangerous disgusting game being played by the leakers and the MSM.

We have seen this dangerous leaking for almost a year now in our own country. The New York Times, and The Washington Post have been the worst to leak classified confidential information that easily could harm our own national security. These kind of MSM sites don't give one tinker's dam about being ethical or doing what is best for our country or any other country for that matter, and only care about having a breaking news story.

The media is now trusted even less than politicians. It is a serious issue now, and I hope it is swiftly dealt with and the leakers are committing criminal acts, and should all face harsh criminal punishment. IMO

Out of interest, who owns these two rags?

 

[Shiressleuth]

I don't blame the media. I blame whoever in the Intel community leaked it.

The media should know better.

 

[Shiressleuth]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4hwfZuhAR
"A brave aunt who 'shielded' her young niece from the deadly Manchester terror blast has died, MailOnline can reveal.
Just wondering how you can shield someone in a random bomb blast. To my mind it's not possible. I haven't read through all this thread and don't mean to cause offence, but wondering if others are finding the coverage of this attack and the attack itself difficult to believe? Moo

Earlier reports explained they were one behind the other . She died, the force of the explosion broke the jaw of her sister and both legs of her niece. I think it was inadvertent shielding. She took the full force sadly.

 

[Shiressleuth]

It has just been announced on Good Morning Britain that there are reports Greater Manchester Police have stopped sharing information about the attack with the United States.

I could not understand why they would be sharing it internationally anyway. Wouldn't that be the job of Mi6?

 

[Shiressleuth]

I have read that the father was in Libya but the mother was still in the UK.

Trouble is Jenn we don't know who is where with all the open borders and easy ways to come and go via bus, train, ferry etc. These people will travel where they are not tracked.

 

[OutlookLookout]

Out of interest, who owns these two rags?

Looks like Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos bought The Washington Post in 2013.

The NY Times has been owned by the same family since 1896, currently run by Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr.

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