Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #4 *M. Bridger guilty*

[LegallyBrunette]

April's parents, Paul 43, and Coral, 40, had received a glowing report about her progress at school and had given her extra time to play outside as a reward, according to sources close to the family. Child witnesses told police that she climbed willingly into the car at around 7pm on Monday.

A neighbour said he saw a car that "kept cruising up and down the road where the kids were playing" before seeing it park nearby. "The kids were still playing at that point," he told the Daily Mirror. "But suddenly they weren't there and I noticed the car drive briskly down the road towards the town centre."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-arrested-on-suspicion-of-murder-8198804.html

 

[Clutchbag]

Who said she then sat waiting in the passenger seat? She might have been hiding in the back for fun by that time having climbed over the seat. Children have no idea of what can go wrong with their games.

Maybe he didn't even *know* she hadn't got back safely till the police apprehended him the next afternoon. After all, seeing as they didn't seem to know where he had moved to, I'd guess no one had been able to tell the police, which means no one would have been able to contact him to say April was missing. And I do remember that the very evening she went missing, it wasn't in the news as extensively as it was the next day, so it was missable by someone who didn't sit glued to the TV all evening. That might easily explain why he seemed so casual and carefree when he was spotted on the riverbank - having dropped his car off finally, he had nothing worrying his mind at that time.

Yes, my bad, I assumed that you meant sat in the front after getting in. yes your post makes alot of sense.

 

[Elainera]

I think it's possible, or some other scenario like it. What if she were in the back? He might not have noticed her. Obviously the child was permitted to play at some distance from her home, so maybe letting her out to walk just a bit father seemed okay, especially given he was having trouble with the clutch. Reasons for not admitting it? Maybe he is admitting it and giving those reasons. We wouldn't know. but we do know that the police have heard his explanation of events and the prosecution has been informed of his likely defense. So, whatever he's saying must not be convincing enough to drop the charges.

This theory explains why he can't help them find her, he wouldn't know.

Edited to add: but it doesn't explain why they charged him with murder. They've got to have a reason for that.

This is a very interesting thought!

As for your Edit, cases have been won without a body solely on circumstancial evidence. That case in Scotland - I can not remember the name, I'm sorry, I'm really bad with names - they didn't have much more than a stormy past relationship with the victim, some scratches on the alleged murderer's hands and two cadaver dogs going berserk although no DNA proof whatsoever was found. Still they charged him, went ahead and convicted him. Not saying it wasn't him, I wouldn't know, but what I'm saying is they don't need foolproof evidence to charge with and try for murder.

So, maybe here the LE has similarly sketchy circumstancial evidence, wouldn't be the first time. Which is why they so desperately need to find the body.

I'm so totally on the fence with this case! :fence:

 

[Inge Jones]

So where is she then? The police have some sort of evidence pointing to her death and presumably it is linked to MB.

Well, if he reported a sequence of events like I proposed, and the kid never came home, who could blame them for thinking "I bet he killed her"? Until or unless we hear that they have direct forensic or eyewitness evidence of a death taking place, you can't actually rule out this latest idea of mine. And even if they found her body, it still doesn't rule out my idea - because that idea leaves it possible for her to have died *after* she left MB's company.

I agree with you it's a bit of a far-fetched idea, but it's improbable rather than impossible.

 

[Clutchbag]

So where is she then? The police have some sort of evidence pointing to her death and presumably it is linked to MB.



Because they don't have to/don't need to.

Why not? How was the pensioners witness statement any different to the child's? In an appeal for information surely what everyone had seen would be made public to help and even to eliminate people and cars from the inquiry. What is wrong with the police saying a car seen at x spot at the garages at such a time and the chikd was seen by the pensioned in the same place, is an avenue of inquiry, did you see this car/person anywhere?

 

[chalky100]

The tangled family ties between Mark Bridger and April Joneshttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9600265/The-tangled-family-ties-between-Mark-Bridger-and-April-Jones.html

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Why not? How was the pensioners witness statement any different to the child's? In an appeal for information surely what everyone had seen would be made public to help and even to eliminate people and cars from the inquiry. What is wrong with the police saying a car seen at x spot at the garages at such a time and the chikd was seen by the pensioned in the same place, is an avenue of inquiry, did you see this car/person anywhere?

Police have to protect the witness' safety too

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/april-jones-missing-witness-tells-1363171
A pensioner saw a car speed away from the spot where April Jones vanished.

The distraught 70-year-old said moments earlier he had seen her playing with pals but she suddenly disappeared.

As the hunt for April, five, yesterday became a murder probe, he added: “I’m kicking myself that I did not raise the alarm.”

The pensioner told how he was filled with anguish at what he saw. He has been *interviewed four times by police.

The shaken neighbour, who did not want to be named, recalled the moment he spotted the youngster before she was kidnapped.

The man said: “I was home on Monday night as usual and saw little April playing outside with her friends.

“They were riding their bikes up and down the street like they have been all summer.

“A driver kept cruising up and down the road where the kids were playing.

“I thought it was a little odd but nothing more and then I noticed it parked up next to the garages which was strange because no one would park there usually.

“The kids were still playing at that point.

“But suddenly they weren’t there and I noticed the car drive briskly down the road towards the town centre.

“To be honest I thought nothing of it until people started banging on my door about half an hour later asking if I’d seen April.

“Then I realised the significance of what I’d seen.

"But why would a person think something so sinister could be happening in front of their house?”
The witness added: “The police have been extremely interested in what I’ve had to say, but there is nothing more I can say to them.

"I just hope I’ve been helpful.”

Officers yesterday lifted a cordon that was placed around the garages on the Bryn y Gog estate in *Machynlleth, Powys, where April was kidnapped close to her home at 7pm on Monday.

Forensic experts were yesterday searching rubbish bins, gardens and sheds in the area.

 

[Inge Jones]

Re the theory that he had popped out of the car to do *whatever* and she had climbed in while he was gone - April was reported to have said to her friend "It's ok, I know them", implying that there was in fact a person in the car, not just an empty car..

No not necessarily. It is something you could imagine her saying rather than the more difficult phrase "I know the owner" Or, as lots of people have said, this was a 3rd hand paraphrasing, and was probably a bit generalised by the time we heard it!

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Do we know for a fact that car the neighbour saw parked near the garages was the same that April got into?

The Police will know.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Who said she then sat waiting in the passenger seat? She might have been hiding in the back for fun by that time having climbed over the seat. Children have no idea of what can go wrong with their games.

Maybe he didn't even *know* she hadn't got back safely till the police apprehended him the next afternoon. After all, seeing as they didn't seem to know where he had moved to, I'd guess no one had been able to tell the police, which means no one would have been able to contact him to say April was missing. And I do remember that the very evening she went missing, it wasn't in the news as extensively as it was the next day, so it was missable by someone who didn't sit glued to the TV all evening. That might easily explain why he seemed so casual and carefree when he was spotted on the riverbank - having dropped his car off finally, he had nothing worrying his mind at that time.

Apart from the black garbage bag and its' contents.

 

[Inge Jones]

I also have a possible innocent explanation for the car cruising up and down and then parked. If he had indeed stopped to deliver something or post a letter, he might have been looking for a house number. Or maybe a suitable parking space on the road, and decided the garage area would be less obstructive. Then after doing what he came for, naturally he would be in a position to take off again much more quickly than it took him to arrive and find a space.

 

[Inge Jones]

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Apart from the black garbage bag and its' contents.

Well he didn't seem worried about them. May have just been the extra beer cans that wouldn't fit into the overflowing recycling box We have not been told what was in it, if indeed anyone found it.

 

[Cherwell]

Why not? How was the pensioners witness statement any different to the child's? In an appeal for information surely what everyone had seen would be made public to help and even to eliminate people and cars from the inquiry. What is wrong with the police saying a car seen at x spot at the garages at such a time and the chikd was seen by the pensioned in the same place, is an avenue of inquiry, did you see this car/person anywhere?

But they did ask for sightings. We haven't been given exact details of the child's statement either, just a general summary. Nothing unusual about that.

 

[Clutchbag]

Police have to protect the witness' safety too

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/april-jones-missing-witness-tells-1363171
A pensioner saw a car speed away from the spot where April Jones vanished.

The distraught 70-year-old said moments earlier he had seen her playing with pals but she suddenly disappeared.

As the hunt for April, five, yesterday became a murder probe, he added: “I’m kicking myself that I did not raise the alarm.”

The pensioner told how he was filled with anguish at what he saw. He has been *interviewed four times by police.

The shaken neighbour, who did not want to be named, recalled the moment he spotted the youngster before she was kidnapped.

The man said: “I was home on Monday night as usual and saw little April playing outside with her friends.

“They were riding their bikes up and down the street like they have been all summer.

“A driver kept cruising up and down the road where the kids were playing.

“I thought it was a little odd but nothing more and then I noticed it parked up next to the garages which was strange because no one would park there usually.

“The kids were still playing at that point.

“But suddenly they weren’t there and I noticed the car drive briskly down the road towards the town centre.

“To be honest I thought nothing of it until people started banging on my door about half an hour later asking if I’d seen April.

“Then I realised the significance of what I’d seen.

"But why would a person think something so sinister could be happening in front of their house?”
The witness added: “The police have been extremely interested in what I’ve had to say, but there is nothing more I can say to them.

"I just hope I’ve been helpful.”

Officers yesterday lifted a cordon that was placed around the garages on the Bryn y Gog estate in *Machynlleth, Powys, where April was kidnapped close to her home at 7pm on Monday.

Forensic experts were yesterday searching rubbish bins, gardens and sheds in the area.

The police dont have to name witnesses do they when appealing for info. So its nothing to do with protecting anyone.

And if this witness or any other was deemed in danger then its highly irresponsible for the paper to quote his age and that he had a direct view of the garages.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Well he didn't seem worried about them. May have just been the extra beer cans that wouldn't fit into the overflowing recycling box We have not been told what was in it, if indeed anyone found it.

I think you mean boxes
Bag was dumped in river, police were searching for it.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

The police dont have to name witnesses do they when appealing for info. So its nothing to do with protecting anyone.

And if this witness or any other was deemed in danger then its highly irresponsible for the paper to quote his age and that he had a direct view of the garages.

Witness said he didn't want to be named.

 

[Clutchbag]

But they did ask for sightings. We haven't been given exact details of the child's statement either, just a general summary. Nothing unusual about that.

yes but the police never once said a similar vehicle was seen by the garages at x time therefore inviting more witnesses and potential description of driver to either consolidate the childs statement or eliminate others

 

[Elainera]

I lived about 12 miles from Machynlleth until 2 years ago. At that time there were CCTV cameras through the town and I even had a conversation with a local LE officer who told me how useful they had proven to be in the past. So if MB in fact did abduct AJ and turn right from the estate he will be on camera, unless he turned left and took the mountain road to Llanidloes.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/april-jones-missing-witness-tells-1363171
“A driver kept cruising up and down the road where the kids were playing.

“I thought it was a little odd but nothing more and then I noticed it parked up next to the garages which was strange because no one would park there usually.

“The kids were still playing at that point.

“But suddenly they weren’t there and I noticed the car drive briskly down the road towards the town centre.

So that car that the neighbour saw drive briskly towards the town centre would probably been captured on CCTV footage. Somewhere else I read that police is looking through this footage. Maybe they saw him, and April with him, which is their abduction charge right there - and together with cadaver dogs alerting at his home circumstancial enough for a murder charge? jmo

 

[LegallyBrunette]

But they did ask for sightings. We haven't been given exact details of the child's statement either, just a general summary. Nothing unusual about that.

Yes, here is link to video of DS Bevan -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...etails-of-abduction-suspect-Mark-Bridger.html

and this one:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-into-abductors-van-willingly-say-police.html

 

[Clutchbag]

I think you mean boxes
Bag was dumped in river, police were searching for it.

Was it really dumped in the river? Do you have a link to that statement? or link to any witness saying it was a garbage bag?