Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #5 *M. Bridger guilty*

[Cendlaetholwr]

Not reveal, but being on a public forum you can add to rumour and opinion weaving which could lead to a situation where it can influence potential jurors, for example. Already MB is slaughtered by many even though he *should* be considered guilty until proven otherwise. How can he get a fair trial?

ITYM "innocent until proven otherwise." But the rest of the point is valid. Any deliberations anyone on here makes, and how they may or may not end up prejudicing the trial is trivially insignificant given that most of Mach seem to have already decided MB's guilt and want him hanged. So if Welsh LE come knocking on Websleuths.com's door for posts on this and other threads, with due respect they need to be rounding up an entire town and prosecuting its residents for prejudicing MB's trial.

Further, I'm surprised that Welsh LE haven't publicly made a hard-hitting statement "(condemning) those people who have already decided the outcome of the trial" as it undermines the probability of gaining a conviction. That's the real problem, not anything that gets discussed here.

 

[nursebeeme]

he was not arrested whilst strolling along the riverbank. Where did 'strolling' come into it? He was found by LE on the A487 just East of the Dyfi bridge, walking towards town (machynlleth). He was not arrested on the riverbank at all. This is main road with 2 way vehicles.

jmo

there was a picture posted that was captured by the news media of him (possibly him) walking down the riverbank. It is linked on one of the threads

 

[Cendlaetholwr]

there was a picture posted that was captured by the news media of him (possibly him) walking down the riverbank. It is linked on one of the threads

Channel 4 News. Locals identified the person as MB, and police took the footage away as evidence. The person was seen walking westbound on the south embankment footpath of the river towards Dyfi Bridge. This is the walking route from the Corris/Ceinws area to Machynlleth town. It links to the Millennium Bridge. It's a safe walking route compared to walking along the main road, which has no pavement.

 

[jigzy]

Also bear in mind that mobile coverage in rural Wales is exceptionally bad. It's not too bad down the Dyfi valley around Mach, but the signal rapidly drops to nothing when going north to Corris and beyond. There are even several blackspots on the main road to Aberystwyth. If I was phoning someone in the Mach area and it wasn't picked up, I'd automatically assume they were out of coverage.

I can vouch for that. I live in the 1% (or even less these days perhaps) of the country that gets no mobile signal. As a result I often don't realise that my phone is switched off in my bag, as I am so used to it being sometimes useless to me.

Going in and out of signal is a fact of life around here. A bit frustrating, but also nice sometimes to be 'uncontactable'. jmo.

 

[jigzy]

I don't think it applies to the brynygog state but the villages further afield may have septic tanks rather than connected to sewer network. One could have been exposed (the lid) & well you get what im getting at or there are lots of farms dotted around with those pits in, can't remember name but the rugby star & 2 others died in one in august sometime.

There are just so many places around that area to conceal a body

I had indeed wondered if the chemical toilet disposal tanks had been searched at the caravan park, a few moments' walk away from MB's house in Ceinws, but I think the caravans are mostly static caravans rather than tourers. Those chemicals are quite ferocious at breaking down waste.

 

[Jezbel]

respectfully snipped:


A polite request is not the same as a court injunction. Although yes, I personally would respect such a request, the question at hand is can I be held in contempt of court. I would submit that I cannot. Although again… I have no intention of violating Websleuth policy. When US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates called Pastor Terry Jones of the Dove World Outreach Center asking him not to go through with his Quran burning, he really had no recourse to stop him, other than a request.

I understand the difference, I was just stating what happened in a previous case. I really don't know what the outcome would/could have been if information continued to be published when there was a publication ban, it was just a heads up.

 

[jigzy]

My point was:

MB was not arrested there on the riverbank = fact

We don't know for sure that the guy walking along the riverbank is MB = fact

That this was MB strolling along the riverbank = NOT fact

jmo

 

[Cendlaetholwr]

My point was:

MB was not arrested there on the riverbank = fact

We don't know for sure that the guy walking along the riverbank is MB = fact

That this was MB strolling along the riverbank = NOT fact

jmo

Locals ID'd him from viewing the video, but that doesn't necessarily mean they got it right.

 

[Clutchbag]

My point was:

MB was not arrested there on the riverbank = fact

We don't know for sure that the guy walking along the riverbank is MB = fact

That this was MB strolling along the riverbank = NOT fact

jmo

I agree. It might have been but can't be assumed, not one of the 8-10 locals who spotted the man said it was MB. Just one of them said the man wore similar clothing to MB on his arrest. Then a local who wasnt part of this group was shown the video and said he *believed* it was MB.

Well, all this of course according to the report.

http://www.channel4.com/news/april-jones-missing-girl-sighting-river-bank-man

 

[veggiefan]

My point was:

MB was not arrested there on the riverbank = fact

We don't know for sure that the guy walking along the riverbank is MB = fact

That this was MB strolling along the riverbank = NOT fact

jmo

And it should also be pointed out that the picture of the man on the riverbank was timed at 1.45pm, nearly two hours before MB's arrest.

 

[Insp.Dots]

I agree. It might have been but can't be assumed, not one of the 8-10 locals who spotted the man said it was MB. Just one of them said the man wore similar clothing to MB on his arrest. Then a local who wasnt part of this group was shown the video and said he *believed* it was MB.

Well, all this of course according to the report.

http://www.channel4.com/news/april-jones-missing-girl-sighting-river-bank-man

It does make you wonder if it is possible for MB to get a 'fair' trial, there seems to be an awful lot of 'Jumping on the bandwagon' going on in the town and the social networks. Witnesses are discussing what they saw, others add an opinion, then that person decides they know something and ring the police....you can just imagine the nightmare task that the police have to find fact rather than fiction and hearsay. And I feel the longer it is before they either find April or get to Trial it will just get worse and worse.:banghead:

I love the fact that WS have great admin and moderators so that we can keep debates/discussion under control!! Well done to you all

 

[Insp.Dots]

And it should also be pointed out that the picture of the man on the riverbank was timed at 1.45pm, nearly two hours before MB's arrest.

Very Good point....I was thinking that. IF it was him, as far as I can tell by the maps MB was arrested less than a Mile away,...what was he doing in that period of time???

 

[Clutchbag]

And it should also be pointed out that the picture of the man on the riverbank was timed at 1.45pm, nearly two hours before MB's arrest.

Well, it seems channel 4 have changed the time from the original 1.45 and the time all the other papers at the time reported this at

See here

http://www.channel4.com/media/images/Channel4/c4-news/2012/Oct/03/river_gfx_w_LRG.jpg

To 2.30

http://www.channel4.com/news/april-jones-missing-girl-sighting-river-bank-man

Which one is correct?

 

[jigzy]

Locals ID'd him from viewing the video, but that doesn't necessarily mean they got it right.

Not sure it was LE who showed the video to 'the locals'.

http://www.channel4.com/news/april-jones-missing-girl-sighting-river-bank-man

"A man among a group of eight to 10 volunteers told Channel 4 News the person they saw earlier wore similar clothing and matched the police description.

It is understood Mr Bridger asked one of the searchers if they had seen or heard any news in the hunt for April.

Another local person, who knows Mark Bridger, and has seen the video, believes it is him. Police have examined the footage.

Sounds like Channel 4 showed the locals. jmo

 

[nursebeeme]

folks: anything that is about his past criminal history cannot be posted or discussed due to the subjustice rules. We will have to keep this under our collective hats for now. Thanks so much.

 

[Clutchbag]

For anyone working on timelines and spottings, the sun had reported that MB was sighted at machynlleth bus station at 10am tuesday. I know its the sun and least trustworthy of reporting, but just for info, and I had never read this before

Last night it emerged cops were probing a THIRD sighting of Bridger outside Machynlleth bus station at about 10am on Tuesday.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...ars-grow-for-the-sick-girl.html#ixzz29SQ5n5Pz

 

[Cendlaetholwr]

Not sure it was LE who showed the video to 'the locals'.

http://www.channel4.com/news/april-jones-missing-girl-sighting-river-bank-man

"A man among a group of eight to 10 volunteers told Channel 4 News the person they saw earlier wore similar clothing and matched the police description.

It is understood Mr Bridger asked one of the searchers if they had seen or heard any news in the hunt for April.

Another local person, who knows Mark Bridger, and has seen the video, believes it is him. Police have examined the footage.

Sounds like Channel 4 showed the locals. jmo

Yes, it was Channel 4 News who showed the footage to the locals. I remember the news report about it.

 

[Cendlaetholwr]

For anyone working on timelines and spottings, the sun had reported that MB was sighted at machynlleth bus station at 10am tuesday. I know its the sun and least trustworthy of reporting, but just for info, and I had never read this before

Last night it emerged cops were probing a THIRD sighting of Bridger outside Machynlleth bus station at about 10am on Tuesday.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...ars-grow-for-the-sick-girl.html#ixzz29SQ5n5Pz

Except Machynlleth doesn't have a bus station. It has several bus stops, and a coach garage belonging to Lloyd's Coaches, and that's about it.

 

[Cherwell]

Well, he must have been walking along there at some point because Mr & Mrs Edwards saw him at the footbridge. I don't accept that anybody could make a positive ID purely from that video. And I bet half the men from ten miles around were wearing somewhat similar clothing, it's hardly out of the ordinary.

 

[Cendlaetholwr]

Well, he must have been walking along there at some point because Mr & Mrs Edwards saw him at the footbridge. I don't accept that anybody could make a positive ID purely from that video. And I bet half the men from ten miles around were wearing somewhat similar clothing, it's hardly out of the ordinary.

Apart from clothing, the way someone walks is a dead giveaway. Look up "Gait DNA".