UK - Alesha MacPhail, 6, raped & murdered, Ardbeg, Isle of Bute, Scotland, 2 Jul 2018 -*arrest* #6

[TaylorCallum]

She must be a bit odd though aswell, I mean I’m interested in true crime but I don’t fantasise about murdering someone and how I’d get away with it like those two did, she suggested using a machete didn’t she? And he said “no it would be much more cunning” she needs to be kept a close eye on too id say.

Yeah, that is true. Although they were only 14 at the time. If he hadn't have done what he did, I would have probably dismissed what they said as just teenagers talking nonsense, but I do agree with what you're saying, maybe she isn't quite right either. Maybe they bonded because they were both a bit dark and shared these strange thoughts.

 

[Eve71]

She must be a bit odd though aswell, I mean I’m interested in true crime but I don’t fantasise about murdering someone and how I’d get away with it like those two did, she suggested using a machete didn’t she? And he said “no it would be much more cunning” she needs to be kept a close eye on too id say.

Yes she comes across as a but disturbed too. I’ve been interested in true crime for years but I’ve never felt the urge to harm anyone or even joke about it. If a friend was saying those things to me I’d be worried. Imo, he’d have been able to replicate Brady and lure some lovestruck female into his web had he the chance.

 

[Kikixxxx]

Yes she comes across as a but disturbed too. I’ve been interested in true crime for years but I’ve never felt the urge to harm anyone or even joke about it. If a friend was saying those things to me I’d be worried. Imo, he’d have been able to replicate Brady and lure some lovestruck female into his web had he the chance.

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[TaylorCallum]

I wonder if he spoke like that with his girlfriend? Maybe that was part of the reason they broke up. Or maybe it was nothing to do with that and he wasn't like that with her. I guess it's all just speculation.

 

[Yenriac]

Yes, that makes perfect sense. You might be right. But then I don't understand why he made up the "price on his head" thing? Do you think that was just to get more publicity? Or to make sure he had extra security in Polmont? I think it must have come from Aaron, yes.

I think he made it up because while he was anonymous he had that protection to a certain degree. When he realised there was a chance he would be named he panicked and came up with yet another lie.

 

[Kiranerys]

Yes she comes across as a but disturbed too. I’ve been interested in true crime for years but I’ve never felt the urge to harm anyone or even joke about it. If a friend was saying those things to me I’d be worried. Imo, he’d have been able to replicate Brady and lure some lovestruck female into his web had he the chance.

There's a chilling thought!

 

[Eve71]

I never thought about that. You could be right. I would really like to know how his (ex)girlfriend perceived him. If she thought he was cold and distant or if she thought their relationship was genuine and he actually cared about her. Obviously, at the time I assume she thought it was real but I wonder what she thinks now in hindsight.



Yeah, I agree. It makes even less sense that she would go wandering out to the stairwell. Or that she would willingly go with him if she was awake without making any sort of noise. I just don't know how he would be able to take her while she was sleeping without waking her. Strange.

That’s his trump card, just like Brady’s was not telling where he buried KB , A.C. is not telling how he got her out the flat. Alesha had a very busy Sunday, party, park , supermarket trip and still awake at 11. I guess she may have just been in a very deep sleep when he took her from her bed and didn’t wake until she was out the flat, maybe that’s when she started to cry and he shook her violently causing the spinal injury.

I’m more intrigued as to his original motive for going to the flat. I still believe it was to buy weed, I don’t think he’d have had any idea the door would be unlocked that time of morning, so how did he expect to get in to take Alesha? Yet, would someone whos intent was to buy weed, then turn into a abducter rapist and murder on the spur of the moment ? It is baffling. It also begs the question as to which room he knew she was in. Surely he didn’t just casually go from room to room until he found her?

 

[bfin1995]

Genie and family might benefit from talking to someone like Prof. David Wilson first. If AC hasn't admitted his guilt to himself yet, it might be pointless, as per Prof. Wilson's comments:

“Being in denial is very powerful and that’s how you can begin to understand how he could look at images (of Alesha MacPhail’s body shown in evidence) because he dissociates himself from having caused those images.

“Its only when you get him to recognise that he was responsible for these images then you can begin the work to actually treat him."

Criminologist 'hasn't seen enough' to brand Alesha killer a psychopath

 

[TaylorCallum]

That’s his trump card, just like Brady’s was not telling where he buried KB , A.C. is not telling how he got her out the flat. Alesha had a very busy Sunday, party, park , supermarket trip and still awake at 11. I guess she may have just been in a very deep sleep when he took her from her bed and didn’t wake until she was out the flat, maybe that’s when she started to cry and he shook her violently causing the spinal injury.

I’m more intrigued as to his original motive for going to the flat. I still believe it was to buy weed, I don’t think he’d have had any idea the door would be unlocked that time of morning, so how did he expect to get in to take Alesha? Yet, would someone whos intent was to buy weed, then turn into a abducter rapist and murder on the spur of the moment ? It is baffling. It also begs the question as to which room he knew she was in. Surely he didn’t just casually go from room to room until he found her?

Yeah, maybe it is simple as that. Maybe I'm just looking too deep into it.

Me too, that is definitely something I want to know. I agree, I think he went there looking to buy weed. It would make sense considering he phoned RM and TM that night. I don't think he would have phoned them if he had planned on abducting and killing Alesha mere moments later. It doesn't make sense. Yet, it's such a drastic and violent thing to do in the spur of the moment though. And like you said, how did he know which room she was in and where to find her? Weird.

 

[TaylorCallum]

Genie and family might benefit from talking to someone like Prof. David Wilson first. If AC hasn't admitted his guilt to himself yet, it might be pointless, as per Prof. Wilson's comments:

“Being in denial is very powerful and that’s how you can begin to understand how he could look at images (of Alesha MacPhail’s body shown in evidence) because he dissociates himself from having caused those images.

“Its only when you get him to recognise that he was responsible for these images then you can begin the work to actually treat him."

Criminologist 'hasn't seen enough' to brand Alesha killer a psychopath

See I've thought about this quote a lot, and I do agree denial is a powerful thing, but Aaron must know himself that he did it. I know people suppress traumatic memories and things, but the more I think about this particular situation, I don't see how that would be the case here. He appeared to have bragged about the killing. He came out with such an outlandish defence that even he himself surely can't believe it? It doesn't add up. I guess he might be lying to himself and pretending that he doesn't want to know the truth, I'm sure he doesn't want to admit it, but I don't see how he couldn't know.

 

[Kikixxxx]

See I've thought about this quote a lot, and I do agree denial is a powerful thing, but Aaron must know himself that he did it. I know people suppress traumatic memories and things, but the more I think about this particular situation, I don't see how that would be the case here. He appeared to have bragged about the killing. He came out with such an outlandish defence that even he himself surely can't believe it? It doesn't add up. I guess he might be lying to himself and pretending that he doesn't want to know the truth, I'm sure he doesn't want to admit it, but I don't see how he couldn't know.

Yeah I think the same, he MUST know he raped her and killed her? You’d be able to remember surely, David Wilson also said that he killed her coz he felt guilty about raping a little girl but it seems he killed her then carried on raping her after, so that can’t be the case.

He was deffinitley looking for weed that night, he’d rang 4 or 5 people at around 1am who all sold weed, I’m sure he acted on impulse and aleshas room was maybe the first room he went in, it doesn’t explain how looking for cannabis can turn into rape and murder but maybe he took her then decided at some point when he was walking with her he decided he was going to rape and murder her? I dunno, we’ll never know

 

[Eve71]

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Yeah, maybe it is simple as that. Maybe I'm just looking too deep into it.

Me too, that is definitely something I want to know. I agree, I think he went there looking to buy weed. It would make sense considering he phoned RM and TM that night. I don't think he would have phoned them if he had planned on abducting and killing Alesha mere moments later. It doesn't make sense. Yet, it's such a drastic and violent thing to do in the spur of the moment though. And like you said, how did he know which room she was in and where to find her? Weird.

Yes, I really do think it was as simple as that. He certainly didn’t magic her out and the chance of her being in the stairwell are rather slim, jmo.

Agree with you and I’ve never really wavered from the weed buying. The two calls to buy weed, only a short while before he left his home, the fact he could not have know the door would be unlocked, had it been locked, Alesha almost certainly would not have died that night. His aim was to buy weed from anyone he could, how he went from that to a cold , calculated rapist and murderer, I doubt we’ll ever know. He’s never going to tell .

 

[Fluffet]

Whilst I can totally understand why Genie feels compelled to get answers to the questions she has I don’t think meeting with him will provide her with any actual truths.
My suspicion is anything he would say would be fabricated nonsense aimed at causing more confusion or attempts at manipulation.
I’m not sure even if he did tell the truth of what happened that night that hearing him recount his despicable actions in person might do more damage to Genie than good.

 

[Sleuthdolf]

Seems to come back round every time to why he took her, what his original intentions were, and how he took her. I'd be interested to see a floor plan of the flat - I'm sure somebody shared this a long way back.

What i'd be interested to see is if the dealers he asked for weed from responded to him and the exact times. Weed isn't heroin and I don't see why he would go to a house he hasn't ever (allegedly) been inside to ask for or steal weed at that time. He clearly had an interest in the 'perfect crime'. I believe he knew a lot more about the family than we are led to believe through mutual friends on Facebook etc and the inside of the house. It was known that people left their doors open but I am sceptical on this as one just pointed out - how woild he know the key would be left in. I can't get my head round him taking her out of her bed, without any noise, creeping past 4 adults, and she had a creaky door without alerting others or leaving any DNA inside the house.

As someone pointed out Brady kept John Kilbride's (not sure if that's the right victim) location a secret, something he obviously got pleasure from. This lad is a psycopath and most certainly would have gone on to kill more.

For all we know he had tried something similar before. I think he regularly went out late at night and was so warped that he had planned this out to some extent. For all we know he deliberately made those phone calls as a smokescreen.

There is a hell of a lot more to AC's history. So many questions. Is it likely we will hear more once he is sentenced?

 

[Yenriac]

Yeah I think the same, he MUST know he raped her and killed her? You’d be able to remember surely, David Wilson also said that he killed her coz he felt guilty about raping a little girl but it seems he killed her then carried on raping her after, so that can’t be the case.

He was deffinitley looking for weed that night, he’d rang 4 or 5 people at around 1am who all sold weed, I’m sure he acted on impulse and aleshas room was maybe the first room he went in, it doesn’t explain how looking for cannabis can turn into rape and murder but maybe he took her then decided at some point when he was walking with her he decided he was going to rape and murder her? I dunno, we’ll never know

Is it possible he made the phonecalls for cannabis because the whole thing was premeditated? The phonecalls were a decoy and enabled him to say he was out looking for weed? Just throwing this out there, maybe he had planned it, maybe he knew where Alesha's room was after a conversation or comment with or from either RM or TM and they can't remember because at the time it was so insignificant. This is just a train of thought i have just now.

 

[Eve71]

See I've thought about this quote a lot, and I do agree denial is a powerful thing, but Aaron must know himself that he did it. I know people suppress traumatic memories and things, but the more I think about this particular situation, I don't see how that would be the case here. He appeared to have bragged about the killing. He came out with such an outlandish defence that even he himself surely can't believe it? It doesn't add up. I guess he might be lying to himself and pretending that he doesn't want to know the truth, I'm sure he doesn't want to admit it, but I don't see how he couldn't know.

I agree with everything you’ve wrote here. I have a lot of respect for Dr Wilson but I think he’s wrong with this one and your post basically explains why . He knows exactly what he’s done , he’s just not admitted it to anyone else. I also believe his intention was to ultimately kill her, I don’t believe he felt any guilt at all. In his own written words he’d stated he’d like to kill one day just for the lifetime experience and he’d have done it again.

 

[Sleuthdolf]

I agree with everything you’ve wrote here. I have a lot of respect for Dr Wilson but I think he’s wrong with this one and your post basically explains why . He knows exactly what he’s done , he’s just not admitted it to anyone else. I also believe his intention was to ultimately kill her, I don’t believe he felt any guilt at all. In his own written words he’d stated he’d like to kill one day just for the lifetime experience and he’d have done it again.

I agree. He was going to kill somebody at some point and it happened to be that night.

To be fair to Professor Wilson he wasn't saying that conclusively. This is what he emailed me back a few weeks ago - "Thank you for your e mail and for your kind comments. Psychopathy is a personality disorder and is a complex one at that. Too often I see that label applied too carelessly but it can only be clinically applied after careful consideration. I did not feel that I knew enough about AC to be able to label him as such, but others – who might have been able to do the PCL-R on him might be able to with more certainty than me. With my best wishes, Professor David Wilson."

 

[Eve71]

I agree. He was going to kill somebody at some point and it happened to be that night.

To be fair to Professor Wilson he wasn't saying that conclusively. This is what he emailed me back a few weeks ago - "Thank you for your e mail and for your kind comments. Psychopathy is a personality disorder and is a complex one at that. Too often I see that label applied too carelessly but it can only be clinically applied after careful consideration. I did not feel that I knew enough about AC to be able to label him as such, but others – who might have been able to do the PCL-R on him might be able to with more certainty than me. With my best wishes, Professor David Wilson."

Thank you for posting Prof Wilson’s reply. It would make interesting reading should he ever get to meet A.C. himself.

 

[Kikixxxx]

Thank you for posting Prof Wilson’s reply. It would make interesting reading should he ever get to meet A.C. himself.

Yeah I tweeted him asking if he would be interviewing AC or working with him and he said no plans. I’m not sure he’ll be able to work with him if he’s in prison or if he can just analyse from afar like on tv documentaries.

 

[Eve71]

Is it possible he made the phonecalls for cannabis because the whole thing was premeditated? The phonecalls were a decoy and enabled him to say he was out looking for weed? Just throwing this out there, maybe he had planned it, maybe he knew where Alesha's room was after a conversation or comment with or from either RM or TM and they can't remember because at the time it was so insignificant. This is just a train of thought i have just now.

It’s possible but I think RM and TM would not be on that list of dealers to call, especially so close to the abduction.