Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #5 *M. Bridger guilty*

[Cherwell]

I got the impression he didn't live with the latest girlfriend, but that may not be the case.

From one of the Mail articles

Neighbours said he had been living with another woman on the estate, Vicky Fenner, but she ended the relationship last month.

It may not matter, but from what the Edwards family say, he had lived in Llanbrynmair for about six months.

Meanwhile in the village of Llanbrynmair, where Bridger lived before he moved to Ceinws ......
.... The couple’s 22-year-old son, a garage worker also called Paul Edwards, said: “I knew Mark relatively well, since he moved in about six months ago. About three-to-four weeks ago I realised he’d moved out.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/in-...n-former-home-of-mark-bridger-55578-31970337/

He's said to have been seeing VF for about 11 months, so it doesn't sound to me as though they were actually living together, assuming she has lived on the estate throughout. If he did live with her at the beginning of the relationship, he moved out long before the end. Probably not significant though.

Unless MB owned a light coloured vehicle (or had the use of one), this puts it in a little bit of a different light for me.

This is why I wondered if the hotel where he's working has a van which he might have used. A Ford Connect perhaps, since that was mentioned by DI Bevan?

On the other hand, while the Land Rover is indisputably blue, it looks from the photo to be quite dirty which makes the lower part look lighter. That along with the prominent white and grey stripes might be what a child notices first.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Ok I've got media induced confusion now.



http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topi...=535264&version=1&template_id=38&parent_id=20



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...rk-Bridger-was-at-school-parents-evening.html



http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...ars-grow-for-the-sick-girl.html#ixzz29SQ5n5Pz

So he's seen heading out of Ceinws at 9:15am, by a named witness, with crashing gears and the car making a hell of a noise yet by 9:20am the Landrover is back on his drive? Doesn't make sense to me.

It's only a 5 minute time difference.

 

[Clutchbag]

Who is SW?

MBs son I think Scott williams

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Who is SW?

His son.

 

[cluciano63]

I think we have to bear in mind when the child witness MH was first asked about April, the people asking were probably in a state of panic, word quickly got out to several on the estate, words were possibly put to the child to help her remember, it wasn't until the next day that the specialist Police interviewed the little girl and got the full description.

And perhaps even the name, for all we know.

 

[veggiefan]

So he's seen heading out of Ceinws at 9:15am, by a named witness, with crashing gears and the car making a hell of a noise yet by 9:20am the Landrover is back on his drive? Doesn't make sense to me.

It's partly not making sense because the article you quote doesn't say his car is "back on his drive" at 9.20 - it says it was spotted "outside his remote cottage", and is simply the same report as the neighbour who said he saw the car leaving at 9.15. The 5-minute difference may be because the neighbour said at "about 9.15 or 9.20" or it may be sloppy reporting, or it may be the journalist slightgly changing details to disguise the fact that he's copied the account from another newspaper!

 

[Insp.Dots]

Could be completely wrong, but what i got from reading that, there was an 80 minute period where he was missing, where a pal said his Discovery was not on the drive. Who's pal? i thought nobody knew his new address.

Yup, And I'm even more confused now as The man below spotted MB at Difi Bridge clunking gears at 9.15am.

Reuters)
At 9.15am on Tuesday, Mr Bridger seemed “agitated” as he drove out of Ceinws, the hamlet where he lived, according to a motorist, David Richards. “I was turning into Ceinws off the main road and crossing the bridge,” he said. “He wanted to go out to the main road in his vehicle. He was flustered, he wanted to get going. He couldn’t wait for me to cross the bridge, he couldn’t get out of that road quick enough. He was very agitated. There was only him in the Land Rover that I could see.

 

[Inge Jones]

Is there *any* interest out there in looking out for April alive? Even though we've been told to assume MB is guilty of one or more of the charges for the purpose of this discussion, he may still have handed her off to someone. I mean in the absence of knowing his motives, he may have abducted her for one of a number of reasons.

 

[Cherwell]

“I was turning into Ceinws off the main road and crossing the bridge,” he said. “He wanted to go out to the main road in his vehicle. He was flustered, he wanted to get going. He couldn’t wait for me to cross the bridge, he couldn’t get out of that road quick enough.

That is the bridge over the disused railway line which is crossed when leaving Ceinws. Not the bridge over the Dyfi.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

What is Bridgers current address?

 

[LegallyBrunette]

From ITV news, police searching grounds of MB's cottage. Two others showing cottage in respect of surroundings, close to neighbours.

 

[greenpalm]

Has anyone found a media link saying that MBs cellphone pings were being investigated? LegallyBrunette mentioned it without a link and said all the links had been given numerous times before. I haven't found one yet, including on the articles linked.

Also - tell me about the caves in the area? There are many? Do travelers come to explore them? Are guided tours available? Are there hiking maps for adventuresome locals and visitors to find the caves? Is potholing a popular hobby there? Are the caves on private property or in the commons? are there well marked trails to find them or are they obscured under brush? Thank you.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Is there *any* interest out there in looking out for April alive? Even though we've been told to assume MB is guilty of one or more of the charges for the purpose of this discussion, he may still have handed her off to someone. I mean in the absence of knowing his motives, he may have abducted her for one of a number of reasons.

Much as everyone would wish it, the charges laid seem to preclude that possibility.
I do think there is a LOT more to this that is yet to be revealed.

 

[greenpalm]

Websleuths may not be based in the UK, but if you post on here and it can be read in the UK (which it can) you are still theoretically subject to the UK laws. That is why you need to be mindful of the jurisdiction of the matter.

No, I'm not. I'm subject to the laws where I am when I act.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

What is Bridgers current address?

Isn't it Strangeways?

 

[LegallyBrunette]

No, I can't. I'm subject to the laws where I am when I act.

I wouldn't bet my sheep station on it.

Some aspects of Cyber Law fall under International Law. That is how cyber scammers get pinged, rarely are they in the same country as their victims.

 

[Elainera]

Is there *any* interest out there in looking out for April alive? Even though we've been told to assume MB is guilty of one or more of the charges for the purpose of this discussion, he may still have handed her off to someone. I mean in the absence of knowing his motives, he may have abducted her for one of a number of reasons.

Yesterday in thread no 4 someone linked to an article which reported a "suspicious incident" in the Thamesvalley area. An approximately 50-60 y/o man in a Landrover Discovery had apparently behaved suspiciously towards a young girl walking on the street. This happened a week before April went missing. I sent that link to the Dyfed-Powys Police, and they wrote back thanking me that I made them aware of it and saying they have forwarded it to the incident room "for review".

Which sounds to me they are not neglecting other possible scenarios, however unlikely.

 

[Clio]

Has anyone found a media link saying that MBs cellphone pings were being investigated? LegallyBrunette mentioned it without a link and said all the links had been given numerous times before. I haven't found one yet, including on the articles linked.

Here's one reference

Police have been conducting ‘cell-site analysis’ of Bridger’s mobile phone in the hope of tracking his exact movements on the night April vanished, after she was lured into a vehicle by a mystery man as she played with friends.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rk-Bridgers-home-searched-hunt-continues.html

Here's one which says it might be difficult

And given the area's poor mobile phone reception, it also makes cell site analysis - where a person's location can be identified at a particular place and time - more difficult.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/a...allenging-due-to-hostile-terrain-8196343.html

 

[Blunomore]

I am not familiar with UK Law.

Was MB entitled to apply for bail? Did he?

 

[greenpalm]

I wouldn't bet my sheep station on it.

Some aspects of Cyber Law fall under International Law. That is how cyber scammers get pinged, rarely are they in the same country as their victims.

Yes, but the scamming itself is also illegal in the country where they are acting.

I am in the US and I have the first amendment to protect me. I have every intention of respecting Websleuth's rules, and I can't bet my sheep station, since I haven't got one, but I can't be held in contempt of a court in Wales when I'm sitting here in Texas.