UK UK - Alistair Wilson, 30, murdered at home, Nairn, Scotland, 28 Nov 2004

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Okay. Hands up. When I woke up on the day I posted my three previous comments I had never heard of the murder of Alistair Wilson.

So today I skimmed through all the comments on this thread and found a lot of useful info and links.

A link to the article about the person of interest that Bleksley mentioned but wouldn't name (that I linked) was originally posted here in 2022 and the possible connection with Ayr was mentioned by one commenter. I also found the suspect named on various other sites such as comments on YouTube and Reddit. So I am by no means the first person to figure out who this is. It would seem it is common knowledge locally. But this info wasn't taken up by many Websleuths commenters or those on other forums.

This 2022 BBC TV report by Fiona Walker is required viewing for anyone interested in the case:

It has an interview with Veronica in which she states that she has to be careful what she says as she has information that other people might not know (from 14 mins 20 secs).

There is also an interesting section about Andy Burnet (he is also spelt Burnett in some articles). He told Sunday Times journalist David James Smith in 2005 that there was something a little off-key about the couple because they never opened their front door and kept their curtains closed. "It's like they've got something to hide". Fiona Walker suggests it might have been because pub customers were staring into their windows. Burnet also told the Sunday Times that he had been a focus of the police enquiry (from 15 mins 14 secs).

Walker also mentions the specific person of interest that Bleksley mentions in the recent video and whose identity anyone who knows anything about this case seems to know. She doesn't name him either but confirms he lived in Nairn at the time of the murder and worked for the emergency services. She states he is linked to Andy Burnet on social media. His neighbours said he was a regular at the Havelock and two of them mentioned that he kept guns in his house (from 19 mins 30 secs).

This is David James Smith's Sunday Times article from 2005: https://archive.is/bJJo9

In other comments I have read that apart from Veronica nobody saw the killer. But according to Smith "Two witnesses came forward to say they had seen two men talking on the doorstep of 10 Crescent Road around the time of the shooting." and he mentions two other very interesting sightings - not the bus/bus stop ones.

"The first was a woman driver on nearby Marine Road, which Crescent Road leads into, who had turned and looked at a pedestrian walking towards Crescent Road around 6.55 pm....she saw a stranger, a white man of stocky build wearing dark clothing and something over his head, perhaps a hood. He had a weathered, possibly European-type appearance. He was in his mid-thirties and had his hands in his pockets. The police called this a highly significant sighting. It could be the killer on the way to the killing."

"The other sighting was by an elderly couple walking on Marine Road, towards Crescent Road, when a man came running out of Crescent Road, nearly bowling them over as he passed them." There was a dispute between the couple as to the timing of this sighting."

Oddly Peter Bleksley in his book claims there were no witnesses. I am basing this on my reading of the free snippet you can read on Amazon. From the first paragraph of Chapter Three:

"It must have been hugely frustrating to the police that no living person apart from Veronica Wilson could testify to seeing the baseball-cap wearing gunman on Crescent Road."

What about the "Two witnesses [who] came forward to say they had seen two men talking on the doorstep of 10 Crescent Road around the time of the shooting" that Smith mentioned in his 2005 article? Very strange.

In his 2005 article Smith also mentions the decking dispute:

"Andy Burnet was briefly a suspect, when the police discovered that Alistair had complained about some decking Andy was putting in the car park of his pub, opposite 10 Crescent Road.

By chance, the council's letter informing Andy of Alistair's objection had been delivered to Andy the day before the killing. Friends called Andy from his former home in Guernsey to say the police had been there interviewing them, asking whether he ever got angry."

The above article is essential reading as it has a lot of detail not given elsewhere.

More info on the emergency worker suspect.

This article states that the suspect the police wanted to arrest may not have been the killer:

"Cops are understood to be building a case against a suspect who was jailed for an unrelated crime.

A source close to the probe told the paper: "There is a theory that this man, if not the person who pulled the trigger, could have supplied the weapon.

"The source added: "This man was also known for carrying knives. If he’s involved he knows the answers as to why Alistair was killed and who is behind it.""


This article mentions a link to a "Paul" - remember Bleksley said he was a relative of the suspect:

"The prime suspect in the 20-year unsolved murder of Nairn banker Alistair Wilson can be linked to a person whose name matches that on the envelope used to lure the victim to his death.

We told this year that police were set, in May last year, to arrest a suspect before the operation was aborted at the last moment, much to the distress of Mr Wilson’s family.

It can now be revealed that the suspect, who has still never been detained for questioning, can be closely linked to a man named Paul, which sources say adds possible weight to the case to detain him."


This article explains why the rozzers couldn't arrest the suspect:

"We told previously how police had planned to arrest a suspect in May last year so they could be detained for questioning.

However, the arrest was abandoned at the last moment, much to the distress of Mr Wilson’s family, leading to the inquiry hitting a complete impasse.

It can now be disclosed that prosecutors who assessed the latest police probe raised more than 150 ‘points of concern’ requiring potential follow-up action.

It meant senior Crown Office officials felt they had no option but to order a fresh investigation, involving an entirely new police team, in a move which has potentially set the hunt for the killer back years and caused huge distress to Mr Wilson’s family.

A source said: ‘There were more than 150 queries and points which raised concern and it indicated that a great deal of work still required to be carried out.’"


This article details the Wilson family's reaction to the collapse of the arrest plan:

"Mr Wilson’s family have declined to comment. However, a source close to them said: ‘Alistair’s family were left in a state of extreme distress at the way this was handled.

‘They are desperate for a breakthrough and thought it was coming. It is difficult to overstate the distress and disappointment they felt when it was scrapped at the last moment.

‘They are not naive and realise an arrest might only have been the beginning of a new stage in the inquiry, and that it didn’t mean charges would definitely follow.

‘However, they believed, and still do, that it would have helped move things forward and that it was absolutely necessary in order to formally question the suspect.

‘All they want is for the killer to be caught. To do that, they believe this man should have been arrested and questioned, in order that he is ruled out or otherwise.’"


This article indicates that Bleksley knew about the suspect in 2022:

"It was only two months ago that I spotted the headline which screamed 'Police have new man in sights over banker shooting.' This wasn't news to me because months earlier, in the summer, a number of trusted sources had passed this man's name to me, explaining how they'd been asked by detectives what they knew about him.

His identity was becoming the worst kept secret in Nairn."


Meanwhile the clueless Prof David Wilson continues, against all the evidence, to insist that this was the work of a professional "Master" hitman. From a 2024 article:

"But on the latest anniversary of the assassination in Nairn, Inverness-shire, Scots criminologist Professor David Wilson slammed officers over their handling of the cold case.

He is adamant the killing was carried out by a professional hired to gun down the HBOS bank manager — meaning repeated public appeals for information are pointless.

Alistair, 30, had been set to leave his job for a role with a research and consultancy business when he was murdered, which Professor Wilson believes is key to solving the mystery."


"A leading criminologist has said there is nothing in the Alistair Wilson doorstep murder case that he has heard in the last few months that he has not known for five years.

David Wilson, professor of criminology at Birmingham City University, said the lack of eye-witness e-fits of the murderer, as well as lack of information on Mr Wilson’s banking connections leaves questions unanswered.

Professor Wilson told BBC Radio Scotland that everything recently released by police is more “PR” than criminal investigation."


This is the same guy who believes that Jill Dando was killed by a Serbian "Master" hitman.

David old nut. You don't know what you are talking about. As a previous commenter on this thread said, a criminologist is NOT a detective. Damn right!

In a ludicrously sensationalist piece another "amateur sleuth", Nate Campbell, teamed up with one Douglas Dickie to rubbish the current police investigation, insisting the "hit" was to do with Alistair's job at the bank.

"When a stranger rings your doorbell on a dark November night – envelope in one hand, gun in the other – you can be sure he has not popped round to sell you raffle tickets. The envelope is the carrot, the gun is the stick.

And when this malevolent doorstep presence shows up mere weeks before you are jacking in your job in banking, a job involving serious amounts of money-lending to corporate entities, then you can also be sure that the timing of the stranger’s visit is not coincidental."

Agree about the raffle tickets Nate. But your writing skills are abysmal and you don't understand the nature of coincidences.

"What a surprise, then, when senior detectives junketed off to Canada a few months ago to interview the hotel’s former owner who had subsequently emigrated to that corner of the world. Might that little street squabble over hotel decking in 2004 have been a catalyst for murder, after all?

Did he decide that killing the complainant would be an appropriate response to a tiny bureaucratic dispute over retrospective Planning permission? It is palpable nonsense and everyone knows it."

"Everyone" knows you are full of it Nate.

He does however talk about a scenario not too dissimilar to my own brief hypothesis as outlined in a previous comment:

"This background figure “Paul” clearly wants something from Alistair. That is why Alistair has been handed an empty envelope. He is expected to put something in it before it is returned to “Paul.” Documents? A cheque? Cash?...

But Alistair cannot, or will not, comply. The envelope remains empty. That is why he is executed. That is why the gunman did not kill him at the first sighting. It was the final opportunity for him to accede to the demands he was presented with that night by the unwelcome stranger on his doorstep."

It's just that Nate thinks it is to do with his job at the bank, like David Wilson.

Some mothers do 'ave 'em!

 
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Okay. Hands up. When I woke up on the day I posted my three previous comments I had never heard of the murder of Alistair Wilson.

So today I skimmed through all the comments on this thread and found a lot of useful info and links.

A link to the article about the person of interest that Bleksley mentioned but wouldn't name (that I linked) was originally posted here in 2022 and the possible connection with Ayr was mentioned by one commenter. I also found the suspect named on various other sites such as comments on YouTube and Reddit. So I am by no means the first person to figure out who this is. It would seem it is common knowledge locally. But this info wasn't taken up by many Websleuths commenters or those on other forums.

This 2022 BBC TV report by Fiona Walker is required viewing for anyone interested in the case:

It has an interview with Veronica in which she states that she has to be careful what she says as she has information that other people might not know (from 14 mins 20 secs).

There is also an interesting section about Andy Burnet (he is also spelt Burnett in some articles). He told Sunday Times journalist David James Smith in 2005 that there was something a little off-key about the couple because they never opened their front door and kept their curtains closed. "It's like they've got something to hide". Fiona Walker suggests it might have been because pub customers were staring into their windows. Burnet also told the Sunday Times that he had been a focus of the police enquiry (from 15 mins 14 secs).

Walker also mentions the specific person of interest that Bleksley mentions in the recent video and whose identity anyone who knows anything about this case seems to know. She doesn't name him either but confirms he lived in Nairn at the time of the murder and worked for the emergency services. She states he is linked to Andy Burnet on social media. His neighbours said he was a regular at the Havelock and two of them mentioned that he kept guns in his house (from 19 mins 30 secs).

This is David James Smith's Sunday Times article from 2005: https://archive.is/bJJo9

In other comments I have read that apart from Veronica nobody saw the killer. But according to Smith "Two witnesses came forward to say they had seen two men talking on the doorstep of 10 Crescent Road around the time of the shooting." and he mentions two other very interesting sightings - not the bus/bus stop ones.

"The first was a woman driver on nearby Marine Road, which Crescent Road leads into, who had turned and looked at a pedestrian walking towards Crescent Road around 6.55 pm....she saw a stranger, a white man of stocky build wearing dark clothing and something over his head, perhaps a hood. He had a weathered, possibly European-type appearance. He was in his mid-thirties and had his hands in his pockets. The police called this a highly significant sighting. It could be the killer on the way to the killing."

"The other sighting was by an elderly couple walking on Marine Road, towards Crescent Road, when a man came running out of Crescent Road, nearly bowling them over as he passed them." There was a dispute between the couple as to the timing of this sighting."

Oddly Peter Bleksley in his book claims there were no witnesses. I am basing this on my reading of the free snippet you can read on Amazon. From the first paragraph of Chapter Three:

"It must have been hugely frustrating to the police that no living person apart from Veronica Wilson could testify to seeing the baseball-cap wearing gunman on Crescent Road."

What about the "Two witnesses [who] came forward to say they had seen two men talking on the doorstep of 10 Crescent Road around the time of the shooting" that Smith mentioned in his 2005 article? Very strange.

In his 2005 article Smith also mentions the decking dispute:

"Andy Burnet was briefly a suspect, when the police discovered that Alistair had complained about some decking Andy was putting in the car park of his pub, opposite 10 Crescent Road.

By chance, the council's letter informing Andy of Alistair's objection had been delivered to Andy the day before the killing. Friends called Andy from his former home in Guernsey to say the police had been there interviewing them, asking whether he ever got angry."

The above article is essential reading as it has a lot of detail not given elsewhere.

More info on the emergency worker suspect.

This article states that the suspect the police wanted to arrest may not have been the killer:

"Cops are understood to be building a case against a suspect who was jailed for an unrelated crime.

A source close to the probe told the paper: "There is a theory that this man, if not the person who pulled the trigger, could have supplied the weapon.

"The source added: "This man was also known for carrying knives. If he’s involved he knows the answers as to why Alistair was killed and who is behind it.""


This article mentions a link to a "Paul" - remember Bleksley said he was a relative of the suspect:

"The prime suspect in the 20-year unsolved murder of Nairn banker Alistair Wilson can be linked to a person whose name matches that on the envelope used to lure the victim to his death.

We told this year that police were set, in May last year, to arrest a suspect before the operation was aborted at the last moment, much to the distress of Mr Wilson’s family.

It can now be revealed that the suspect, who has still never been detained for questioning, can be closely linked to a man named Paul, which sources say adds possible weight to the case to detain him."


This article explains why the rozzers couldn't arrest the suspect:

"We told previously how police had planned to arrest a suspect in May last year so they could be detained for questioning.

However, the arrest was abandoned at the last moment, much to the distress of Mr Wilson’s family, leading to the inquiry hitting a complete impasse.

It can now be disclosed that prosecutors who assessed the latest police probe raised more than 150 ‘points of concern’ requiring potential follow-up action.

It meant senior Crown Office officials felt they had no option but to order a fresh investigation, involving an entirely new police team, in a move which has potentially set the hunt for the killer back years and caused huge distress to Mr Wilson’s family.

A source said: ‘There were more than 150 queries and points which raised concern and it indicated that a great deal of work still required to be carried out.’"


This article details the Wilson family's reaction to the collapse of the arrest plan:

"Mr Wilson’s family have declined to comment. However, a source close to them said: ‘Alistair’s family were left in a state of extreme distress at the way this was handled.

‘They are desperate for a breakthrough and thought it was coming. It is difficult to overstate the distress and disappointment they felt when it was scrapped at the last moment.

‘They are not naive and realise an arrest might only have been the beginning of a new stage in the inquiry, and that it didn’t mean charges would definitely follow.

‘However, they believed, and still do, that it would have helped move things forward and that it was absolutely necessary in order to formally question the suspect.

‘All they want is for the killer to be caught. To do that, they believe this man should have been arrested and questioned, in order that he is ruled out or otherwise.’"


This article indicates that Bleksley knew about the suspect in 2022:

"It was only two months ago that I spotted the headline which screamed 'Police have new man in sights over banker shooting.' This wasn't news to me because months earlier, in the summer, a number of trusted sources had passed this man's name to me, explaining how they'd been asked by detectives what they knew about him.

His identity was becoming the worst kept secret in Nairn."


Meanwhile the clueless Prof David Wilson continues, against all the evidence, to insist that this was the work of a professional "Master" hitman. From a 2024 article:

"But on the latest anniversary of the assassination in Nairn, Inverness-shire, Scots criminologist Professor David Wilson slammed officers over their handling of the cold case.

He is adamant the killing was carried out by a professional hired to gun down the HBOS bank manager — meaning repeated public appeals for information are pointless.

Alistair, 30, had been set to leave his job for a role with a research and consultancy business when he was murdered, which Professor Wilson believes is key to solving the mystery."


"A leading criminologist has said there is nothing in the Alistair Wilson doorstep murder case that he has heard in the last few months that he has not known for five years.

David Wilson, professor of criminology at Birmingham City University, said the lack of eye-witness e-fits of the murderer, as well as lack of information on Mr Wilson’s banking connections leaves questions unanswered.

Professor Wilson told BBC Radio Scotland that everything recently released by police is more “PR” than criminal investigation."


This is the same guy who believes that Jill Dando was killed by a Serbian "Master" hitman.

David old nut. You don't know what you are talking about. As a previous commenter on this thread said, a criminologist is NOT a detective. Damn right!

In a ludicrously sensationalist piece another "amateur sleuth", Nate Campbell, teamed up with one Douglas Dickie to rubbish the current police investigation, insisting the "hit" was to do with Alistair's job at the bank.

"When a stranger rings your doorbell on a dark November night – envelope in one hand, gun in the other – you can be sure he has not popped round to sell you raffle tickets. The envelope is the carrot, the gun is the stick.

And when this malevolent doorstep presence shows up mere weeks before you are jacking in your job in banking, a job involving serious amounts of money-lending to corporate entities, then you can also be sure that the timing of the stranger’s visit is not coincidental."

Agree about the raffle tickets Nate. But your writing skills are abysmal and you don't understand the nature of coincidences.

"What a surprise, then, when senior detectives junketed off to Canada a few months ago to interview the hotel’s former owner who had subsequently emigrated to that corner of the world. Might that little street squabble over hotel decking in 2004 have been a catalyst for murder, after all?

Did he decide that killing the complainant would be an appropriate response to a tiny bureaucratic dispute over retrospective Planning permission? It is palpable nonsense and everyone knows it."

"Everyone" knows you are full of it Nate.

He does however talk about a scenario not too dissimilar to my own brief hypothesis as outlined in a previous comment:

"This background figure “Paul” clearly wants something from Alistair. That is why Alistair has been handed an empty envelope. He is expected to put something in it before it is returned to “Paul.” Documents? A cheque? Cash?...

But Alistair cannot, or will not, comply. The envelope remains empty. That is why he is executed. That is why the gunman did not kill him at the first sighting. It was the final opportunity for him to accede to the demands he was presented with that night by the unwelcome stranger on his doorstep."

It's just that Nate thinks it is to do with his job at the bank, like David Wilson.

Some mothers do 'ave 'em!

Thanks Steve. Brilliant work. Great effort, typing all this out, with links etc I will work my way through everything,

Thanks again.
 
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A builder puts decking in and assures the hotel owner it won't need planning permission. It turns out that it does need permission. The hotel owner tells the builder that, if he doesn't get retrospective permission, the builder will have to remove it and refund the amount the owner paid. Disaster for the builder.

Someone goes to AW and asks him to write a letter withdrawing his objection. But why give him an envelope and why write "Paul" on it? Did the murderer threaten AW when he first saw AW and gave him the envelope? (Could the murderer have just picked up an envelope lying around at home and "Paul" was nothing to do with the murder, but was just the recipient of a birthday or Christmas card previously?)

Some accounts say that, when AW returned to his wife and showed her the envelope, he seemed puzzled and said he would see if the caller was still at the door. When AW did not cooperate, why kill him? Would the death of the planning permission objector change the outcome of the planning application? Or, did the murderer believe this to be the case? Did the murderer kill AW just out of anger because he didn't cooperate?

If the police knew about the planning issue from the start, why do they only recently seem to have treated this as the reason for the murder? Or, have they always thought this and only recently explained this?

Although we are told that people have been murdered for less, murder seems totally an over reaction. The murderer is facing 25 years in prison for murder with a great deal of premeditation.
 
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Although we are told that people have been murdered for less, murder seems totally an over reaction. The murderer is facing 25 years in prison for murder with a great deal of premeditation.

Maybe the killer was simply insane. "Insane" does not mean that he was not capable of planning or not in control of his actions, but that he had a narrative in his head that made sense to him and his actions made absolute sense to him, even if they seem irrational or nonsensical to everyone else.

Could the murderer have just picked up an envelope lying around at home and "Paul" was nothing to do with the murder, but was just the recipient of a birthday or Christmas card previously?)

The blue envelope was the size, shape and colour of a birthday card or greetings card envelope and people do tend to write the name of the recipients of those cards on the envelopes so yeah, this is a very good theory. The killer just picked up what he found to hand without really thinking it through.
 
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A builder puts decking in and assures the hotel owner it won't need planning permission. It turns out that it does need permission. The hotel owner tells the builder that, if he doesn't get retrospective permission, the builder will have to remove it and refund the amount the owner paid. Disaster for the builder.

Someone goes to AW and asks him to write a letter withdrawing his objection. But why give him an envelope and why write "Paul" on it? Did the murderer threaten AW when he first saw AW and gave him the envelope? (Could the murderer have just picked up an envelope lying around at home and "Paul" was nothing to do with the murder, but was just the recipient of a birthday or Christmas card previously?)

Some accounts say that, when AW returned to his wife and showed her the envelope, he seemed puzzled and said he would see if the caller was still at the door. When AW did not cooperate, why kill him? Would the death of the planning permission objector change the outcome of the planning application? Or, did the murderer believe this to be the case? Did the murderer kill AW just out of anger because he didn't cooperate?

If the police knew about the planning issue from the start, why do they only recently seem to have treated this as the reason for the murder? Or, have they always thought this and only recently explained this?

Although we are told that people have been murdered for less, murder seems totally an over reaction. The murderer is facing 25 years in prison for murder with a great deal of premeditation.

I think the theory regarding the envelope is that Alistair was supposed to place money in it to compensate the pub and/or the builder(s). The envelope was barely big enough to hold a birthday card with a £20 note inside, but I suppose it’s possible it just happened to be lying around, as you say.

It does seem a stretch to think this was related to a planning dispute but if the killer had been drinking (in the pub?) that day then perhaps they weren’t thinking properly and came up with a back of a f*g packet kind of ‘plan’, without really considering what they’d do if Alistair refused to comply. If the killer had little to no impulse control I can see how things quickly got out of hand.
 
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A builder puts decking in and assures the hotel owner it won't need planning permission. It turns out that it does need permission. The hotel owner tells the builder that, if he doesn't get retrospective permission, the builder will have to remove it and refund the amount the owner paid. Disaster for the builder.

Someone goes to AW and asks him to write a letter withdrawing his objection. But why give him an envelope and why write "Paul" on it? Did the murderer threaten AW when he first saw AW and gave him the envelope? (Could the murderer have just picked up an envelope lying around at home and "Paul" was nothing to do with the murder, but was just the recipient of a birthday or Christmas card previously?)

Some accounts say that, when AW returned to his wife and showed her the envelope, he seemed puzzled and said he would see if the caller was still at the door. When AW did not cooperate, why kill him? Would the death of the planning permission objector change the outcome of the planning application? Or, did the murderer believe this to be the case? Did the murderer kill AW just out of anger because he didn't cooperate?

If the police knew about the planning issue from the start, why do they only recently seem to have treated this as the reason for the murder? Or, have they always thought this and only recently explained this?

Although we are told that people have been murdered for less, murder seems totally an over reaction. The murderer is facing 25 years in prison for murder with a great deal of premeditation.
Thanks for your reply and your potential scenario A lot of cut and paste in my earlier comment but it still takes ages to organise such a posting. I have been contacted by a "source" who knew the emergency worker suspect and they have provided some very interesting info. I'm waiting for them to get back to me. The bloke involved sounds like a rogue to say the least. He might have been the younger of the two men seen on the beach with a gun a couple of days earlier, but not the killer.

It might seem like a trivial affair to murder someone over but "the banality of evil" and all that. Most killings aren't glamorous James Bond style assassinations. I think there was more to this than a decking dispute. There seems to have been bad blood between AW and several others in the town, not least Havelock landlord AB, a friend of the police suspect.

As we only have Veronica's account to go on we can't be sure that the version of events we have is 100% accurate but if AW did come back into the house after speaking to the killer it doesn't seem like an act of premeditated murder. My theory, which I outlined briefly on Sunday, is that AW was supposed to put something in the envelope for the builders but when he went back outside there was an altercation and he was shot. On the other hand perhaps AW gave him what he wanted and so he killed him as he was of no further use.

I am trying to find out more about this man called "Paul". As for the rozzers it seems like they bungled it from the start.

Another intriguing "doorstep" case is the Elizabeth Barraza shooting in Texas. She was shot on her drive four times. The perpetrator was caught on CCTV and is dressed like a woman. That one does look more like a hired hitman but nobody can work out who ordered it, although some suspect the husband or a relative of his. Others think it was Star Wars connected!
 
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If the killer had little to no impulse control I can see how things quickly got out of hand.

I think this is key.

This case has suffered, IMO, from the "big things require big explanations" fallacy.

A family man was gunned down on his doorstep in a quiet village = must be a big explanation for it.

But people have been killed for a lot, lot less than arguments and disputes over planning permission. These things might seem like a small explanation for a dramatic crime like this, but people get very upset and emotional over these issues and if the killer has very poor impulse control and is mentally unwell (as could be the case) then what happened is not so very unbelievable. Sad and tragic and shocking yes.
 
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I think the theory regarding the envelope is that Alistair was supposed to place money in it to compensate the pub and/or the builder(s). The envelope was barely big enough to hold a birthday card with a £20 note inside, but I suppose it’s possible it just happened to be lying around, as you say.
If this was a genuine 'pay Paul what you owe him or else you're dead' thing, I can see how a special, unique envelope would be used, as a sign this was the real deal, and maybe so the hit man wouldn't get his envelopes mixed up.

I recall one podcaster noting that the name Alistair Wilson can't be all that unusual in Scotland, and perhaps someone had got the wrong one. There was a case in Houston once, where 2 women named Mary Morris were killed within days of each other, and most people believe a hitman got the wrong one first.

Or possibly, the message to pay Paul when the envelope arrived hadn't been received by the victim?

I think people are just as likely to mess up a bribery/murder plot, as they are to mess up other schemes.

JMO
 
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Or possibly, the message to pay Paul when the envelope arrived hadn't been received by the victim?
Yes. Even at that time, a lot of people would not have much cash in their house: not enough to compensate a builder for having to refund a customer.

But the retrospective planning permission had not been turned down at that stage, so a builder demanding compensation would have jumped the gun somewhat. Also, a builder who had messed up by not getting planning permission would have little ground for complaint against someone objecting to a retrospective application.

If he had previously threatened AW over this, he would have run the risk that AW would contact the police. If he just turned up on the doorstep and demanded "compensation", AW could have phoned the police at that time. (It seems AW went back into the house and shut the door on the caller for a while.) Even if AW had complied and handed over cash, he could have called the police later: demanding money with menaces.
 
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The retrospective planning issue is a red herring IMO. People don't get whacked for letters of objection. Was AW's the only objection? The Planning Authority did not order the removal of the development which did not have planning permission or, presumably, building control approval, so I think the retrospective PP would have been a foregone conclusion. In any event, AW's objection did not have sufficient weight to affect the outcome. MOO
 
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Yes. Even at that time, a lot of people would not have much cash in their house: not enough to compensate a builder for having to refund a customer.

But the retrospective planning permission had not been turned down at that stage, so a builder demanding compensation would have jumped the gun somewhat. Also, a builder who had messed up by not getting planning permission would have little ground for complaint against someone objecting to a retrospective application.

If he had previously threatened AW over this, he would have run the risk that AW would contact the police. If he just turned up on the doorstep and demanded "compensation", AW could have phoned the police at that time. (It seems AW went back into the house and shut the door on the caller for a while.) Even if AW had complied and handed over cash, he could have called the police later: demanding money with menaces.
I agree. Unless Alistair had already agreed to pay or hand over something to Paul, the whole envelope business seems pointless and risky. As you say, what if his response was to not reopen the door, and call someone for help when the strange guy wouldn't leave?

Also, although I'm not an expert on organized crime (which this resembles), I recall some cases/articles about the reality of it - and anyone who has a secret, so that they don't want to call police for protection, will meet in a busy place, or do a drop somewhere and then say where it is, or have their own gun or backup with them, before they hand anything over - simply because of the risk of being killed even after they comply with instructions.

I think the behaviour with the envelope is evidence that has to be explained in any theory, and I'd prioritize it over other, more guess-like theories.

JMO
 
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I recall one podcaster noting that the name Alistair Wilson can't be all that unusual in Scotland, and perhaps someone had got the wrong one.

I believe I’ve read previously that there were actually other AWs working for Bank of Scotland, but it doesn’t seem like anyone had a reason to want them dead either.

The home they owned can’t have been cheap - it used to be a hotel and the Wilsons ran it as such for a time, or at least the restaurant side of things anyway, but it didn’t seem to work out. Alistair had a decent job but I’ve always wondered how stretched the family’s finances were at the time, though police apparently found nothing amiss there.


Regarding the pub dispute, people in small towns can be quite loyal to their locals, certainly back in the day my old local had a tight knit group of regulars and they didn’t take kindly to outsiders. They didn’t kindly to us drinking in other pubs in the village either. Most were perfectly fine people but one or two were best avoided after a few beers. It’s a stretch but I can see an inebriated young lad with access to a weapon deciding to teach the ‘posh’ banker across the street a lesson for complaining about ‘his’ pub.

I think the envelope confuses matters but maybe it was just a ruse (deliberate or otherwise). If the gun had led police to the killer we’d arguably have no need to work out exactly what the envelope was all about, so in some ways perhaps it should be disregarded, but it’s such a tantalising clue in a case with very few of those.
 
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I believe I’ve read previously that there were actually other AWs working for Bank of Scotland, but it doesn’t seem like anyone had a reason to want them dead either.

The home they owned can’t have been cheap - it used to be a hotel and the Wilsons ran it as such for a time, or at least the restaurant side of things anyway, but it didn’t seem to work out. Alistair had a decent job but I’ve always wondered how stretched the family’s finances were at the time, though police apparently found nothing amiss there.


Regarding the pub dispute, people in small towns can be quite loyal to their locals, certainly back in the day my old local had a tight knit group of regulars and they didn’t take kindly to outsiders. They didn’t kindly to us drinking in other pubs in the village either. Most were perfectly fine people but one or two were best avoided after a few beers. It’s a stretch but I can see an inebriated young lad with access to a weapon deciding to teach the ‘posh’ banker across the street a lesson for complaining about ‘his’ pub.

I think the envelope confuses matters but maybe it was just a ruse (deliberate or otherwise). If the gun had led police to the killer we’d arguably have no need to work out exactly what the envelope was all about, so in some ways perhaps it should be disregarded, but it’s such a tantalising clue in a case with very few of those.
I'm no crime historian but I think the envelope is probably the best distraction laid by a killer I have heard of in real life, or the movies. It's Columbo-esque, and is a like a "venus sleuth-trap" to us amateurs in it's irresistibility.

But I hope the Police gave sufficient thought to either it's intention, or whether it even existed in the first place.
 
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I think the envelope and the two stage process have contributed massively to this case's notoriety.
 
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I think the envelope confuses matters but maybe it was just a ruse (deliberate or otherwise). If the gun had led police to the killer we’d arguably have no need to work out exactly what the envelope was all about, so in some ways perhaps it should be disregarded, but it’s such a tantalising clue in a case with very few of those.
I favour the behaviour-profiling approach to crime, which emphasizes that the behaviour of the criminal (and the victim) tell the story of their states of mind, what their intentions were and why. You do have to look at the whole of the behaviour, and understand common motives for crime.

iMO, this killer was not playing games. He went straight to the house, took just the actions of handing over the prepared envelope directly to AW, waited for AW to return, and shot him when, presumably, AW handed back an empty envelope.

He didn't offer any ruses or excuses like, I'm collecting on behalf of this, or I'm here to pick up that...he behaved as though this was a completely straightforward transaction. IMO, he expected AW to know what the envelope meant, and didn't shoot until AW came back with nothing in it. He wasn't interested in the possibility AW was confused - meaning, IMO, he was very sure that AW did know what the envelope meant.

He was then calm and collected enough to disappear and get rid of the weapon.

So although I agree the envelope business is confusing to sleuths, IMO that does not mean the killer was, himself, confused. IMO he knew perfectly well what he was doing and why: it is we who are confused.

JMO
 
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But I hope the Police gave sufficient thought to either it's intention, or whether it even existed in the first place.
I can't say for sure about police, but to me this looks on the surface like the behaviour of some criminal organization. Some big cheese named Paul sends his hired gun to collect on a debt, with instructions to kill if the debt isn't paid.

On reflection, the problem with it is that serious criminal organizations don't leave their victims dead on their doorsteps, after having shown themselves and spoken to his wife. They usually make their victim's disappear.

There is an unsolved murder in Canada where police seem to believe an innocent woman was killed in a setup by an organized drug kingpin, as both retribution because she might have been a snitch, but mainly as a warning to others not to snitch. The drug ring was in the process of being busted in another part of the country. But, of course, her murder made big headlines everywhere and she was known to some of those involved.

An old case I recently followed was about the disappearance and presumed murder of a wealthy older woman in the US. Police eventually came to believe it was because an organized crime group were afraid she might go to police about being cheated, and their boss was just about to be parolled. Any suspicion that he was running his criminal enterprise from jail would immediate revoke his chance to get out of prison. A key part of the plot was, they knew she hadn't yet gone to police because, otherwise, police would have been suspicious when she disappeared. And, of course, she might never have made a criminal complaint. It was pure paranoia on the part of the crime boss.

In general, I'd say this murder has no behavioural elements of passion or the emotional investment of a serial killer type. To me, it says organized crime, and OC has it's own, entirely ruthless reasons for killing people.

As to whether AW's wife invented the story, IMO it seems very implausible she would draw attention to her own involvement. IMO, a spousal hit would be arranged to happen elsewhere, or when the spouse wasn't home....

JMO
 
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I think the envelope and the two stage process have contributed massively to this case's notoriety.
Yes, however the killer couldn't know AW would show the envelope to his wife.
 
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Yes, however the killer couldn't know AW would show the envelope to his wife.
Unless of course the killer asked AW to show the envelope to his wife
 
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Unless of course the killer asked AW to show the envelope to his wife
What's even odder to me is that going by the recorded events of that night so far, the killer had no expectation of getting the envelope back anyway. At least not that night.
 

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