Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #4 *M. Bridger guilty*

[George Gently]

It might be worth bearing in mind the geography of Mid Wales.

Not far to the North is the start of Snodonia but running down the backbone of Wales are the Cambrian mountains.

The main A roads are decent but no dual carriageways. Even on these roads because of the terrain a distance point to point of 30 miles may actually involve a 50 mile road journey as a road weaves it way through small valleys separated by spurs of higher ground. There are many bends, often hairpins.

The maximum speed is affected by this especially at night or in wet weather. Only is some places would 60 mph be reached with a more likely speed of 40-50 mph slowing down to 20-30 mph on the many bends. Of course someone in a hurry would travel to the limit but that would be dangerous as you never know what is coming round the next bend such as larger vehicles like articulated lorries.

Even some of the B roads are no more than single lane country tracks and only the sharper bends are marked because there are so many.

The terrain itself is mixed between mountain moorland and dense forest.

I think the Police are being very thorough.

We do on the whole have an excellent Police Force in this country and they will be pursuing every possibility, if only to eliminate it from the inquiry.

 

[Clio]

Today's update on the search from Sky News.

Includes video

April Jones: Police Vow To Continue Search

Officers from forces across the UK are brought in to relieve exhausted teams as the search reaches its 12th day

http://news.sky.com/story/997089/april-jones-police-vow-to-continue-search

 

[Clutchbag]

If the man is guilty she could be anywhere, if he is innocent, and someone else responsible , likewise. If the police have solid evidence of her death then theres no point looking out for her as previous poster suggested but we dont know that as they have not said.

if she had just wandered and got lost or had an accident she would have been found by now, so someone has taken her IMO.

I posted earlier today that cadaver dogs could be taken on a house to house search, if I was in charge thats exactly what I would do.

I really cant imagine this man if guilty wont tell police her whereabouts, I dont think he has the bottle to keep this to himself but thats just my personal opinion

 

[cluciano63]

If the man is guilty she could be anywhere, if he is innocent, and someone else responsible , likewise. If the police have solid evidence of her death then theres no point looking out for her as previous poster suggested but we dont know that as they have not said.

if she had just wandered and got lost or had an accident she would have been found by now, so someone has taken her IMO.

I posted earlier today that cadaver dogs could be taken on a house to house search, if I was in charge thats exactly what I would do.

I really cant imagine this man if guilty wont tell police her whereabouts, I dont think he has the bottle to keep this to himself but thats just my personal opinion

Police have said she dead, since they are looking for a body, they just have not said why.

 

[jigzy]

Probably this is also made up by the MSM!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...deleine-McCann-expert-drafted-in-to-help.html

and this:


The search for snatched April Jones has spread to a steep hillside where a man was seen carrying a black bag after she disappeared.

A team of 12 police officers moved in at 10am to cleared shrubs and vegetation - and began the painstaking work of sifting through the loose shale underneath.

The search area - the size of a tennis court - leads down to the river where the man carrying the black bag was seen by two witnesses at 1pm on Tuesday.

Officers using longhandled shears, pick axes, spades and forks started clearing the area on Friday morning.

All the vegetation and large stones were cleared and put into a police long wheelbase Transit van parked alongside.

Police with trowels then got down on their hands and knees to sift through the shale and soil in a delicate and painstaking operation.

A woman who lives close to the scene said: "They have cleared a very specific piece of hillside - they must have a reason to comb through it like that.

"It isn't a routine search of the area like the others that have been going on.

"They've pulled up all the plants - they must be looking for something definite."

Two women witnesses told police they spotted a man carrying a black bag down to the river below the hillside.

Carwen Sheen, 36, was chatting to a friend on the opposite river bank when they saw the figure scrambling down a gulley leading to the water's edge.

She confirmed she has given information to police about what she saw and a description of the man she saw at 1pm.

The women reported what they had seen near the village of Ceinws - about five miles away from April's home in Machynlleth - to detectives looking for April.

The site is the latest scene of police searches in and around the Machynlleth area



Read More http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...ck-bag-sighting-91466-31974005/#ixzz29BxClfPe

OMGosh! - Can't believe I missed that the slope leading down to the river was the River Dulas North of the Dyfi - other media reports have totally led me to think it was the River Dyfi - especially since seeing the image of the man walking by the river Dyfi on sites like this:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/a...-kidnapper-walking-river-bank-91466-31964407/

This is hugely significant I think. When I thought it was the Dyfi I was sceptical as it seems ridiculous that a man would be carrying, in a very visible place with people searching, a bag of 'items' to dispose of or a bag that he had just emptied the contents out of somewhere. That seemed ridiculous. THIS, however, now seems possible given the location in this link http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...ck-bag-sighting-91466-31974005/#ixzz29BxClfPe

I think the LE are close to something major. jmo

 

[josie1986]

I'm sorry but I still do not understand Why people are still questioning his guilt.

The cps wouldn't have given the police the go ahead to charge him with murder if they didn't have enough evidence to support the charge(s)

It is horrible typing this but what if the reason they haven't found April is because there is nothing of her to find? He did work invasion slaughter house at one point
JMO

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[jigzy]

Police have said she dead, since they are looking for a body, they just have not said why.

Have they said they are looking for a body? I'm not aware that they have used the word 'body'

I suspect that they are looking for 'remains' - quite different, given what we have read about blade weapons. jmo.

 

[Clutchbag]

I'm sorry but I still do not understand Why people are still questioning his guilt.

The cps wouldn't have given the police the go ahead to charge him with murder if they didn't have enough evidence to support the charge(s)

It is horrible typing this but what if the reason they haven't found April is because there is nothing of her to find? He did work invasion slaughter house at one point
JMO

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Because he is innocent until proven guilty. you DO know dont you that many have been charged with murder only to be exonerated after, its a very high percentage too. And seeing as none of the evidence they have is public people will wonder.

 

[cluciano63]

Aren't you used to not seeing evidence in cases in the UK?
I know in the US, we hear a lot about a case before a trial, but since (I thought) that in the UK this does not happen, I am wondering why so many seem to think LE doesn't have evidence because they have not revealed it.

 

[cluciano63]

Have they said they are looking for a body? I'm not aware that they have used the word 'body'

I suspect that they are looking for 'remains' - quite different, given what we have read about blade weapons. jmo.

One of the charges pertains to "unlawfully concealing her body."

 

[Cappuccino]

Aren't you used to not seeing evidence in cases in the UK?
I know in the US, we hear a lot about a case before a trial, but since (I thought) that in the UK this does not happen, I am wondering why so many seem to think LE doesn't have evidence because they have not revealed it.

We are used to it, but we're also used to preserving a certain amount of skepticism before conviction. After all, if the cps having enough to charge someone was an infallible indicator of guilt, there would be no need for courts at all.

 

[Clutchbag]

Aren't you used to not seeing evidence in cases in the UK?
I know in the US, we hear a lot about a case before a trial, but since (I thought) that in the UK this does not happen, I am wondering why so many seem to think LE doesn't have evidence because they have not revealed it.

No one has said the police dont have evidence, whether that evidence proves his guilt is another matter to be determined in a court so anyone asking how anyone could still question his guilt is asking people to believe that being charged by the police must mean guilty, period also have you never heard of police ups?

 

[Clio]

OMGosh! - Can't believe I missed that the slope leading down to the river was the River Dulas North of the Dyfi - other media reports have totally led me to think it was the River Dyfi

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[Clio]

Have they said they are looking for a body? I'm not aware that they have used the word 'body'

I suspect that they are looking for 'remains' - quite different, given what we have read about blade weapons. jmo.

He (Superintendent John) concedes: &#8220;We are looking for a body. Everybody tries to shy away from that inevitability because you want to be sympathetic to the family.&#8221;

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nor...ing-to-bring-april-jones-home-55578-32024275/

 

[cluciano63]

Yes, of course, police can be wrong;I just don't assume they are wrong, I wait until I see what they see, that led them to charge a person.Right now, they know a lot more than I do, so I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[jigzy]

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Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - UK UK (Wales) - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 01 Oct 2012 *ARREST MADE* - #2

Thanks Clio, but I previously recognised that the search teams were searching there, on the banks of, and in the River Dulas - I have posted about it previously also.

What I am OMGosh-ing about is that Carwen Sheen saw 'black bag' man scrambling down a slope there, near Ceinws! We were led to believe that it was on the banks of the Dyfi that 'black bag' man was seen.

ETA: led to believe by the media not LE

 

[Clutchbag]

Yes, of course, police can be wrong;I just don't assume they are wrong, I wait until I see what they see, that led them to charge a person.Right now, they know a lot more than I do, so I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

of course police get it right most of the time, but seeing the strange circumstances of this case and how quickly it all happened and no knowledge of what police have people are going to speculate and have opinions, but its a far cry to say because someone is charged it must mean they are guilty

 

[jigzy]

OK, does anyone find this weird?

Carwen Sheen, 36, was chatting to a friend on the opposite river bank when they saw the figure scrambling down a gulley leading to the water's edge.

She confirmed she has given information to police about what she saw and a description of the man she saw at 1pm.

The women reported what they had seen near the village of Ceinws - about five miles away from April's home in Machynlleth - to detectives looking for April.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...ck-bag-sighting-91466-31974005/#ixzz29BxClfPe

Carwen Sheen, with a friend near Ceinws at 1pm Tuesday, sees 'Black Bag' man.

Carwen Sheen, who lives on the same estate as April's family and has young children of her own, said: "People are holding onto their children as they're walking now.
http://news.sky.com/story/997089/april-jones-police-vow-to-continue-search

Carwen Sheen lives on same estate as April. I wonder what in particular, if anything, made her go searching/ walking up near Ceinws on the banks of the river there. That's a long way out of town. I wonder if locals were targeting that area having suspicions of their own.

jmo.

 

[Cappuccino]

The locals were probably looking anywhere and everywhere they could think of.

 

[Blunomore]

I really cant imagine this man if guilty wont tell police her whereabouts, I dont think he has the bottle to keep this to himself but thats just my personal opinion

What do you base this personal opinion on?