Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #2 *M. Bridger guilty*

[jigzy]

Interesting fact (to me at least) I ran across when looking at info about this area of UK:

Robert Plant who wrote Stairway to Heaven was born in a cottage in April's town.

Not sure that he was born here but certainly spent time at Bron-yr-Aur. Many musicians, artists, etc. bought homes in Wales around that time. Remote cottages = privacy to smoke whatever and do whatever in peace. Jmo. Many well known 'household names' still live in the area.

 

[MidwestMama]

what isnt logical is police telling you your child is dead and you keep hoping this isnt not true....unless police DO NOT HAVE THE EVIDENCE, IMO the family should be told what the evidence is

I agree that hoping she is alive after being told she is dead is not logical. However, it is understandable. Put yourself in their shoes... I know I would cling to any shred of hope for as long as my mind would allow it. It is a protective measure their mind uses to protect them from the horrific pain. Just as many in horrible situations, (ie: 911, Colorado movie theater shooting, terrible car accidents or traumas, etc) cannot remember what happened. They were there... if you demand logic they SHOULD remember... however, the mind is an amazing organ and does all it can to protect us from that we cannot bear.

I'm sure we all wish the police could tell the parents the evidence in order to ease their minds, however, it has been said over and over that they are not allowed to, with good reason (putting conviction in jeapordy). So we can wish they could tell them but it isn't going to happen.

Saying the police should tell them or they have no evidence is illogical as we know they CAN NOT tell them.

 

[jigzy]

what isnt logical is police telling you your child is dead and you keep hoping this isnt not true....unless police DO NOT HAVE THE EVIDENCE, IMO the family should be told what the evidence is

Love and logic rarely go together. The LE say they have evidence. You say otherwise. Now that's not logical. Jmo.

 

[bijoux]

I still think the key lies with the parent's school meeting.

I believe MB went to the school to verify AJ's parents were still there, so he'd have an opportunity to snatch AJ without them being home at the time.
In other words: pre-meditated.

 

[Clutchbag]

To parents of a child, the evidence will be April's body, nothing less.

so that means the family dont believe the police

 

[Cappuccino]

so that means the family dont believe the police

Effectively, yes. That doesn't mean the family are right though.

 

[dandan08]

I believe MB went to the school to verify AJ's parents were still there, so he'd have an opportunity to snatch AJ without them being home at the time.
In other words: pre-meditated.

They were home. They were at the school at 3:30pm, MB was at the school later, the times did not overlap.

 

[MidwestMama]

Not sure that he was born here but certainly spent time at Bron-yr-Aur. Many musicians, artists, etc. bought homes in Wales around that time. Remote cottages = privacy to smoke whatever and do whatever in peace. Jmo. Many well known 'household names' still live in the area.

Thank you. I think you are right. Another site (wiki) states that he was living in a cottage in Bron-yr-Aur when he wrote Stairway to Heaven.

 

[cluciano63]

so that means the family dont believe the police

Quite possibly, they are not allowing themselves to believe the police. Their brains are not taking it in. I'm not sure what you want them to be told; for example, that there was "x" quarts of her blood around the house, or brain tissue found? They can't tell them those things, but they could be the case. They are asking the parents to believe them, but they can't force them to do so. In the meantime, they are trying to locate April's body, both for the family and community, as well as for the case.

 

[bijoux]

They were home. They were at the school at 3:30pm, MB was at the school later, the times did not overlap.

Oops, where did I get that info from?
Do you have a verified timeline, dandan?

 

[Clutchbag]

Effectively, yes. That doesn't mean the family are right though.

Yes well we dont know the police are right either
i dont trust that detectivesmacks of wanting to to catch someone at all odds

 

[imamaze]

Ok, lets just agree to disagree about April's parents, and what we believe Law enforcement has told them and move on.

:tyou:

 

[Cappuccino]

Yes well we dont know the police are right either
i dont trust that detectivesmacks of wantkng to catch someone at all odds

The police's decision to charge someone is subjected to checks and balances - rules of evidence, the oversight of the CPS, etc. I'm not saying that makes them right, I'm a firm believer in innocent till proven guilty.

However, the family's belief that their beloved child is still alive is subjected to no evidentiary scrutiny and therefore the two beliefs are not equal in credibility.

 

[MidwestMama]

Yes well we dont know the police are right either
i dont trust that detectivesmacks of wanting to to catch someone at all odds

I believe you have made your point. Others have tried over and over to explain why that line of thinking doesn't make sense to them, but you still feel the same way. That is fine. It is your opinion. But I don't see a value in going around and around about it. You don't believe the police have evidence. Others do. It is what it is, a difference of opinion.

 

[imamaze]

Yes well we dont know the police are right either
i dont trust that detectivesmacks of wanting to to catch someone at all odds

No we don't and won't know until the trial. We are a law enforcement friendly site, so we don't accuse police of doing this without any evidence whatsoever.

Ima

 

[ozgirl70]

so that means the family dont believe the police

To me it means they hope the police are wrong. And that they refuse to give up hope until they have to. As any parent would.


JMO

 

[Clutchbag]

Quite possibly, they are not allowing themselves to believe the police. Their brains are not taking it in. I'm not sure what you want them to be told; for example, that there was "x" quarts of her blood around the house, or brain tissue found? They can't tell them those things, but they could be the case. They are asking the parents to believe them, but they can't force them to do so. In the meantime, they are trying to locate April's body, both for the family and community, as well as for the case.

i do not want them to be told of x quarts of blood, just a statement that they KNOW their chikd was killed is that too much to ask? In a MURDER charge??

 

[dandan08]

Oops, where did I get that info from?
Do you have a verified timeline, dandan?

I can't find where I originally read it (Sky News I think) but it's been posted here at 16:44

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oct/05/april-jones-search-day-five-live

 

[Dr. Know?]

The police didn't charge MB with murder because he had beady eyes...or looked funny. I also can't see them telling the family they found April's blood all over his house or whatever the evidence is. Mom will deal with it in time, bless her heart. Not everyone knows the legal process, nor what is needed for a murder charge to stick. As a parent, first being told, I would hold out hope until reality of it all could be understood. Bits at a time.

 

[imamaze]

i do not want them to be told of x quarts of blood, just a statement that they KNOW their chikd was killed is that too much to ask? In a MURDER charge??

Clutchbag, I already put up a warning to stop this line of discussion. You have a right to your opinion as does everyone here. We will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Hopefully we will know that they know soon.

Ima