Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #3 *M. Bridger guilty*

[UKgirl]

Do you live nearby, UKgirl?

No other side of the country. I have followed this case from the mnute paril went missing. My knowledge is from what I have learnt from the case.

 

[Inge Jones]

I know what you mean, but in this case the fact that they haven't found April, yet are clearly certain that she is dead, suggests to me that the evidence they have is decisive.

Assuming Portuguese police are not a different species from the UK police, they were convinced Madeleine McCann was dead from a very early stage - and we now know they had *no* evidence other than a sniffer dog getting interested in a scent.

 

[veggiefan]

I just had a question and that is why AJ's father hasn't been on any media, I can't find a single photo or video of him. I thought he would have been with his wife especially during the press conference appeals?

It was reported that he has a degenerative eye disease and is fearful that he is going blind. This would certainly account for him wanting to stay away from television lights and photographers' flashlights.

 

[Inge Jones]

I don't blame Paul Jones wanting nothing to do with press conferences. So often, the people in them end up accused of, ( or suspected of by the public) the crime.

 

[UKgirl]

I don't blame Paul Jones wanting nothing to do with press conferences. So often, the people in them end up accused of, ( or suspected of by the public) the crime.

THe case that comes to mind with this is shannon matthews. ALso that guy who was stabbed by his girlfriend in the 90's, she said it was road rage, sorry cant think of the name.

In some instance you are right, but I still wonder if subjecting the parents to the media actually helps the cause. It seems sad and heartbreaking to watch, also the alledged perp was in custody and I doubt would have shown an ounce of humanity anyhow.

 

[Insp.Dots]

OK

Coral Jones is aprils mum (bio)
Paul JOnes is Aprils dad (bio)
Richard Moon (corals bio father, APrils grandad)
Jean Moon (corlas bio mother, aprils grandmother)
Dai Smith (Aprils step grandfather, corals step father) The man which made the plea with coral.

Hope this clears this question up.

I thought SUE SMITH was Corals Mum???

 

[Amber34]

THe case that comes to mind with this is shannon matthews. ALso that guy who was stabbed by his girlfriend in the 90's, she said it was road rage, sorry cant think of the name.

Lee Harvey and that lying b*tch Tracie Andrews

 

[Dr. Know?]

Thanks UKgirl, I read that the trial will start in Jan. from one rag mag. I don't know the legal system by any means in the US thoroughly and certainly don't know the legal system there & I'm learning slowly but surely. tg

 

[veggiefan]

Thanks UKgirl, I read that the trial will start in Jan. from one rag mag. I don't know the legal system by any means in the US thoroughly and certainly don't know the legal system there & I'm learning slowly but surely. tg

I'm afraid the hearing in January will simply be a plea and case management hearing. If MB pleads not guilty, as seems likely, they will then fix a date for the start of the trial proper, which will probably not be until some months into 2013.

 

[webnut]

No other side of the country. I have followed this case from the mnute paril went missing. My knowledge is from what I have learnt from the case.

Ok thanks, its just that you said pj has been supporting cj through this but I haven't seen anything reported on it. I will leave it there though because I am not sure its appropriate to comment on the parents, but this point will keep coming up I feel. Ie. that we have not seen pj in an interview/appeal and he was expected to be there with coral at the last one but her stepdad stood in instead.


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[Insp.Dots]

Cluciano said way back in the previous thread that this case reminds her of Breann Rodriguez. I agree it's very similar, and equally baffling.

Assuming they've got the right guy. Why?

In Breann's case the suspect confessed, and even described her death in detached detail, which I found beyond horrifying. You can't un-read things like that.

A person who would do such a thing must be badly badly broken.

Again, in Breann's case Shawn Morgan had an odd history. Calling in bomb threats to his employer, that sort of thing. But here with Sweet April & MB we've got nothing.

It seems in both situations we are in for a long wait - wearing our patient pants. Breann disappeared on August 6, 2011, and the last time there was even a news write up about the case was more than a year ago. It was last October his wife petitioned for and was granted a divorce, as he didn't even appear at court.

I'm afraid we are in for a long wait, unless he is guilty and decides to confess.

My gut is telling me this wasn't a sexually motivated crime, but that could be because such a thing would be so hard for me to understand.

It isn't any wonder horror stories like these draw world wide press. They are, thankfully, very uncommon. But they scare the living daylights out of parents everywhere.

This spring I let my two sons walk about 4 blocks to the library and candy store alone together for the first time. They are 12 and 9. I had made the walk with them dozens of times. They had a mobile phone, and a map just in case, in spite of knowing the way very well. They were instructed to call me when they arrived and departed each stop along the way. Sure enough, a man in a truck pulled over and questioned them about where they were going, and offered them a ride. When they declined he said, "good for you, you should never take a ride with strangers," and he drove away. I don't know if he was a concerned citizen, or a creep. But it made me angry. What I was allowing was a carefully thought out reasonable thing to do for their ages, and yet we still all got a scare out of it. A day or two later I was out with them walking and we saw a policeman on foot, we stopped him and asked him if they should have done anything differently. He told them to pull out the phone. If he was a bad guy he'd probably go away when he saw the phone. He also told them to run in the opposite direction from the way the vehicle is pointing and to get help. (so the vehicle would have to turn around to follow them)

I know I'm getting off topic. The point I'm really trying to make here is that we SHOULD be able to let our children have a bit of freedom. It makes me angry that we must be frightened of things like this. I try very hard to keep it in perspective. It truly doesn't happen all the time, otherwise it wouldn't be international news. Statistically they are far more likely to be hurt in our vehicle, with me behind the wheel, or contract cancer or, in my state, drown. But I'm angry that men like this, and Jerry Sandusky scare us. I want my world to be safe! I want my boys to be able to walk to the library and the candy store.

<sigh>. They haven't been back since. It's been frightfully hot, but now that it's cooled off, I'll have to decide how to proceed.

Getting off of tirade rant now.

I hope they are able to find April. I don't believe in closure, but certainty is better that living with the nightmare of a mother's own imagination. Which is all her poor mom has now.

I know exactly what you mean, your planning reminded me of when my two boys were little. In fact the first few times they went out they I actually followed them, without them knowing. How sad, I remember endless summer holidays where we were ALWAYS out and about and literally only went home for food and drink, such a different world to the one we live in today. I feel for CJ in this case as she has had endless criticism for letting AJ out that evening. She thought it a ten minute treat while she served tea out....I cannot comprehend the pain she must be feeling now. I so wish they could find April so at least the family can start the grieving process bless them.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I'm afraid the hearing in January will simply be a plea and case management hearing. If MB pleads not guilty, as seems likely, they will then fix a date for the start of the trial proper, which will probably not be until some months into 2013.

I'm sure the video tapes of their eyewitness accounts will keep it fresh in their minds. I would think they would be asked if they still felt that way or saw what they did if it's 2013, if it's that far away before trial. jmo

 

[Inge Jones]

One reason I am slightly concerned that the police may not have definite proof of April's death is because in the absence of that, there is still a small chance this is anything from a living abduction for adoption/vice purposes thru a fake abduction to a getting lost (though the latter makes it unlikely she has survived this long). Anyway the point is, that in the McCann case the parents were proactively asking people to keep an eye out for their child world-wide, and had lots of reported possibly sightings, I don't get the sense that anyone is looking out for a living April Jones. Does this mean that if someone saw a kid looking just like her, in a motorway service station for example, they are just going to think nothing of it, as they're assuming the real April Jones is dead?

For this reason maybe it *would* be constructive for the police to make it very clear whether they have clear evidence of her death, and not just the balance of probability, which they seem to have been hinting at so far.

 

[Inge Jones]

Ok thanks, its just that you said pj has been supporting cj through this but I haven't seen anything reported on it. I will leave it there though because I am not sure its appropriate to comment on the parents, but this point will keep coming up I feel. Ie. that we have not seen pj in an interview/appeal and he was expected to be there with coral at the last one but her stepdad stood in instead.

It's not just that he wasn't at any press conf, he has also not even been *mentioned* as being with his wife at any time since this story broke. For example, when Coral Jones was "whisked away" in an unmarked police car... this guy who was not well enough to put on a pair of dark glasses and sit at a table with his wife was just left fending for himself at home? Or was he not there in the first place? It really is like he walked out days ago and no one wants to confuse the picture by mentioning it. Or maybe he's being cared for at his own parents' home since he got sick and they didn't want to say in case the press started surrounding that house.

All I am saying is I have had the impression he wasn't just living in a standard way with his own wife and kids at the time this happened. Just my own impression, as I say.

 

[Insp.Dots]

There's a very big problem with this Daily Post report - there is no cycle bridge in Llanbrynmair. There is one, however, 200 yards or so upstream of Dyfi Bridge. It's called the Millennium Bridge.

People need to bear in mind that the Daily Pest prints some astonishing bull excrement from time to time. Also, if you draw a line from Tywyn to Wrexham via Bala, then in the Daily Pest's world view, nothing exists south of that line. It may as well be the Steppes of Central Asia or the Atacama Desert as far as they're concerned.

Lloyds Coaches runs a bus service from Machynlleth to Newtown via Llanbrynmair, so public transport is feasible.

Yes Cendlaetholwr you're right the Daily Posts information does conflict with other reports. As below and i'm sure in some other reports it said the DIFI bridge :
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ses-on-areas-highlighted-by-arrested-man.html

Mr Edwards’s mother, Gloria, said she had seen Mr Bridger shortly before he was arrested. He was walking quickly towards the bridge that led into the town, wearing sunglasses and a khaki jacket and with his head down.

Wouldn't it be great if the Media only presented us with the correct facts??!!

 

[Clio]

One reason I am slightly concerned that the police may not have definite proof of April's death is because in the absence of that, there is still a small chance this is anything from a living abduction for adoption/vice purposes thru a fake abduction to a getting lost (though the latter makes it unlikely she has survived this long). Anyway the point is, that in the McCann case the parents were proactively asking people to keep an eye out for their child world-wide, and had lots of reported possibly sightings, I don't get the sense that anyone is looking out for a living April Jones. Does this mean that if someone saw a kid looking just like her, in a motorway service station for example, they are just going to think nothing of it, as they're assuming the real April Jones is dead?

For this reason maybe it *would* be constructive for the police to make it very clear whether they have clear evidence of her death, and not just the balance of probability, which they seem to have been hinting at so far.

It seems to me that LE are sending mixed messages. On the one hand, it appears that they have conclusive proof of death. As has been said, it's practically unheard of in the UK to try and convict someone of the murder of a child so young without a body having been found.

However, even after they had charged MB there are activities which seem to contradict this conclusive proof. There is the report of the police chaplain telling the community and searchers to keep hope that she might still be alive. There is the report of police responding rapidly to a tip off and searching the home of couple suspected of having abducted her. One wonders why they are doing these things if they are so sure she is no longer alive.

They are still searching and have said they will continue to do so for a while. Is this just because they want to find her remains so her family can lay her to rest or because they need more evidence to support their case? Possibly both at the moment but it can't go on forever. I don't even know whether they will make any kind of statement when they finally stop searching. If they do make a statement, I suspect that all it will say is that they have stopped. We know they are not going publicise any evidence until the trial. Before that, I doubt that they will even go so far as to say publically that they know she is dead, even if they don't reveal why they think that is the case.

 

[Cendlaetholwr]

The one I saw said it was AJ's grandad (not sure which side)

Yes, step-grandfather apparently. He had a different surname other than Jones, so work that one out for yourself. He could be CJ's mother's new husband or whatever.

 

[Clio]

April Jones latest: Specialist teams will search for at least two more weeks

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...-two-more-weeks-91466-32011810/#ixzz28ypUTSfy

 

[Insp.Dots]

One reason I am slightly concerned that the police may not have definite proof of April's death is because in the absence of that, there is still a small chance this is anything from a living abduction for adoption/vice purposes thru a fake abduction to a getting lost (though the latter makes it unlikely she has survived this long). Anyway the point is, that in the McCann case the parents were proactively asking people to keep an eye out for their child world-wide, and had lots of reported possibly sightings, I don't get the sense that anyone is looking out for a living April Jones. Does this mean that if someone saw a kid looking just like her, in a motorway service station for example, they are just going to think nothing of it, as they're assuming the real April Jones is dead?

For this reason maybe it *would* be constructive for the police to make it very clear whether they have clear evidence of her death, and not just the balance of probability, which they seem to have been hinting at so far.

Very good point! As far as I can see there is only Family Posts on social networking begging people not to give up hope of finding AJ, I get the feeling that most reading these comments think she is most likely Dead but obviously don't want to upset family members by saying that.
As has been said before as a parent, especially Mother I would not believe it until I was presented with a body....I would find an excuse or reason for everything I was told up til that moment. It really is heartbreaking!

 

[Clio]

Clio, what does VT specifically refer to?

Sorry for not being clear, I use VT to mean Video Tape.