UK - 22 dead in explosion at Ariana Grande gig, Manchester, 22 May 2017 #1

[ZaZara]

MANCHESTER SUICIDE BOMBER USED STUDENT LOANS AND BENEFITS TO FUND TERROR PLOT

Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...er-suicide-bomber-used-student-loan-benefits/

The Manchester suicide bomber used taxpayer-funded student loans and benefits to bankroll the terror plot, police believe.

Salman Abedi is understood to have received thousands of pounds in state funding in the run up to Monday’s atrocity even while he was overseas receiving bomb-making training.

Police are investigating Abedi’s finances, including how he paid for frequent trips to Libya where he is thought to have been taught to make bombs at a jihadist training camp.

Abedi’s finances are a major ‘theme’ of the police inquiry amid growing alarm over the ease with which jihadists are able to manipulate Britain’s welfare and student loans system to secure financing.

One former detective said jihadists were enrolling on university courses to collect the student loans “often with no intention of turning up”.

Abedi was given at least £7,000 from the taxpayer-funded Student Loans Company after beginning a business administration degree at Salford University in October 2015.

It is thought he received a further £7,000 in the 2016 academic year even though by then he had already dropped out of the course. Salford University declined to say if it had informed the Student Loans Company that Abedi’s funding should have been stopped.


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[katydid23]

MANCHESTER SUICIDE BOMBER USED STUDENT LOANS AND BENEFITS TO FUND TERROR PLOT

Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...er-suicide-bomber-used-student-loan-benefits/

The Manchester suicide bomber used taxpayer-funded student loans and benefits to bankroll the terror plot, police believe.

Salman Abedi is understood to have received thousands of pounds in state funding in the run up to Monday’s atrocity even while he was overseas receiving bomb-making training.

Police are investigating Abedi’s finances, including how he paid for frequent trips to Libya where he is thought to have been taught to make bombs at a jihadist training camp.

Abedi’s finances are a major ‘theme’ of the police inquiry amid growing alarm over the ease with which jihadists are able to manipulate Britain’s welfare and student loans system to secure financing.

One former detective said jihadists were enrolling on university courses to collect the student loans “often with no intention of turning up”.

Abedi was given at least £7,000 from the taxpayer-funded Student Loans Company after beginning a business administration degree at Salford University in October 2015.

It is thought he received a further £7,000 in the 2016 academic year even though by then he had already dropped out of the course. Salford University declined to say if it had informed the Student Loans Company that Abedi’s funding should have been stopped.
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They should IMMEDIATELY set up a system that checks attendance/grades with the university, and tells the student loan company when a student
drops out/fails.

Also, they should not give students such big lump sums at the start of school. JMO :cow:

 

[dotr]

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news...carry-out-new-raids-in-manchester-bomb-probe/

 

[61Montcalm]

I think the money in the account that was not touched for a year, means that someone or some organisation was financing it and it was not his money to spend until he was ready to carry out his mission.

I hope that our Security Police will seize anything in this account if that is the case. Not touched in a year already makes it look suspicious IMO.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I think the money in the account that was not touched for a year, means that someone or some organisation was financing it and it was not his money to spend until he was ready to carry out his mission.

Yes Jennifer. It seems that we are funding it. (The UK tax payer) So much for money laundering regs and funding terrorism.

 

[ZaZara]

BOMB FACTORY FOUND

Daily Mail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...er-bomber-making-bombs-sub-let-apartment.html

Evil suicide bomber Salman Abedi began building the device which killed 22 people in a 12th floor council flat, investigators now believe.

The 22-year-old killer sub-let a home in Somerton Court, in the Blackley area of the city, which was raided by armed police on Wednesday evening.

His landlord contacted police after seeing Abedi's name in the news, saying a strong smell of chemicals was left behind by his former tenant.

It emerged as police arrested two men aged 20 and 22 on suspicion of terror offences in connection with the Manchester bombing in the early hours of Saturday morning.

Salman Abedi, 22, is thought to have stockpiled peroxide at cousin's barber shop in Moss Side, Manchester

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Abedi had rented the flat in Blackley for around seven weeks. Mr Wafi thought his tenant had been 'into black magic', his business partner said.

Sure. How could he possibly have decided it might be something else?

:gaah:

 

[ZaZara]

Yes Jennifer. It seems that we are funding it. (The UK tax payer) So much for money laundering regs and funding terrorism.

Make that the European taxpayer. There have been cases of "refugees" who claim asylum in various countries and hop the borders regularly to collect benefits in every country. Same happens in Germany, where the system was (is?) so rigged that ppl may apply for asylum in neighbouring counties.
Mind you, this is only what has been discovered.

The Netherlands pays a whopping 80 million euros to Doctors Without Borders.
Doctors without Borders operates a ferry service that picks up 'migrants', mostly young uneducated men plus the occasional jihadist, 2 miles from the Libyan coast.
And brings them to Italy where they disappear into Europe without Borders.
Don't know how much other countries contribute to that noble cause.

The list is long and the authorities sleepwalk into disaster. Remember that every time you get a parking ticket for daring to overstay your welcome.

 

[gregjrichards]

Breaking News - U.K Prime Minister has just reduced the U.K terror threat level from critical to severe - Sky News

 

[Shiressleuth]

I am specifically talking about the Student Loan money (see previous link) which is funded out of UK taxes and is nothing to do with Europe.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Breaking News - U.K Prime Minister has just reduced the U.K terror threat level from critical to severe - Sky News

Thats good news. I hope it means they are confident they have shut this particular threat down. Will troops go back to barracks now?

 

[Shiressleuth]

Make that the European taxpayer. There have been cases of "refugees" who claim asylum in various countries and hop the borders regularly to collect benefits in every country. Same happens in Germany, where the system was (is?) so rigged that ppl may apply for asylum in neighbouring counties.
Mind you, this is only what has been discovered.

The Netherlands pays a whopping 80 million euros to Doctors Without Borders.
Doctors without Borders operates a ferry service that picks up 'migrants', mostly young uneducated men plus the occasional jihadist, 2 miles from the Libyan coast.
And brings them to Italy where they disappear into Europe without Borders.
Don't know how much other countries contribute to that noble cause.

The list is long and the authorities sleepwalk into disaster. Remember that every time you get a parking ticket for daring to overstay your welcome.

Do you have links?

 

[ZaZara]

Do you have links?

Of course I do.
For instance: The thread about the aftermath of the attack on the Berlin Christmas market is dedicated to this.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...mas-market-in-Berlin-9-dead-19-Dec-2016/page5

 

[skibaboo]

Ok Salman Abedi was a British born citizen. Lets not bring asylum seekers and refugees into it.

And the media. 'Council flat', 'student loan', 'benefits'

Millions of others are living in council flats, have student loans and are on benefits and they don't go blow people up.

We go round in circles every time looking where to place blame and I just wish the people in charge for a change spent that time and money on finding and addressing the true cause. The world revolves around money, even safety comes on a budget.

I have completely lost my point, sorry!

 

[Shiressleuth]

Of course I do.
For instance: The thread about the aftermath of the attack on the Berlin Christmas market is dedicated to this.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...mas-market-in-Berlin-9-dead-19-Dec-2016/page5

That is about a terrorist from Pakistan who posed as a refugee to get to Germany before committing that attack. Nothing to do with real refugees or Medicins sans Frontiers IMO. I agree its a problem security wise however, which all countries must resolve.

 

[Shiressleuth]

And we run the risk of straying into politics again.

The problem is criminals using false claims to fund their terrorist activity thereby commiting murderous acts.

Biting the hand that feeds springs to mind.

MOO

 

[gregjrichards]

Thats good news. I hope it means they are confident they have shut this particular threat down. Will troops go back to barracks now?

This Monday at midnight the troops are going to withdraw Sky News reported.

 

[Shiressleuth]

This Monday at midnight the troops are going to withdraw Sky News reported.

Yep I just heard that too on BBC radio. Also the fact that Heathrow and Gatwick flights have a problem with their computers logging flight details with the CAA so no flights today. Hopefully nothing to do with this topic but worrying all the same for all those crowds waiting around in airports. MOO.

Eta .BA flights only apparently

 

[Snick1946]

I had mentioned earlier in this thread that my son was in London on a college trip. He was scheduled to leave today on Delta #29 from Heathrow at 9 AM. Per the web site 'Flight Tracker' the plane was two hours late getting off. He is in US air space by now. He has a connecting flight from Atlanta but there was a five hour layover he wasn't looking forward to so no harm done. I will need to see what I can find about flight delays, it sounds like it was a real mess at Heathrow today. Not complaining, the UK is tough on security. I wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[dotr]

I had mentioned earlier in this thread that my son was in London on a college trip. He was scheduled to leave today on Delta #29 from Heathrow at 9 AM. Per the web site 'Flight Tracker' the plane was two hours late getting off. He is in US air space by now. He has a connecting flight from Atlanta but there was a five hour layover he wasn't looking forward to so no harm done. I will need to see what I can find about flight delays, it sounds like it was a real mess at Heathrow today. Not complaining, the UK is tough on security. I wouldn't have it any other way.

Glad to hear from you, had been wondering how things were going for your son, bet you guys are going to have lots to talk about when he gets home!
http://www.citynews.ca/2017/05/27/british-airways-cancels-flights-amid-major-systems-failure/

British Airways cancelled all flights from London’s Heathrow and Gatwick airports Saturday as a global IT failure causes severe disruption for travellers.

The airline said it was suffering a “major IT systems failure” around the world. It didn’t say what was causing the problem but said there is no evidence of a cyberattack.
BA said terminals at Heathrow and Gatwick had become extremely congested and cancelled all flights from those airports until 6 p.m. (1 p.m. EDT). It is urging passengers not to go to the airports.
According to Pearson International Airport’s website, Air Transat, WestJet and Emirates flights originating out of Gatwick and scheduled to arrive after 3 p.m. EDT are all delayed.

 

[Snick1946]

Glad to hear from you, had been wondering how things were going for your son, bet you guys are going to have lots to talk about when he gets home!
http://www.citynews.ca/2017/05/27/british-airways-cancels-flights-amid-major-systems-failure/

So the main reason for the delay wasn't terrorist related, instead a computer glitch with British airways. Glad he was booked with a US carrier! By the time he gets home here tonight he will have been up nearly twenty hours, unless he caught a nap on the flight. Any talking we do will probably be tomorrow. Thanks to all on here for your concern.