UK UK - Alistair Wilson, 30, murdered at home, Nairn, Scotland, 28 Nov 2004

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My hypothesis is that more happened on the doorstep that night, and the police are very reluctant to release this information into the public domain.

My gut feeling is that AW was definitely meant to die that night, but for some unknown reason the killer hesitated in pulling the trigger 1st time round: "why"? My gut instincts tell me that perhaps the gunman was aware of AW young sons presence, either with there Dad, or present with him at the door on the 1st encounter, If so then it's highly plausible that this completely threw the gunman off track and he couldn't bring himself round to carrying out the hit.

I have always found it strange that the Police released footage of AW eldest son not long after the crime being told by a child psychologist that his Daddy was never going to come back home, I'm sure if my memory serves me correctly the son in question was clearly distressed in the video and just wanted his Dad to come back home, it was almost like the Police were using this to play on the gunmans conscience, in hope that he would hand themselves in.

The eldest son also did an appeal last year aswell, it's almost like the Police are using this as tactic in hope that it will finally make a breakthrough.

I think the envelope was always meant to be used that night, almost as a way to verify the person he was sent to kill. Example : " I have a letter for Paul at number 10 crescent road" AW: "Sorry I'm the only man that stays here and I'm AW" so by that simple use of the envelope he knew this was definitely the right target and AW verified the envelope as the correct address and also himself inadvertently in the process.

From that point I believe the envelope grew and drew more attention to itself, far more than what its sole purpose was supposed to be used for.

It obviously didn't mean a great deal to the gunman as he could have taken the envelope from AW before he took it back inside to show his wife, i don't believe the name "PAUL" had any real significance to the gunman or to the people that hired him to carry out the hit, under no circumstances would they be so naive to leave such a significant amount of clues or evidence on an envelope which would jeopardize them being caught.
I think the gunman lost control of the situation very quickly in quite a short space of time, but when AW came back to the door second time round, in all probability to hand the envelope back to the gunman and to tell him that he definitely got the wrong house, I believe then the gunman pulled the trigger straight away and got himself away from the scene.

He had asked for him by name, so surely the caller was aware who he was when he came to the door, and more aware of who he was after the short chat? What purpose would handing the envelope serve after then, to confirm his already confirmed identity?

 

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Was Alistairs property a hotel when they bought it ? Or did they decide to convert it after purchasing?

I assume the hotel across the road was there first ?

another thought re the envelope, maybe it was something to be signed withdrawing his complaint?

It was a house. The previous owner sold it cheaply, around 100 and odd thousand. As she wanted to move as her husband had died. Now today it’s worth £ 400.000. Her father had sold his house and moved in with them and he chipped in with money for the business From his house sale.

If you Google 10 crescent rd, for sale, it will show you the value of it and the previous history of sales.

 

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Are there any details where the locals got these ideas from? As far as is known VW is the only person to have seen the envelope. According to the police the envelope was empty (based on VWs testimony) so how did locals get to understand these was something in the envelope?

The police have said there was something else written on it also, they they won’t divulge.

 

[Magnified]

just a couple of other points...I can see why the mortgage arrangements may have been a bit strange...originally it would. have been partly for a business and then purely for a home...and this was back in the day when anyone working for a bank was expected to make all their. financial arrangements with them....id have thought the police would have got an. expert with no ties to local businesses to go through. everything....if not, I think an outside force should be called in.

why haven't we got any photofits

like David t I dont think the intention was to kill....I know its only a. gut feeling and im probably totally wrong...but I dont think the whole envelope episode would have occurred otherwise.....I think someone enjoyed. playing the role. with. a gun. and a baseball cap and the idea of frightening someone.

has anyone. ever seen the chefs name anywhere...well, I bet it won't be Paul...its just odd

The chefs name was Stuart wright. Michael Ross was on a tour of Afghanistan and returned back home 3 weeks before the murder.( Orkney).

He did once hang around in the bushes too wearing an a camouflage suit to scare an ex partners former boyfriend. The police do not know the motive for Mr Mahmood’s murder. They said it could be racism or a hit,

When Ross jumped the dock after sentencing he made off towards Tesco (before being caught by a security guard), where a car was waiting for him, and inside, it was filled with firearms, ammunition and knives.

 

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The part I also find strange is , are we to believe a killer who was savy enough to retrieve the enevelope for DNA would leave a cigarette but, surley that could have been a stray from someone walking past

Who’s to say it was his cigarette but? It could of blown on from anywhere.

 

[Magnified]

I think David Wilson along with a host of other criminologists have stated that it's not uncommon for contract hits to be carried out on the victims doorstep, especially in the UK.
VW I still think to this day doesn't use her front door, apparently all visitors including close friends and families were told to access the house through the backdoor, and I'm sure the front doorbell was disabled aswell.
It's very easy for people from the outside to make judgement calls on what she should have done, but at the end of the day she probably had fond memories of her and AW in the house. Also her young boys were very settled where they were, it's alot of stress having to pack your bags and leave and start a fresh, along with grieving for the loss of her husband, and alot of strain to put on your kids aswel.

No lady's daughter boarded the bus and witnessed a shady character, it was infact a local man by the name of Tommy Hogg who witnessed a man boarding the Inverness to nairn who matched the killer's description. It later turned out that the Police managed to trace this individual and he was eliminated from the investigation as they didn't deem him as a suspect.

I do think it was a mere coincidence that the CCTV malfunctioned, one of the camera's was actually working properly but it just so happened to be that it was facing away from the street that looked onto crescent road. Highland council were the one's who revamped the town with the new CCTV cameras, so I'm sure they'd be the only people who'd have access to operating the camera's.

I don't believe that AW killing was to do with his wife or most definitely not over a decking dispute. The case will never be solved now as the detectives weren't truly equipped or prepared to deal with a case of this magnitude. Had they hired a forensic accountant along with a chartered accountant to turn his workplace upside down, then I believe they would have got somewhere, but so many year's have gone by now old accounts/business deals won't be accessable, and would have been erased from the database, as HBOS most likely had a clear out job when they went bust.

The thing that makes me question that this was a gangland type of assassination, ( hit) carried out by that type of person, is that you would usually see a burnt out getaway vehicle not far away from the murder scene where they switched cars. We just don’t see that in this case.

 

[cortina]

The thing that makes me question that this was a gangland type of assassination, ( hit) carried out by that type of person, is that you would usually see a burnt out getaway vehicle not far away from the murder scene where they switched cars. We just don’t see that in this case.

what makes me doubt a. gangland assassination is that aw wasn't shot as soon as he came to the. door and why they bothered. with the. envelope...once it gets to this stage, they usually know. they're going to kill and just do it...I guess it. depends how you define a gangland assassination.

the house wasn't that expensive then....aw seems to have been a. high flyer and I think this was. back in the day when bank employees got cheap mortgages...it depends how much they were planning on spending on it...again aw seems to have been naive about the difficulties. of running a hotel or restaurant...he may have been naive about how much needed. doing to the property

 

[cortina]

the very big. problem we've got is that we've no idea about the truth. or otherwise of the official version

 

[Kiri]

The chefs name was Stuart wright. Michael Ross was on a tour of Afghanistan and returned back home 3 weeks before the murder.( Orkney).

He did once hang around in the bushes too wearing an a camouflage suit to scare an ex partners former boyfriend. The police do not know the motive for Mr Mahmood’s murder. They said it could be racism or a hit,

When Ross jumped the dock after sentencing he made off towards Tesco (before being caught by a security guard), where a car was waiting for him, and inside, it was filled with firearms, ammunition and knives.

I was very keen on Michael Ross for this murder. Police never seemed to publically rule him out (loudly enough) for me!!!!

 

[Kiri]

So... I think we need to hypothesise there could well be something very specific in/on the envelope (that police haven't revealed publically - remember in the STV documentary web cast, that the interviewer was told by police, he could ask V anything, but not about envelope!). Remember also, DCI McPhee theorised the shooter returned (immediately after shooting) to retrieve the envelope - this is how it is explained that V still glimsed shooter running off, despite her needing to run down the stairs etc. I.e that explained why shooter was still visible given the time delay. Again, possibly not such a professional a shooter as made out to be!!! I.e forgetting to take incriminating envelope away....or he had to literally prise it out of AW's hands. (sorry to be graphic).

 

[Kiri]

Interesting, that MS and AB fell out after that night... Chef sacked after closing hotel on night of Nairn banker's murder ?!? Other eye witnesses discuss the initial scene on the STV downloadable clips. AB was later to scene than SW and the girls in pub. So he wasn't an immediate witness.

 

[cortina]

ive never really betted, so what is the usual procedure when you have a big win...do you. take your. betting slip in and receive a cheque..this theory is plausible, but it still. seems a strange. way to do business...I assume the police have tried to follow this up...there must be a record. of bets placed etc

 

[cortina]

Interesting, that MS and AB fell out after that night... Chef sacked after closing hotel on night of Nairn banker's murder ?!? Other eye witnesses discuss the initial scene on the STV downloadable clips. AB was later to scene than SW and the girls in pub. So he wasn't an immediate witness.

ive always thought the sacking was very harsh...I can understand that ab might not have agreed. with the chef, but its one of those situations which you can't anticipate

 

[Magnified]

So... I think we need to hypothesise there could well be something very specific in/on the envelope (that police haven't revealed publically - remember in the STV documentary web cast, that the interviewer was told by police, he could ask V anything, but not about envelope!). Remember also, DCI McPhee theorised the shooter returned (immediately after shooting) to retrieve the envelope - this is how it is explained that V still glimsed shooter running off, despite her needing to run down the stairs etc. I.e that explained why shooter was still visible given the time delay. Again, possibly not such a professional a shooter as made out to be!!! I.e forgetting to take incriminating envelope away....or he had to literally prise it out of AW's hands. (sorry to be graphic).

We could go one step further and say that Andy had said ( when Pete B interviewed him for his book) that when he walked into the shambles bar there was a man already in there who got up and left when he walked in. That man then returned a couple of minutes later ( matching the time a man chatted to Alistair) because he had forgotten his cigarettes.


So maybe that was the killer. He left to knock on his door when Andy went into the shambles bar, then returned, using the forgotten cigrettes as an excuse to get off his doorstep out of site, then returned when the coast was clear?

I do have a theory I posted yesterday but no idea if or how it would fit into these specific movements.

 

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Welcome back. Or, he is just still simply a POSSIBLE witness? (That's what he told MSM/what was reported earlier in the year, from Canada!). Or .... IMO could Police now think 'the local person they had a chat with' could actually be a conspirator to a potential more serious charge??? (but I'm being very careful what I'm saying here!). All possible/IMOO - based on facts MSM did report 'local man' of interest?!? So we don't know who it actually is! Or what the 'chat' may have been! ... who/what was AB supposed to have been a witness to exactly? Other than being one of 1st on scene of crime. So innocent until proven guilty n all that!!! But I'd love to know what they asked him specifically, in Canada! I.e did he see a certain person somewhere near/before/after incident??!!!

Very possible. There is lots in his ever changing stories, his cctv not working and behaviour, (explaining why his DNA is on the victim, putting his watch back on) that leads me to believe he has been their top suspect for a very long time.

 

[Mickymack10]

The thing that makes me question that this was a gangland type of assassination, ( hit) carried out by that type of person, is that you would usually see a burnt out getaway vehicle not far away from the murder scene where they switched cars. We just don’t see that in this case.

Yes it usually does end up that way, but not every murder is the same, this one included. It's very baffling to say the least

 

[Magnified]

Yes it usually does end up that way, but not every murder is the same, this one included. It's very baffling to say the least

Yeah and I take that and understand it-but it could also relate to the possibility that they weren’t in a vehicle?

Nine times out of 10 in a gangland assassination, you would expect to see either a burnt out vehicle or an abandoned vehicle close by?

 

[Magnified]

ive never really betted, so what is the usual procedure when you have a big win...do you. take your. betting slip in and receive a cheque..this theory is plausible, but it still. seems a strange. way to do business...I assume the police have tried to follow this up...there must be a record. of bets placed etc

No you would usually receive the pay out there and then but if the bookie didn’t have enough money in, then that would be the procedure to leave your name and address and take the betting slip with you.

You wouldn’t be paid out in a cheque, which couldn’t make an argument as to why he was bemused, if someone turned up on his doorstep claiming the envelope contained a cheque. The real motive here is to get that betting slip from him before Monday, so he doesn’t return to cash it in. Could explain the Sunday night visits?

 

[Kiri]

It was commented in Bleksley about it odd that AB went for drink in the Shambles when he could have drank in his own pub, he was with family/friends that eve. Wasn't he? Taking them out for dinner? perhaps distancing himself from the scene?!? Or maybe just wanted a change of scene!! (No pun intended!). This case is baffling!!!!

 

[Kiri]

Very possible. There is lots in his ever changing stories, his cctv not working and behaviour, (explaining why his DNA is on the victim, putting his watch back on) that leads me to believe he has been their top suspect for a very long time.

I see your thinking! Also in B book, was AB's comment about how police failed to find all the gun casings for some time, due to a casing being covered in leaves! B could never ascertain if this was true from police, because they wouldn't answer B's questions. I felt it was AB referencing shoddy police forensic/soco etc. But maybe a Freudian slip!!!?? Who knows!!!