UK - Alesha MacPhail, 6, raped & murdered, Ardbeg, Isle of Bute, Scotland, 2 Jul 2018 -*arrest* #6

[Yenriac]

Oh yeah he did, that's right. Surprising though that if people have got close enough to do that to him they've not managed to kill him.

I don't think they have ever intended to kill him. Just maim him and scar him to further punish him.

 

[Eve71]

You would think that he would but then people like Ian Brady, Ian Huntley and all other sorts of child rapists, serial killers etc. weren't killed in prison so it's probably not as likely as we'd believe. I think the US is different in that regard. I kind of wish Dahmer wasn't killed honestly, what he did was awful but he was pretty forthcoming and honest with what he did, especially for a serial killer, and I think he could have been studied more. I found his prison interviews very fascinating. From a selfish standpoint I do wish there were more.

Agree. He was very open about his crimes and I think a lot could have been learnt from him. I believe he also showed remorse. As heinous as his crimes were, he’s was far from the worst of the worst.

 

[Fidobell]

That’s true. Plus he’s from what appears to be a comfortable background whereas most of the guys in Polmont will be from rough backgrounds, he probably won’t have came across the likes of anyone like that in the tranquil of Bute. I can imagine them thinking he’s a bit of a weirdo aswell. Polmont will be worse for him I think because there’s really no offender there that has carried out a crime this horrendous. By the time he gets to Shotts this case will have been forgotten about by most inmates, it is 4-5 years away. Hopefully not though, most prisoners in Scotland are petty crime criminals, we’re not hootching with child killers really. These are few and far between so let’s hope he isn’t forgotten about. But with that in mind life could be exptremely hard for him just now, he’ll probaly not be leaving his cell. I’d go as far to say he is probably excercising / fresh air walks at different times to the other inmates too.

A new wing has been added to Shotts prison in recent years , adding to the existing facilities for the country most prolific killers . ( including limbs in the loch killer William Begg at present and the locherbie bomber in the past - just off the top of my head ) so I don't think he'll be rooming with a petty criminal who wont care about his detainment reason . The hardest of hard criminals are housed in Shotts . If he eventually ends up in Shotts prison he'll get his just desserts .
I live locally to S.P. and driving past my stomach lurches at the thought of the earths scum being behind the fence and gates . Even if it's down the line , prisoners will know A and child killers are at the bottom of the pile where criminals are concerned . A pecking order exists amongst prisoners and his hideous crime against a child will not go unnoticed amongst them Lifers havn't much to lose by going for another prisoner and injuring them . Its not unusual to see a handcuffed heavily guarded prisoner getting whisked through local A and E with injuries from a makeshift handmade weapon or being scalded . Another 6 months added to life sentence is nothing and they gain noterity for the attack . I think we can safely say hell not get things easy

 

[Alyce]

Thank you. I'm glad somebody does. It's nice, in a way to have found people with similar interests. I know what you mean, makes me feel bad when I autopilot type her initials in.

Don’t feel bad about using initials. Many of us do so, and it is a good way of ensuring the robots don’t pick up the name and put our comments into google and other search engines. So in a way you can look at it as protecting her.

 

[Alyce]

That’s what I thought. Each aspect will be looked at separately but the sentence will run as a whole. Reading between the lines of Lord Matthews comments , I’m sure he’d prefer a whole life tariff with no chance of release but I doubt he will be able to pass that sentence . It’s going to be a long one though....30 years or more.

He won’t be able to give it because it does not - yet - exist in Scotland.

 

[Eve71]

A new wing has been added to Shotts prison in recent years , adding to the existing facilities for the country most prolific killers . ( including limbs in the loch killer William Begg at present and the locherbie bomber in the past - just off the top of my head ) so I don't think he'll be rooming with a petty criminal who wont care about his detainment reason . The hardest of hard criminals are housed in Shotts . If he eventually ends up in Shotts prison he'll get his just desserts .
I live locally to S.P. and driving past my stomach lurches at the thought of the earths scum being behind the fence and gates . Even if it's down the line , prisoners will know A and child killers are at the bottom of the pile where criminals are concerned . A pecking order exists amongst prisoners and his hideous crime against a child will not go unnoticed amongst them Lifers havn't much to lose by going for another prisoner and injuring them . Its not unusual to see a handcuffed heavily guarded prisoner getting whisked through local A and E with injuries from a makeshift handmade weapon or being scalded . Another 6 months added to life sentence is nothing and they gain noterity for the attack . I think we can safely say hell not get things easy

It very rarely gets reported if an inmate is attacked, even an infamous one such as A.C. so I expect a lot more attacks go on than what we hear about. The only downside to A.C. being hurt is he could sue for failure to protect him properly, so he may potentially win a lot of money via the tax payer. Not that it would be any use to him if the judge, hopefully throws away the key next Thursday.

 

[Edinlass]

A new wing has been added to Shotts prison in recent years , adding to the existing facilities for the country most prolific killers . ( including limbs in the loch killer William Begg at present and the locherbie bomber in the past - just off the top of my head ) so I don't think he'll be rooming with a petty criminal who wont care about his detainment reason . The hardest of hard criminals are housed in Shotts . If he eventually ends up in Shotts prison he'll get his just desserts .
I live locally to S.P. and driving past my stomach lurches at the thought of the earths scum being behind the fence and gates . Even if it's down the line , prisoners will know A and child killers are at the bottom of the pile where criminals are concerned . A pecking order exists amongst prisoners and his hideous crime against a child will not go unnoticed amongst them Lifers havn't much to lose by going for another prisoner and injuring them . Its not unusual to see a handcuffed heavily guarded prisoner getting whisked through local A and E with injuries from a makeshift handmade weapon or being scalded . Another 6 months added to life sentence is nothing and they gain noterity for the attack . I think we can safely say hell not get things easy

Sincerely hope so.

 

[Alyce]

I just went to check as I knew I had seen something re whole of life tariff in Scotland,

Apparently Scottish Conservatives have talked about bringing a bill into Parliament to introduce whole of life for Scotland.
However, the report I read is dated February 2017 so am not sure if they have progressed at all with this plan.
I do think it would be a very good addition for the Scottish courts.

 

[Yenriac]

A new wing has been added to Shotts prison in recent years , adding to the existing facilities for the country most prolific killers . ( including limbs in the loch killer William Begg at present and the locherbie bomber in the past - just off the top of my head ) so I don't think he'll be rooming with a petty criminal who wont care about his detainment reason . The hardest of hard criminals are housed in Shotts . If he eventually ends up in Shotts prison he'll get his just desserts .
I live locally to S.P. and driving past my stomach lurches at the thought of the earths scum being behind the fence and gates . Even if it's down the line , prisoners will know A and child killers are at the bottom of the pile where criminals are concerned . A pecking order exists amongst prisoners and his hideous crime against a child will not go unnoticed amongst them Lifers havn't much to lose by going for another prisoner and injuring them . Its not unusual to see a handcuffed heavily guarded prisoner getting whisked through local A and E with injuries from a makeshift handmade weapon or being scalded . Another 6 months added to life sentence is nothing and they gain noterity for the attack . I think we can safely say hell not get things easy

I don't think he will get it easy anywhere but he will be housed with in Shotts with other long term prisoners who are also sex offenders.
I'm also sure the Lockerbie bomber was housed in Barlinnie from 2001 - 2005 then moved to Greenock, from where he was compassionately released in 2009.

 

[Edinlass]

I just went to check as I knew I had seen something re whole of life tariff in Scotland,

Apparently Scottish Conservatives have talked about bringing a bill into Parliament to introduce whole of life for Scotland.
However, the report I read is dated February 2017 so am not sure if they have progressed at all with this plan.
I do think it would be a very good addition for the Scottish courts.

Yes it is definitely needed, hopefully it will come to the forefront after this horrendous crime. As I said up thread these types of crimes are really few and far between in Scotland, I think that could be the reason why a whole life tariff hasn’t been passed as yet. And due to us being overly lenient and caring too much about criminals human rights. Ridiculous.

 

[Edinlass]

I don't think he will get it easy anywhere but he will be housed with in Shotts with other long term prisoners who are also sex offenders.
I'm also sure the Lockerbie bomber was housed in Barlinnie from 2001 - 2005 then moved to Greenock, from where he was compassionately released in 2009.

I agree, they are protected to some extent especially high profile cases all we can hope for is that guards turn a blind eye now and again. Thankfully it does happen more often than not. Yes you are right he was in Barlinnie, then Greenock now dead - apparently. I agree with you i think AC will be among the worst of Scotland’s criminals in Shotts, he’s more at risk in Polmont surrounded by petty teenage criminals who want to make a name for themselves rather than hardened criminals in a men’s prison like Shotts who are really just wanting jobs in the kitchen, good behaviour reports etc.

 

[Eve71]

I wouldn’t be surprised to see a very different A.C. in court next week. He will be appearing as a convicted prisoner and not one on remand. He’s had four weeks to process the fact his home is now behind very high walls and will be for a very, very long time, maybe till he dies. I expect that cocky confidence is slowly slipping away.

 

[Kikixxxx]

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[Yenriac]

I agree, they are protected to some extent especially high profile cases all we can hope for is that guards turn a blind eye now and again. Thankfully it does happen more often than not. Yes you are right he was in Barlinnie, then Greenock now dead - apparently. I agree with you i think AC will be among the worst of Scotland’s criminals in Shotts, he’s more at risk in Polmont surrounded by petty teenage criminals who want to make a name for themselves rather than hardened criminals in a men’s prison like Shotts who are really just wanting jobs in the kitchen, good behaviour reports etc.

Yes totally agree. As someone who has visited both polmont and shotts, i can say it's two very different atmospheres.
The prisoners in polmont are all young boys desperate to make a name for themselves and happy to maim a child murderer in their midst.
In Shotts, the guys have already made a name for themselves and like you say @Edinlass all they want is a cushty job and praise for good behaviour. Well, the majority of them anyway.

 

[Kikixxxx]

Alesha MacPhail killer Aaron Campbell racks up £14k legal bill

pffft

 

[Edinlass]

Alesha MacPhail killer Aaron Campbell racks up £14k legal bill

pffft

What a kick in the teeth eh. Said before that the special defence was ridiculous, made a mockery of the court system and will cost tax payers a bomb through the SLAB because he is a minor he will automatically be entitled to free legal fees.

 

[Eve71]

What a kick in the teeth eh. Said before that the special defence was ridiculous, made a mockery of the court system and will cost tax payers a bomb through the SLAB because he is a minor he will automatically be entitled to free legal fees.

No surprise at all. He’s not the first and certainly won’t be the last. Seems such a total waste, especially when the outcome was always going to be a forgone. His special defence should never have been allowed, especially on the 11th hour and with no evidence at all. I hope his defence team enjoy regurgitating.

 

[Rhenish]

Alesha MacPhail killer Aaron Campbell racks up £14k legal bill

pffft

Wow, that seems incredibly inexpensive to me but I am here in the States and I have a feeling it would have been so much more here, the public defender office would have squeezed every cent they were able to especially for being such a high profile case of such a horrendous nature. I think maybe his defense did not need to spend to much time developing nor supporting a viable defense as Aaron clearly stuck with the Toni did it defense so I do not think they had to much to pursue and costs were kept down. I don't know but I am shocked how little that cost to date. IMO

 

[Kikixxxx]

Wow, that seems incredibly inexpensive to me but I am here in the States and I have a feeling it would have been so much more here, the public defender office would have squeezed every cent they were able to especially for being such a high profile case of such a horrendous nature. I think maybe his defense did not need to spend to much time developing nor supporting a viable defense as Aaron clearly stuck with the Toni did it defense so I do not think they had to much to pursue and costs were kept down. I don't know but I am shocked how little that cost to date. IMO

i agree actually, i expected more too, it does say the costs will likely go up.

 

[Eve71]

Wow, that seems incredibly inexpensive to me but I am here in the States and I have a feeling it would have been so much more here, the public defender office would have squeezed every cent they were able to especially for being such a high profile case of such a horrendous nature. I think maybe his defense did not need to spend to much time developing nor supporting a viable defense as Aaron clearly stuck with the Toni did it defense so I do not think they had to much to pursue and costs were kept down. I don't know but I am shocked how little that cost to date. IMO

Agree, did expect a lot more but even £1 would have been too much spent on him. It really was an open and shut case, the defendable was the undefendable . Maybe the defence purposely kept their fees low.