Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #5 *M. Bridger guilty*

[Cendlaetholwr]

i was reading up on the shannon matthews case as that too involved the largest ever hunt by that police force utilising three quarters of the country's police dogs and hundreds of officers with thousands of house to house inquiries and searches over 24 days. In the end a member of the public noticed something odd which led to finding shannon. this happens in many cases, a person walking their dog for example stumbles across a body as happened with the jo yeates case. I also read that most people which disappear are found between half and one mile away from where they went missing. Here is hoping people will be vigilant and that she is found soon whether alive or not. i notice there is no reward put up in this case by the papers as they have done in the past, that might be because there is a suspect charged though.

Eta just in case anyone thinks Im suggesting this is a case of fake abduction like in the shannon case, no Im not. i googled it to compare the hunt, how long it took, and resources used and how she was eventually found. But I do think someone else knows something.

Eta 2, thanks for extra info and comments on psychics earlier peeps

Ah yes, Shannon Matthews. Tia Sharpe. Am I allowed to ask what they roughly had in common?

 

[Elainera]

That is excellent news. I hope they are also going to use boats with sonar on the fishing lake.

You could email them.

 

[Clutchbag]

Hi Clutchbag,
Yes, we used to have a forensic astrology thread here at websleths but it is closed. We don't allow discussion of psychics or forensic astrology on the missing threads. I hope that helps.

Thank you nursebeeme I got the message, I realise it may confuse things

Me too. I had a look at MB's chart. It is interesting.

Don't know April's bd though.

Mod, pl delete if inappropriate.

i looked on genes reunited and found nothing, <modsnip>

 

[Clutchbag]

Ah yes, Shannon Matthews. Tia Sharpe. Am I allowed to ask what they roughly had in common?

We all know what they have in common one is familial abduction for money or some other crazy reason the other seems familial murder, but there is no evidence this case is close to those in any way

The grandmothers boyfriend, who used to be the mothers boyfriend, wierd as that is, was involved iirc, I didnt really follow it at the time as I was on holiday

 

[PADDYWHACK]

Question:

Did the little girl who saw April get into a vehicle also see that vehicle drive away?

 

[Cherwell]

Question:

Did the little girl who saw April get into a vehicle also see that vehicle drive away?

We don't know, but the police do. I'm going to guess that the answer is yes

 

[Clutchbag]

Question:

Did the little girl who saw April get into a vehicle also see that vehicle drive away?

according to this report, yes

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-19826174

 

[bijoux]

Am I correct that it was never determined whether AJ ran over to the car when she recognised the driver, or if the driver called her over to the car?

 

[PADDYWHACK]

according to this report, yes

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-19826174

We can't believe that though because of this.

According to children, she is taken away in a van or a four-wheel drive vehicle and there are no apparent signs of a struggle.

The children had all gone home and she was left playing with one 7yr old.

 

[Clutchbag]

We can't believe that though because of this.

The children had all gone home and she was left playing with one 7yr old.

Your question was about whether she was seen taken away and that report says she was, whether it was by one child or more is detail

 

[PADDYWHACK]

I don't really know Wales, but wouldn't this spot leave you with the old saying "leave no stone unturned"?

http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/post/47299/images/pen_pumlumonfawr.html?stream=site
http://www.visitmidwales.co.uk/thed...tractions+within+10+miles+of+Machynlleth&ba=A

 

[PADDYWHACK]

Your question was about whether she was seen taken away and that report says she was, whether it was by one child or more is detail

Its very important. One witness versus several is the matter between life and death.

 

[Clutchbag]

Am I correct that it was never determined whether AJ ran over to the car when she recognised the driver, or if the driver called her over to the car?

Dont think it was, just that some friend alledgedly told her not to get in to which she said its ok i know them

 

[Cherwell]

Your question was about whether she was seen taken away and that report says she was, whether it was by one child or more is detail

But a detail that they got wrong, so it would be unwise to trust the rest of it.

The point really is that only the police know the child's full testimony, and they ain't going to be making it public any time soon.

 

[Clutchbag]

Its very important. One witness versus several is the matter between life and death.

i dont get what this means

i also believe as i posted before that if it was MB andhis car the child would have known him and named him, to me that suggests it wasnt him OR unless it was their dad, Im so confused here, which child was the sevenyr old witness? Ive seen MH posted but dont know who MH is and if related to MB

 

[Clutchbag]

But a detail that they got wrong, so it would be unwise to trust the rest of it.

Ok, yes, probably, granted

 

[Clio]

i dont get what this means

i also believe as i posted before that if it was MB andhis car the child would have known him and named him, to me that suggests it wasnt him OR unless it was their dad, Im so confused here, which child was the sevenyr old witness? Ive seen MH posted but dont know who MH is and if related to MB

MH is the daughter of a neighbour of the Jones family - not a blood relative of MB AFAIK

 

[Cherwell]

MH is the daughter of a neighbour of the Jones family - not a blood relative of MB AFAIK

As far as we know - indeed

 

[Clutchbag]

MH is the daughter of a neighbour of the Jones family - not a blood relative of MB AFAIK

which neighbour though, if we know the childs name we must know the parents of that child and what if any relationship they had to MB, blood or not

 

[greenpalm]

This whole case mystifies me, I'm still trying to get my head around the "light coloured van" turning out to be a dark coloured land rover, let alone the rest of it.

It has also been puzzling me why MB was arrested so soon, even if he had been named as a suspect I would have thought the police would have kept him under surveilence before an arrest was made. He was arrested less than 24 hours after April disapeared, I can't help thinking what if she was still alive and he had her hidden somewhere, he would more than likely have attempted to go back to her.

Eyewitness testimony is notoriously poor and unreliable. You just can't depend on memory in circumstances of stress and heightened emotions. It's actually almost ridiculous that it's admissible as evidence at all because studies show it to be so weak. Of course the child witness may have gotten the broadest bits of the events right, but I wouldn't worry too much or give too much importance to the fact that she may have mis-remembered the color of the vehicle. I don't think it means a thing. The police must have further information (to which we are not privy) that lead them to the now impounded Landrover belonging to MB. Whatever they know, it must out weigh the initial testimony.

Helpful article about eye witness memory (just one that I found)

http://www.livescience.com/16194-crime-eyewitnesses-mistakes.html

i dont get what this means

i also believe as i posted before that if it was MB andhis car the child would have known him and named him, to me that suggests it wasnt him OR unless it was their dad, Im so confused here, which child was the sevenyr old witness? Ive seen MH posted but dont know who MH is and if related to MB

We don't know that the child witness knows MB, and even if he looked familiar to her we don't know that she knew him by name. My children attend classes with other children they call "friends" yet they can't tell me their names half the time. Even in a town of 2000 souls, no one knows everyone's name. Probably especially not the children. There were some children playing earlier in the evening who definitely knew him, including April. (It sounds like his own kids may have been out there at one point) but the fact that April had to say, "It's okay, I know them" would seem to indicate that THIS child, the witness, did not. We have no indication that she identified him by name. In fact the reported news we do have would seem to indicate she did not. The child who was referred to in the news reports was not related to him.