Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #4 *M. Bridger guilty*

[Clutchbag]

Witness said he didn't want to be named.

so? police didnt need to name him to put out what they had seen.

 

[louiseb]

After reading posts for a few days now I'm still getting the feeling that there is someone else involved in this, its seems really strange that the main details are still not known, given the way police usually react in situations like this by giving as much information as possible to try and gain more information. Its almost like the police don't want to give details as it may hinder finding something or someone connected with April's disappearance. What if there was someone else in MB car hence April saying "its ok i know THEM" . If the police were looking for someone else wouldn't it be better for them to stay quite in hopes of possibly finding April or more evidence?

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Was it really dumped in the river? Do you have a link to that statement? or link to any witness saying it was a garbage bag?

There are plenty if you want to search.

 

[Elainera]

After reading posts for a few days now I'm still getting the feeling that there is someone else involved in this, its seems really strange that the main details are still not known, given the way police usually react in situations like this by giving as much information as possible to try and gain more information. Its almost like the police don't want to give details as it may hinder finding something or someone connected with April's disappearance. What if there was someone else in MB car hence April saying "its ok i know THEM" . If the police were looking for someone else wouldn't it be better for them to stay quite in hopes of possibly finding April or more evidence?

Good point.

 

[Clutchbag]

There are plenty if you want to search.

No, there are not plenty, if there were I woukd have found at least one, there is no witness that said a rubbish bag was dumped in the river by the man seen. or any witness that was quoted as saying it was a bin/garbage bag. You claimed it therefore its up to you to prove it.

I really would like a link to where anyone at all said it was dumped in the river.

 

[Dirk Gently]

A neighbour said he saw a car that "kept cruising up and down the road where the kids were playing" before seeing it park nearby. "The kids were still playing at that point," he told the Daily Mirror. "But suddenly they weren't there and I noticed the car drive briskly down the road towards the town centre."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-arrested-on-suspicion-of-murder-8198804.html

The kids (plural) suddenly weren't there. Where were they then, given that only AJ is supposed to have got into the vehicle? The fact that this witness was able to see the vehicle drive away suggests that he had a relatively unobstructed view of proceedings. So how exactly did the other children "suddenly disappear"? Did they mysteriously reappear a few minutes later with similar rapidity?

 

[Blunomore]

What I find odd is that, if it was indeed MB who parked near the garages and drove off with AJ, did he not think that he may be identified as being the perp and that police would come to his house looking for April? Surely he must have thought/realised that someone would know where he lived?

The other possibility is that he did not drive back to his house with her, but went somewhere else ... in which case police may not have found any evidence of a crime at his house.

All so confusing.

 

[Clutchbag]

This is not a court of law, I don't have to prove anything, and maybe your search technique isn't up to it, because I'm reading a detailed story on it right now.

No it isnt a court of law but its generally accepted here that any statements which are not common knowledge from MSM should be backed up otherwise anyone can say anything and spread misinformation, seeing as you are reading something detailed about it right now, it shouldnt be hard to share it

In other words if you make a claim about something as true and no onehas heard it before then yes you DO have to prove it

 

[Quattro]

No, there are not plenty, if there were I woukd have found at least one, there is no witness that said a rubbish bag was dumped in the river by the man seen. or any witness that was quoted as saying it was a bin/garbage bag. You claimed it therefore its up to you to prove it.

I really would like a link to where anyone at all said it was dumped in the river.

I have not got a link but I'm fairly confident it was never reported that the contents were dumped in the river.

 

[Clutchbag]

The kids (plural) suddenly weren't there. Where were they then, given that only AJ is supposed to have got into the vehicle? The fact that this witness was able to see the vehicle drive away suggests that he had a relatively unobstructed view of proceedings. So how exactly did the other children "suddenly disappear"? Did they mysteriously reappear a few minutes later with similar rapidity?

There is also the possibility its a fabricated or embroidered story by the paper. its a known fact that it happens. Editors of papers have admitted as much in court

 

[LegallyBrunette]

The kids (plural) suddenly weren't there. Where were they then, given that only AJ is supposed to have got into the vehicle? The fact that this witness was able to see the vehicle drive away suggests that he had a relatively unobstructed view of proceedings. So how exactly did the other children "suddenly disappear"? Did they mysteriously reappear a few minutes later with similar rapidity?

The girl who was closest ran to raise the alarm (reported by a neighbour and ex of MB)

 

[LegallyBrunette]

No it isnt a court of law but its generally accepted here that any statements which are not common knowledge from MSM should be backed up otherwise anyone can say anything and spread misinformation, seeing as you are reading something detailed about it right now, it shouldnt be hard to share it

In other worda, if you make a claim about something as true and no onehas heard it before then yes you DO have to prove it

Well it is in MSM and would be common knowledge to people who read MSM.

 

[Elainera]

This is not a court of law, I don't have to prove anything, and maybe your search technique isn't up to it, because I'm reading a detailed story on it right now.

Sorry I have to side with clutchbag on this one - I also have not read that a bag was put into the river. Please if you do have a link to that share it

Or maybe a misunderstanding here? (bag put in river vs bag carried towards the river/along the embankment)

 

[Blunomore]

I have not got a link but I'm fairly confident it was never reported that the contents were dumped in the river.

I agree.

I only ever read that some women saw a man with a black bag close to the river. The article/s did not say anything about them seeing the man dump the bag into the river.

 

[Cherwell]

What if there was someone else in MB car hence April saying "its ok i know THEM" .

We don't know if that's what she said. The person who quoted that was not even present.

 

[Inge Jones]

The girl who was closest ran to raise the alarm (reported by a neighbour and ex of MB)

But did she? I though April's mother only realised she had gone anywhere after finding she was no longer playing where she should be. If an alarm had been raised wouldn't someone have hotfooted it to April's home to let them know?

I got the *impression* that the van report was elicited from the child when people started asking around if anyone knew where April was.

 

[Clio]

Why not? How was the pensioners witness statement any different to the child's? In an appeal for information surely what everyone had seen would be made public to help and even to eliminate people and cars from the inquiry. What is wrong with the police saying a car seen at x spot at the garages at such a time and the chikd was seen by the pensioned in the same place, is an avenue of inquiry, did you see this car/person anywhere?

The police dont have to name witnesses do they when appealing for info. So its nothing to do with protecting anyone.

yes but the police never once said a similar vehicle was seen by the garages at x time therefore inviting more witnesses and potential description of driver to either consolidate the childs statement or eliminate others

Regarding the pensioner. His account was not published by the press until several says after AJ went missing. Certainly it was after MH was arrested. We do not know when he gave a statement to the police. It might not have been until after MH was already in custody. If so, what value would there have been in LE releasing the pensioners statement to the public?

 

[Clutchbag]

Regarding the pensioner. His account was not published by the press until several says after AJ went missing. Certainly it was after MH was arrested. We do not know when he gave a statement to the police. It might not have been until after MH was already in custody. If so, what value would there have been in LE releasing the pensioners statement to the public?

To confirm or deny suspicions? of what was seen by the child? Unless the police were 100% they had their man or they were not and didnt want to show they may not have had

 

[Cherwell]

The girl who was closest ran to raise the alarm (reported by a neighbour and ex of MB)

But did she? I though April's mother only realised she had gone anywhere after finding she was no longer playing where she should be. If an alarm had been raised wouldn't someone have hotfooted it to April's home to let them know?

I got the *impression* that the van report was elicited from the child when people started asking around if anyone knew where April was.

Yes, I don't recall any reliable report that she "raised the alarm" straightaway. She wasn't the ex (VF)'s child so again, that wouldn't have been first-hand info.

Quite likely the little girl did go straight home, because she would have been left alone with no one to play with.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Probably this is also made up by the MSM!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...deleine-McCann-expert-drafted-in-to-help.html

and this:


The search for snatched April Jones has spread to a steep hillside where a man was seen carrying a black bag after she disappeared.

A team of 12 police officers moved in at 10am to cleared shrubs and vegetation - and began the painstaking work of sifting through the loose shale underneath.

The search area - the size of a tennis court - leads down to the river where the man carrying the black bag was seen by two witnesses at 1pm on Tuesday.

Officers using longhandled shears, pick axes, spades and forks started clearing the area on Friday morning.

All the vegetation and large stones were cleared and put into a police long wheelbase Transit van parked alongside.

Police with trowels then got down on their hands and knees to sift through the shale and soil in a delicate and painstaking operation.

A woman who lives close to the scene said: "They have cleared a very specific piece of hillside - they must have a reason to comb through it like that.

"It isn't a routine search of the area like the others that have been going on.

"They've pulled up all the plants - they must be looking for something definite."

Two women witnesses told police they spotted a man carrying a black bag down to the river below the hillside.

Carwen Sheen, 36, was chatting to a friend on the opposite river bank when they saw the figure scrambling down a gulley leading to the water's edge.

She confirmed she has given information to police about what she saw and a description of the man she saw at 1pm.

The women reported what they had seen near the village of Ceinws - about five miles away from April's home in Machynlleth - to detectives looking for April.

The site is the latest scene of police searches in and around the Machynlleth area



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