Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #5 *M. Bridger guilty*

[LegallyBrunette]

Maybe put it down on the list as 2 possibly 3 children?

ETA Ignore post, just seen correction

I think MSM got it confused, who can blame them.

 

[Insp.Dots]

I didn't think so. MB moved to Mach mid eighties. MB met JW in 1989 at the Wynnstay Hotel in Mach, they married in 1990, moved to Bristol for a bit then back to Mach

Ah thanks, ok think this is possibly different stories coming from different sources...it also states in several reports...left the Army which we've been told is untrue.:banghead:
Haven't put that on info list anyway, so won't be confused and prob isn't that relevant.

 

[Clio]

As far as what Insp.Dots is trying to do re getting us a list of names for reference, since we have only got one named son of MB/JW from media, can't we just leave his name on there and not worry too much about the others be it 1 or 2?

 

[PADDYWHACK]

He said "from what I know of him".

Now leave the poor lad alone, you sound no better than that Sky interviewer

My intention is not to be insensitive, but to find facts.

 

[Clio]

Ah thanks, ok think this is possibly different stories coming from different sources...it also states in several reports...left the Army which we've been told is untrue.:banghead:
Haven't put that on info list anyway, so won't be confused and prob isn't that relevant.

See what you've started by trying to be helpful

Seriously though, it's a really useful list to have so that everyone can use a common set of initials; it's there as reference both for newcomers and as a reminder to anybody who will be following the trial. I, for one, will be hazy on who's who by then. Thanks for compiling it.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

As far as i remember, THEY moved together from Surrey in 1990...

MB is estranged from his own family. There must be a very good reason given MB's fathers job.

 

[Insp.Dots]

As far as what Insp.Dots is trying to do re getting us a list of names for reference, since we have only got one named son of MB/JW from media, can't we just leave his name on there and not worry too much about the others be it 1 or 2?

Thanks Clio...Think it's time for a cuppa!! My head is 'circling' :great:
Will happily change whatever is needed later or someone else can have a go, have tried to keep it as factual as possible which isn't easy when there are dozens of different accounts!

 

[LegallyBrunette]

As far as what Insp.Dots is trying to do re getting us a list of names for reference, since we have only got one named son of MB/JW from media, can't we just leave his name on there and not worry too much about the others be it 1 or 2?

Just to confuse the issue, the probable older son has the same initials as the known younger son. But he's not been publicly named, so agree it's best to leave it.

 

[Insp.Dots]

See what you've started by trying to be helpful

Seriously though, it's a really useful list to have so that everyone can use a common set of initials; it's there as reference both for newcomers and as a reminder to anybody who will be following the trial. I, for one, will be hazy on who's who by then. Thanks for compiling it.

Thanks, I appreciate your kind words!! :rocker:

 

[Clio]

Just to confuse the issue, the probable older son has the same initials as the known younger son. But he's not been publicly named, so agree it's best to leave it.

I know and I agree just put Scott on the list

 

[Insp.Dots]

MB is estranged from his own family. There must be a very good reason given MB's fathers job.

Don't think we're meant to be sleuthing family members???

 

[LegallyBrunette]

MB is estranged from his own family. There must be a very good reason given MB's fathers job.

Who knows why he moved from Surrey, whether he had work in the area and then met future wife so stayed around. Maybe he couldn't, or felt he couldn't, live up to family standards, that might explain the military career that MOD aren't aware of, etc.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Don't think we're meant to be sleuthing family members???

The story of his Dad was in your Sunday papers on the front page wasn't it? I don't think just mentioning it is sleuthing/investigating? Nobody has criticised or speculated about his parents and siblings.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Thanks, I appreciate your kind words!! :rocker:

We need a very strong cuppa after reading it (and a Panadol) :twocents:
(2 Taylor's of Harrogate tea bags)

 

[nursebeeme]

The story of his Dad was in your Sunday papers on the front page wasn't it? I don't think just mentioning it is sleuthing/investigating? Nobody has criticised or speculated about his parents and siblings.

yes, you can discuss what has been reported on the main stream media.

 

[LittleMissContrary]

Very good point......So where do we think he went AFTER driving from the estate?
Do we have evidence he would have only gone a certain way? I remember someone mentioning Road Blocks.

I am thinking he was either so angry he didn't care who saw him or he wasn't thinking at all!!

I personally don't believe it was a sexual motive so was she taken for some kind of revenge, I feel he didn't intend to kill, but something went drastically wrong??

in my opinion it was against CJ/PJ somehow.....he took APRIL, no other child...it wasn't random....

Thoughts please??

Well I have spoken to this issue in the past, but perhaps the idea did not gain any support because people are convinced MB is the perp.
Consider the possibility that some mistake (yes it may seem unlikely) has resulted in MB being falsely accused.
As futile as it may seem, taking the time to evaluate other lines of thinking and possible scenarios may prove to be quite productive. The other alternative is to keep chasing our tails and deeply delving into such topics as, " Correlations, interpolations, speculations, and manipulations of second and third hand juvenile witness statements" as well as "The impracticality of attempting to determine relationship variables (such as closeness or frequency of interaction)based upon the size of the community and the distribution of the people on the landscape.

I have been thinking a bit more about the map I made and I still believe I see a pattern. I am hesitant to state what that pattern seems to be, because I would expect that pattern would be recognized by more than person if it had any merit.

If anyone is curious at taking a look at the map again, here is the google map link. I can't seem to directly embed the map on this page.
The map is interactive and has the details related to the numbered incidents on the left hand side of the page in the side bar. Alternately, these informational boxes will appear when you click on the icons themselves.

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=205327856569494080612.0004cc025a35a815c6851&msa=0


I also have a spreadsheet, work in progress, of these incidents. It is nice to have something to easily compare the various abduction attempts. That page is simply a google doc, and here is the link for that document.


[URL="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Apo5hrhE4vewdFQ5LThxcTFibGMtdlhDT1NUcGNXNnc&single=true&gid=0&output=html"]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Apo5hrhE4vewdFQ5LThxcTFibGMtdlhDT1NUcGNXNnc&single=true&gid=0&output=html[/URL]

 

[Insp.Dots]

The story of his Dad was in your Sunday papers on the front page wasn't it? I don't think just mentioning it is sleuthing/investigating? Nobody has criticised or speculated about his parents and siblings.

Ok, Thanks, wasn't sure so I asked? :seeya:

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Ok, Thanks, wasn't sure so I asked? :seeya:

They sound like a lovely family, his Dad wouldn't have had that job (as you all know) without the highest security clearance. Whatever the outcome of the trial, I can't imagine what they are suffering now.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

Don't think we're meant to be sleuthing family members???

I'm not sleuthing his family members. I've stated a fact that he is estranged from them. According to a neighbour MB left 20 yrs ago and hasn't been back.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Well I have spoken to this issue in the past, but perhaps the idea did not gain any support because people are convinced MB is the perp.
Consider the possibility that some mistake (yes it may seem unlikely) has resulted in MB being falsely accused.
As futile as it may seem, taking the time to evaluate other lines of thinking and possible scenarios may prove to be quite productive. The other alternative is to keep chasing our tails and deeply delving into such topics as, " Correlations, interpolations, speculations, and manipulations of second and third hand juvenile witness statements" as well as "The impracticality of attempting to determine relationship variables (such as closeness or frequency of interaction)based upon the size of the community and the distribution of the people on the landscape.

I have been thinking a bit more about the map I made and I still believe I see a pattern. I am hesitant to state what that pattern seems to be, because I would expect that pattern would be recognized by more than person if it had any merit.

If anyone is curious at taking a look at the map again, here is the google map link. I can't seem to directly embed the map on this page.
The map is interactive and has the details related to the numbered incidents on the left hand side of the page in the side bar. Alternately, these informational boxes will appear when you click on the icons themselves.

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=205327856569494080612.0004cc025a35a815c6851&msa=0


I also have a spreadsheet, work in progress, of these incidents. It is nice to have something to easily compare the various abduction attempts. That page is simply a google doc, and here is the link for that document.

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You have put a lot of work and thought into this and that is to be commended. To be honest, the only link I can see is 'white van'. The closest to Machynlleth is Gwent, and the offenders were described as 20's. Three cases are in Ireland, two in Limerick and one in Derry (nowhere near each other).
I don't think it's necessarily the case that people are convinced about MB's guilt, but CPS has examined the evidence and determined there was enough to make the charges, he has faced a magistrate and a judge and his defence have not submitted that there is no case to answer, which they would if the evidence was flimsy.

Not to say that MB acted alone. We don't know yet. The Judge at Crown Court commented to the prosecution that 'matters may develop'. (this was in reference to setting a date for the trial).