UK - Alisa Dmitrijeva, 17, found dead on Queen's Norfolk estate, 1 Jan 2012

[cluciano63]

I read that Sandringham and the encompassing village are larger than Manahattan, so there is really no reason that this woman had to be known to the royal family. There are apparently one or more working farms on the estate, owned and staffed privately from what I understand. Still, I do hope her identity is discovered soon, there will be no way to find out what happened to her if they cannot determine who she is. JMO

 

[Irish_Eyes]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/03/world/europe/uk-royal-estate-murder/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

"Police launched a murder investigation Tuesday after a woman's body was found on Queen Elizabeth II's estate in Sandringham, in the English county of Norfolk."

The article goes on to say DNA is expected shortly, cold cases are being looked at. The Queen and Prince Phillip are in residence at Sandringham House in December and January, and portions of the grounds are accessible to the public between April and November. It would seem also then that portions may be accessible year round, as it is stated that a member of the public walking in the woods found the remains. They estimate the remains had been there for between 1-4 months.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

"Police suspect the body of a murdered woman found on the Queen's Sandringham estate could be that of Latvian-born teenager Alisa Dmitrijeva, who went missing in August."

Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/886331-...-be-missing-teenager-say-police#ixzz1iSOeZp7x

 

[wfgodot]

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The missing persons cases said to be reopened include the disappearances of Alisa Dmitrijeva, 17, from Wisbech, Cambridgeshire, and Vitalija Baliutaviciene, 29, from Peterborough, both of whom vanished in August.
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The family of 17-year-old Dmitrijeva, who disappeared from a small town just down the road from Sandringham, said, however, that police have already told them the body is not Dmitrijeva.
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A Lithuanian man has been charged with the kidnap and murder of 29-year-old Baliutaviciene, who disappeared from her home Aug. 12, but her body was never discovered.
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much more here:

Police Narrow Profile of Human Remains Found on Queen's Estate (ABC)

 

[mysteriew]

I would think that every single square inch of that place is under video surveillance (well...except for the Queen's private areas inside the estate). If the body was placed there after the use of video cameras, then hopefully they haven't taped over or discarded the footage. If it's been there for decades, then that's another story.

If it has been placed there somewhat recently, then I hope that Her Majesty's security team and anyone with access to that estate are thoroughly investigated.

I don't know how good the video surveillance is, from what is coming out, this seems to be the third body they have found on the estate. There was another murdered woman, and a man who was apparently stalking the Royals (died of natural causes). So this isn't the first body found there.

 

[wfgodot]

I don't know how good the video surveillance is, from what is coming out, this seems to be the third body they have found on the estate. There was another murdered woman, and a man who was apparently stalking the Royals (died of natural causes). So this isn't the first body found there.

This is the first body found at Sandringham. The other two were found, respectively on the estate at Windsor,
and near Buckingham Palace.

 

[wfgodot]

Daily Mail has pictures of two possibles in search to ID body:

Body of murdered woman found at Sandringham could be one of TWO East Europeans who vanished in August

 

[badhorsie]

Not an accident.
Not a natural death.

That leaves suicide or murder.

She was not apparently shot or stabbed, two of the common suicide methods.


So that leaves us with:

Drowning
Poisoning
Drug overdose
Blunt force trauma/Beating
Hanging/Suffocation/Strangling/Asphyxiation in general

I might be missing something... I think that is most of them.

I am guessing that whatever happened occurred somewhere else and there isn't clear evidence at the scene.

Now my question is... how did nobody smell this earlier?
Do they not have birds there which would have showed interest?

Snipped and BBM, NO the royals shoot them all

 

[Irish_Eyes]

I am on my mobile so I can't link it but various outlets reporting that a second missing woman- a young woman of Lithuanian descent - is also being compared against this Doe.

The age estimate is now being reported as 15-23 years

 

[wfgodot]

A post-mortem examination has revealed the remains found on New Year’s Day yards from where the Royal Family held their Christmas shoot are of a white woman, aged from 15 to 23.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/293587/Two-missing-girls-clue-to-body-on-Queen-s-estate

 

[writer7]

Most of England reminds me a lot of my area, except there are fewer forests. We have so many deer die, etc, that are just off in the woods somewhere and you'd never know it if you weren't pretty close. Even if I were close, I'd assume the smell was a deer, not a person.

I never see buzzards or vultures or anything here, so I wonder if birds always help folks find bodies? I don't know about England enough, except for many trips on a train in various seasons. If it really is similar to here, I understand not realizing there was a dead body nearby.

 

[badhorsie]

The birds here are often to be seen feasting on carrion, but human remains? I don't know.
There are parts of England where a body could lay undisturbed but someone must be responsible for that land, most farmers check their land regularly

 

[Soulmagent]

Without giving further specifics, officials involved in the examination said it is "highly unlikely" the death was a result of natural causes.

Detectives also found no evidence of accidental injury, damage because of firearms or bladed weapon at the site.

Detectives said results from DNA samples taken from the body should be available within the next 24 hours, and they hope to provide more details on the cold case. Police also plan to resume their search of the area where the body was discovered Wednesday.

http://abcnews.go.com/International...tural-accident/story?id=15281474#.TwNslNT2akc

Not an accident.
Not a natural death.

That leaves suicide or murder.

She was not apparently shot or stabbed, two of the common suicide methods.


So that leaves us with:

Drowning
Poisoning
Drug overdose
Blunt force trauma/Beating
Hanging/Suffocation/Strangling/Asphyxiation in general

I might be missing something... I think that is most of them.

I am guessing that whatever happened occurred somewhere else and there isn't clear evidence at the scene.

Now my question is... how did nobody smell this earlier?
Do they not have birds there which would have showed interest?

and they hope to provide more details on the cold case

Why did they already call it a cold case? I would think at one week in ,it was pretty warm.:waitasec:

 

[wfgodot]

Sleepy English town roused by murder mystery (USA Today)

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Neville Bromwich, 76, wonders why the body wasn't discovered by any other of the many dog walkers who frequent the area.
He has been going to the Sandringham estate to walk his dog for the past two years. People he has met on his walks haven't said much about it.

"There was one chap, though, who wondered how many more bodies might there be out here," he said, gesturing to the acres of woodland beyond an open patch of grass where his terriers were playing.
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"There are so many people who come walking around here it must have been a midnight job," said Rex Langford, speculating on the time of day the body might have been left.
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Indeed, there is very little of this type of crime in this remote part of Norfolk where you might not come across another soul for miles. Not for many years has the community had to deal with an unidentified body in its midst.

The last time was in 1974, when the headless body of a pregnant woman was discovered. She has never been identified.
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much more at link above

 

[Irish_Eyes]

New info on Sandringham Jane Doe:


From the following article (with BBM: )

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jan/06/sandringham-remains-police-royal-estate?newsfeed=true

Detectives are interviewing gamekeepers and the manager of the royal estate as well as organisers of events, including the Sandringham game fair and the Tour of Britain cycle race, which were held at the Norfolk property in September, in an effort to find more clues about the fate of the 15- to 23-year-old woman, who detectives believe was murdered.

The identity of the woman, who was wearing jewellery, had high cheekbones and was between 5ft 4ins and 5ft 6ins, is expected to be finally confirmed by DNA analysis of bones on Monday after tests on tissue and bone marrow failed to establish who she was.

 

[wfgodot]

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DCI Jes Fry revealed that the post-mortem on the body had failed to provide a usable DNA profile.

"As a result, we'll be sending the exhibits for testing under a different process which will take three days," DCI Fry said.

"I'm confident that this process will provide a DNA profile."
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ntification-will-take-further-three-days.html

 

[stacemcace]

Police have now confirmed the body is 17yr old Alisa Dmitrijeva. RIP Alisa.
(I'm new here so I hope its ok to post this - I'm from Scotland, UK)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-16460141

 

[dotr]

Welcome to WS stacemcace and thanks for the post!

 

[wfgodot]

Sandringham Estate body named as Alisa Dmitrijeva (BBC)

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Latvian-born Miss Dmitrijeva was identified by comparing detail from her palm with records held.

Miss Dmitrijeva, from Wisbech in Cambridgeshire, was last seen in Friars Street, King's Lynn, on 31 August.

In a press statement, Miss Dmitrijeva's family said they were "devastated" by news of her death.
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more at link above

 

[wfgodot]

'I'm 85 per cent to blame', says distraught mother of Latvian girl in Royal estate murder mystery (Daily Mail)