Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #5 *M. Bridger guilty*

[LegallyBrunette]

I'm not sleuthing his family members. I've stated a fact that he is estranged from them. According to a neighbour MB left 20 yrs ago and hasn't been back.

Must have been 20'ish when he left.

 

[Cendlaetholwr]

I thought the police were watching the estuary? Isn't there a report of another death in that river taking 9 days for the body to wash out to the estuary? This is a close knit gossiping community. Bridger would know she would be reported missing immediately. How could he be certain of dumping a body in the river and getting away with it.

Yes and yes, but it would only take a matter of a few hours for a child's body to get washed out to sea. Heck, I could walk from Mach to Ynyslas/Aberdovey in the space of an afternoon quite easily.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

Must have been 20'ish when he left.

I'd like to know why, but I'm sure that will come out after the trial.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Yes and yes, but it would only take a matter of a few hours for a child's body to get washed out to sea. Heck, I could walk from Mach to Ynyslas/Aberdovey in the space of an afternoon quite easily.

For those of us in here whose heads are still spinning from 'Dots' family tree and can't think straight - can you explain about the river/s - the river that passed by MB house at Ceinwy - is it the same or does it join the Dyfi?

 

[TulipaNoir]

Ah thanks, ok think this is possibly different stories coming from different sources...it also states in several reports...left the Army which we've been told is untrue.:banghead:
Haven't put that on info list anyway, so won't be confused and prob isn't that relevant.

Bridger, from Croydon in Surrey, moved to mid-Wales about 25 years ago. He met his first wife, Julie Williams, in 1989 at the Wynnstay Hotel in Machynlleth where he was working as a kitchen porter and she was a receptionist.

After a brief stay in Bristol, the couple moved back to Machynlleth where they married in 1990. They had two sons, Shaun and Scott, before they split in 1992.

Shortly after, Bridger moved in with another girlfriend, setting up home in her rented cottage in the centre of Machynlleth.

Bridger has known April’s mother Coral for a number of years. He once lived a few doors down from her when he was living with another former girlfriend.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/350567/We-ll-never-give-up-on-April

 

[Insp.Dots]

For those of us in here whose heads are still spinning from 'Dots' family tree and can't think straight - can you explain about the river/s - the river that passed by MB house at Ceinwy - is it the same or does it join the Dyfi?

Was only trying to help...Honest!!:what:
Our friend will explain better I'm sure but the Dulas is the river at the back of MB's house I think, not sure whether it joins the Dyfi but probable.

I cannot accentuate enough the size of the Dyfi estuary though, it is massive.
At it's end near Ynyslas is ALL beach...So big I was taken for some driving lessons on it! It really is a beautiful part of the country and well worth a visit!! :great:

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Was only trying to help...Honest!!:what:
Our friend will explain better I'm sure but the Dulas is the river at the back of MB's house I think, not sure whether it joins the Dyfi but probable.

I cannot accentuate enough the size of the Dyfi estuary though, it is massive.
At it's end near Ynyslas is ALL beach...So big I was taken for some driving lessons on it! It really is a beautiful part of the country and well worth a visit!! :great:

Thank you for both, I wouldn't have taken on the first task and I love genealogy!

Dots, you are a long way from the Dyfi now - although a beautiful part of the country

Will stop being lazy and have a look at Google maps.

There are some photos of the police searching beach around the estuary - looks like low tide (scoop ]

 

[Elainera]

I am thinking he was either so angry he didn't care who saw him or he wasn't thinking at all!!

I personally don't believe it was a sexual motive so was she taken for some kind of revenge, I feel he didn't intend to kill, but something went drastically wrong??

in my opinion it was against CJ/PJ somehow.....he took APRIL, no other child...it wasn't random....

Thoughts please??

I also think he wasn't thinking. He's a man of action anyway not a deep thinker and planner, is my opinion.

I also don't think he intended to kill her but acted out some anger he had - for whatever reason - and wanted to scare the parents, or people on the estate in general? It could have been random, maybe he knew that April would be the most willing to get into the car, maybe she had expressed enthusiasm about riding in it before. Maybe he just waved to the two girls and April was the only one to come over.

He could have had some "I'll show them" moment. "I take April and hide her and make them all scared and in the morning I bring her back. They won't/can't do anything, I'm family after all, I don't do anything wrong."

And then something went wrong and far beyond what he had thought he'd do.

I think he brought her to his home initally and it was there that something happened. Maybe April cried and he got inpatient with her, lost his temper ...

I think he went on foot with her body into the surrounding area and buried her somewhere. Or used his car and drove along some back roads, but not far.

 

[TulipaNoir]

For those of us in here whose heads are still spinning from 'Dots' family tree and can't think straight - can you explain about the river/s - the river that passed by MB house at Ceinwy - is it the same or does it join the Dyfi?

I think the river in Ceinws is the Dulas, which is a tributary of the Dyfi.

 

[Cendlaetholwr]

For those of us in here whose heads are still spinning from 'Dots' family tree and can't think straight - can you explain about the river/s - the river that passed by MB house at Ceinwy - is it the same or does it join the Dyfi?

The Dulas is the river that passes Ceinws. It joins the Dyfi approx 200yds east of the Millennium Bridge. The "other" local put up a map on one of the other threads that highlighted all three local rivers.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

This is gold

CONFLUENCE: River Dyfi and South Dulas, Machynlleth, Powys, Wales, UK
in River Origins, Destinations and Confluences
52° 35.465 W 003° 49.898
30U E 443663 N 5827109

Long Description:
A Conflunce of the river dyfi and the river South Dulas near a parking area to the east of Machynlleth. It is shallow and wading could be done for the more adventurous.
It rises in the small lake Creiglyn Dyfi at about 1,900 feet (580 m) above sea level, below Aran Fawddwy, flowing south to Dinas Mawddwy and Cemmaes Road, then south west past Machynlleth to Cardigan Bay at Aberdyfi. It shares its watershed with the River Severn and the River Dee before flowing generally south-westwards down to a wide estuary. The only large town on its route is Machynlleth.
Because of its origins high in the Cambrian Mountains and its relatively short length, it is prone to flooding and some roads in the lower catchment can become impassable during very wet weather. It is a relatively pristine river with few polluting inputs and is notable for its Salmon and Brown Trout.
The catchment area was notable for its now defunct lead mines and slate quarries, especially around Corris and Dinas Mawddwy.

And as a random claim to fame; The Dyfi's estuary was used as a location shot in Led Zeppelin's 1976 film The Song Remains the Same. This is an area about 4 miles West of this waymark. The segment of the film is where Robert Plant comes ashore on a boat, after which he rides a horse, making his way to Raglan Castle. Plant was obviously behind the choice of the location, being familiar with the area. Bron-Yr-Aur cottage is located on the edge of Machynlleth, where he and the band wrote many songs while on holiday, inc 'Bron-yr-Aur Stomp'.

http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/...fi_and_South_Dulas_Machynlleth_Powys_Wales_UK

 

[Cendlaetholwr]

Bridger, from Croydon in Surrey, moved to mid-Wales about 25 years ago. He met his first wife, Julie Williams, in 1989 at the Wynnstay Hotel in Machynlleth where he was working as a kitchen porter and she was a receptionist.

After a brief stay in Bristol, the couple moved back to Machynlleth where they married in 1990. They had two sons, Shaun and Scott, before they split in 1992.

Shortly after, Bridger moved in with another girlfriend, setting up home in her rented cottage in the centre of Machynlleth.

Bridger has known April’s mother Coral for a number of years. He once lived a few doors down from her when he was living with another former girlfriend.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/350567/We-ll-never-give-up-on-April

A friend of mine is utterly convinced that there was a Bridger Senior working on the railway in Mach when my friend was involved with things up there, in the late 80s/early 90s. Father of MB?

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I think the river in Ceinws is the Dulas, which is a tributary of the Dyfi.

I misspelt 'Ceinws' - please excuse me - Welsh is new to me, closest rels are from the Gaeltacht in SW Eire, their first language is Irish Gaelic.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

A friend of mine is utterly convinced that there was a Bridger Senior working on the railway in Mach when my friend was involved with things up there, in the late 80s/early 90s. Father of MB?

Unless it was an uncle? Wasn't his Dad in the Police?

 

[Insp.Dots]

Thank you for both, I wouldn't have taken on the first task and I love genealogy!

Dots, you are a long way from the Dyfi now - although a beautiful part of the country

I do love Wales, especially that area, many happy memories. My Father was born in Wrexham, so I get the love from him. I live a mile from the sea in Cornwall now so I know I'm lucky for that.

Can't beat the Welsh people for their warm welcome and friendship....some say otherwise but everywhere I've been from Wrexham to Cardiff they are all lovely!:rocker:

Will stop being lazy and have a look at Google maps.

There are some photos of the police searching beach around the estuary - looks like low tide (scoop ]

Hehe, I don't mind doing whatever, I think it's great that everyone brings an opinion to the group and it is well debated. You really should look on google maps if only to look at the beauty!!
:great:

 

[TulipaNoir]

I misspelt 'Ceinws' - please excuse me - Welsh is new to me, closest rels are from the Gaeltacht in SW Eire, their first language is Irish Gaelic.

I live in Wales, and I struggle with it * . But then I'm Dutch, so I hope I am excused too .

* I meant struggle with Welsh, not living here! It's certainly a beautiful country!!!!

 

[LegallyBrunette]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/search-for-april-jones-latest-specialist-1384882

Specialist helicopters were yesterday drafted into the hunt for five-year-old April Jones to look for evidence of a shallow grave.

The move came as police vowed there was “no end date” to the search.

Up to 200 rescuers remain involved in the hunt for the youngster, abducted nearly three weeks ago and presumed murdered.

The helicopters and other aircraft will scour land for disturbed earth around accused Mark Bridger’s last known address in a village near April’s Welsh home.

Yesterday 150 officers from UK forces outside Wales left the operation.

 

[Insp.Dots]

I also think he wasn't thinking. He's a man of action anyway not a deep thinker and planner, is my opinion.

I also don't think he intended to kill her but acted out some anger he had - for whatever reason - and wanted to scare the parents, or people on the estate in general? It could have been random, maybe he knew that April would be the most willing to get into the car, maybe she had expressed enthusiasm about riding in it before. Maybe he just waved to the two girls and April was the only one to come over.

He could have had some "I'll show them" moment. "I take April and hide her and make them all scared and in the morning I bring her back. They won't/can't do anything, I'm family after all, I don't do anything wrong."

And then something went wrong and far beyond what he had thought he'd do.

I think he brought her to his home initally and it was there that something happened. Maybe April cried and he got inpatient with her, lost his temper ...

I think he went on foot with her body into the surrounding area and buried her somewhere. Or used his car and drove along some back roads, but not far.

Yes, I think very similar and wrote very similar a few posts back. Although, I wonder if I'm (as I usually do) trying to see the best in someone....NOT defending his actions (if proven) in anyway, but from all that we have heard about him he doesn't appear murderous or a Paedophile. Just a run of the mill man who may has possibly acted without much thought and very quick regret!

The bit that doesn't make sense is if that is true....why hasn't he confessed or told them where April is??
And the perverting charge....doesn't sound like he's been co-operative???

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I live in Wales, and I struggle with it * . But then I'm Dutch, so I hope I am excused too .

* I meant struggle with Welsh, not living here! It's certainly a beautiful country!!!!

I'm finding out from watching the news how many ways there are to pronounce 'Machynlleth'.

 

[Elainera]

Will happily change whatever is needed later or someone else can have a go, have tried to keep it as factual as possible which isn't easy when there are dozens of different accounts!

You did a great job!