Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #4 *M. Bridger guilty*

[LegallyBrunette]

Did he? isnt that just unsubstantiated rumour?

LB it's six and half a dozen, it goes hand in hand to have such a car if youre an *army* type too

i really don't see what the issue is with owning a LH drive land rover. Theres loads of them about.

It's not the car, it's the LH drive. An 'Army types' would be more likely to go for a LH drive Jeep, not a Chelsea tractor.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Any particular registration will be unique.

You mean they don't re-use them?

I was in UK in '99, think I had a T reg, would that be right?

 

[Clutchbag]

They did!

Did they? I remember them saying although they had an initial description of him they were unwilling to release it at the time.

 

[Clio]

They did!

Not before he was arrested they didn't. They did however take the unprecedented step of confirming his identity after arrest but before being charged.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Ben clearly knows little about rifles and handguns. If he did he would know himself if they had been made safe, rather than relying on MB telling him so. Would he know a genuine firearms license if he saw one?
jmo.

I think it's weird that you would show the licence to the neighbour - unless he was in the Police or something.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Yes, it was registered 1993 in swansea but by who? I dont see what your point is here.

Was it really?

My point - if it was registered in the UK in 1993 then obviously it wasn't brought over from Spain yesterday.

 

[Clio]

The Land Rover is L reg, someone said that is 1993, so the vehicle must have been first registered in UK in 1993 - unless UK re-use rego numbers?

That was me. Doesn't mean it was registered by MB though. He could have bought it second hand in the UK.

http://www.vrm-group.co.uk/car_registration_year.htm

 

[Clutchbag]

It's not the car, it's the LH drive. An 'Army types' would be more likely to go for a LH drive Jeep, not a Chelsea tractor.

perhaps he just liked liked and wanted that car, again, what has it got to do with anything? Why does it matter?

Was it really?

My point - if it was registered in the UK in 1993 then obviously it wasn't brought over from Spain yesterday.

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[veggiefan]

Not necessarily. If he parked on the left hand side of the road then he'd be next to the curb, but not if he pulled up on the other side of the road facing the same direction.

Everyone seems to be assuming that he "pulled up". However, according to the 70-year old neighbour, he was parked next to the garages rather than stopping by the kerb:

"I noticed it parked up next to the garages which was strange because no one would park there usually. The kids were still playing at that point. But suddenly they weren’t there and I noticed the car drive briskly down the road towards the town centre."

 

[LegallyBrunette]

perhaps he just liked liked and wanted that car, again, what has it got to do with anything? Why does it matter?

Why does anything matter? The little pieces all go to make up the big picture.

I live in a capital city, the only LH drive vehicles I've seen are classic cars like Mustangs, Chevs etc.

Other than that, if people import a new LH drive car they have it converted to RH drive - because it is a pain driving a LH drive vehicle on the left side of the road, (and vice versa)

 

[Clutchbag]

Why does anything matter? The little pieces all go to make up the big picture.

I live in a capital city, the only LH drive vehicles I've seen are classic cars like Mustangs, Chevs etc.

Other than that, if people import a new LH drive car they have it converted to RH drive - because it is a pain driving a LH drive vehicle on the left side of the road, (and vice versa)

So what is the little piece? What do you suspect it could mean, thats what Im having trouble figuring out.

 

[greenpalm]

I can see how this is a possibility, and the way the front of the car is covered up in the photograph suggests that there is something going on there. But I can't see why he wouldn't call an ambulance or get her to hospital in such a circumstance - unless he had been drinking perhaps and was worried about losing his licence. If that's what happened though, surely it wouldn't be murder ?

Yes, which is why, respectfully, there was more to my comment:

One more thing. I'm still mentally exploring the possibility that this began as some kind of accident. If his car was malfunctioning, and required great care to drive, so much so that it resulted him in being described as driving erratically. Is it possible that he lost control of it and struck and injured April? Perhaps then he panicked and pulled or coaxed her into the vehicle to assess the damage or hide her. …

Granted, if he did hit her and injur her - he certainly made some poor choices afterward, and I can't imagine why he wouldn't break down and help LE find the body now. Unless, he fears he's already gotten himself trapped into a murder accusation, and finding her body will only make matters worse.

All just speculation and opinion.

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And it wouldn't be abduction. Her little pink bike is still in the front yard of the family home, and it's not damaged.

It's not damaged? Are you certain? I did not include this in my original post, but I have seen nothing saying that the bike is NOT damaged, nor I have read that the bike is still there right now in the yard and has not been taken into evidence. It certainly occurred to me that it could be damaged. It also possible that she wasn't on the bike when he hit her, if he did. Which, as I said, is just a theory.

I'm not claiming any of these theories as solid fact. I've thought through the possibilities, and I don't think it's reasonable to absolutlely dismiss them out of hand.

We are all at a loss regarding WHY this man would snatch off the street with another child watching and cold bloodedly murder a young girl. Especially, because he didnt go very far afterwards. (Philip Garrido snatched Jacee Dugard with a witness, but he didn't live in the neighborhood, wasnt recognizable to anyone, and he drove a fair distance away.) Hitting her with the car and panicking seems like a more rational, indeed, simpler explanation than snatching her off the street and killing her. Not that rational thought can necessarily be applied.

I don't post much, because I don't spout off the top of my head thoughtlessly. That doesn't mean I'm not reading and thinking. I get weary wading through repeated posts asking and answering the same questions and making the same points. So I attempt not to contribute to that. I keep reading until I get to the end. I contemplate everything, and then, and only then I post.

None of your arguments against my theory are sufficient to definitively rule it out, and furthermore, I made it quite clear that I was only presenting it as a possibility to consider, and it is one that wasn't being very much discussed while we go round and round about everything else.

My post count is low, because I use them carefully and thoughtfully.

 

[Cherwell]

Other than that, if people import a new LH drive car they have it converted to RH drive - because it is a pain driving a LH drive vehicle on the left side of the road, (and vice versa)

Not necessarily. It may have previously belonged to someone who spent a lot of time in mainland Europe. Lots of people in the UK have holiday homes in France, for example.

 

[George Gently]

You mean they don't re-use them?

I was in UK in '99, think I had a T reg, would that be right?

No they do not re-use them.

Originally it was up to 3 numbers and 3 letters.

When they ran out of combinations they reversed the order so that letters preceded numbers or vice versa.

Then eventually they introduced a letter to signify the year followed by numbers and letters.

From 2001 a totally different system was introduced which consists of 2 letters to represent the registration area joined with 2 numbers for the year then after a space 3 letters.

So I see no reason to re-use a registration number although there may have been exceptions.

Personalised number plates are a different matter. The number plate is registered to the owner rather than just the vehicle but the owner can change vehicles and retain their personalised number which is then transferred to the new vehicle although this is an expensive process.

That would be about right for a T Reg but the registration year runs from August to August so it would likely 1999/2000.

 

[Quattro]

Why does anything matter? The little pieces all go to make up the big picture.

I live in a capital city, the only LH drive vehicles I've seen are classic cars like Mustangs, Chevs etc.

Other than that, if people import a new LH drive car they have it converted to RH drive - because it is a pain driving a LH drive vehicle on the left side of the road, (and vice versa)

A left hand drive 1993 Discovery would be a lot cheaper to buy in the UK than RHD. More expensive to insure.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

No they do not re-use them.

Originally it was up to 3 numbers and 3 letters.

When they ran out of combinations they reversed the order so that letters preceded numbers or vice versa.

Then eventually they introduced a letter to signify the year followed by numbers and letters.

From 2001 a totally different system was introduced which consists of 2 letters to represent the registration area joined with 2 numbers for the year then after a space 3 letters.

So I see no reason to re-use a registration number although there may have been exceptions.

Personalised number plates are a different matter. The number plate is registered to the owner rather than just the vehicle but the owner can change vehicles and retain their personalised number which is then transferred to the new vehicle although this is an expensive process.

That would be about right for a T Reg but the registration year runs from August to August so it would likely 1999/2000.

Cheers. Got the car Oct 99.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Not necessarily. It may have previously belonged to someone who spent a lot of time in mainland Europe. Lots of people in the UK have holiday homes in France, for example.

I was referring to people in Australia who import LH drive vehicle. Understand what you mean about UK and Europe, that's completely different.

 

[Inge Jones]

Does anyone think it is possible that the van was indeed "parked" as in MB had got out briefly to perhaps take something to a resident or post a letter, and April climbed into it recognising it was one she had played in before. MB then hopped back into the van and drove away before realising there was a kid in it. When he saw April and having a dodgy clutch and not wanting to turn around again he let her out thinking she would be able to walk home ok alone from a few streets away. Then something happened to her.

Or did the eye witness specifically say the owner "invited her to get in"?

 

[greenpalm]

Not necessarily. If he parked on the left hand side of the road then he'd be next to the curb, but not if he pulled up on the other side of the road facing the same direction.

Certainly, that's true. If he were willing to drive on the wrong side of the street, he could pull up next to curb with the passenger door facing children playing there. But I thought, perhaps mistakenly, that the thrust of the conversation here is that the steering wheel location mattered, and made a difference to the events. If one is willing to drive against traffic, it doesn't make particle of difference where the steering wheel is, one can turn the vehicle any which way to angle either door toward the curb. But, in that case, what was the point being made about the location of the steering wheel, perhaps I missed it.

 

[Cherwell]

I was referring to people in Australia who import LH drive vehicle. Understand what you mean about UK and Europe, that's completely different.

OK. Sorry, I did not know that you're in Australia.