Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #5 *M. Bridger guilty*

[uk_sleuth]

In my cps link, did anyone read the Threshold Test section? would this case apply to those circumstances. Ongoing searches and all.... or am i reading it wrong?

 

[Clutchbag]

Personally, something just doesn't feel right. There was something about the way this investigation unfolded that made me more uncomfortable and less sure, than relieved as time has gone on. No evidence has been made public and so it's impossible for us to take that into account and so I have only been able to weigh up what I have been privy to - which amounts to details that have constantly changed - which destroys confidence rather than build it in this instance.

Also, for example, unlike the recent Tia Sharpe case where the public were made very aware almost instantly by the press of the grandmother's boyfriend's criminal history - all of which was very serious and conveyed a massive lack of judgement and morals, nothing has yet been made public about MB that would be equal to that kind of history.

There was also 'something' about the way their story was told and about them that made people immediately sense that something odd was going on. Even the police suspected a Shannon Matthews type situation until the body was found up in the loft, after three searches.

Clearly the police are not infallible.

Do I have faith in our justice system? Hard to answer - I'd like to think that all police/ doctors/ MP's etc are moral and honest but having seen first hand various examples of this not being entirely true, it would be naive to not consider all options.

For E.g. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-18901925

Or the footage of the police officer hitting Ian Tomlinson with a baton even though he was walking away and had his back to them, which resulted in his death.

The police in this case hopefully have an abundance of evidence pertaining to the guilt of MB (if he is the guilty party) and will easily convince a jury that he carried out this heinous crime and he will be locked up and the key thrown away.

If, however, it is all circumstantial and he was in the wrong place at the wrong time (visiting his children after parent's evening, driving noticeably because his car wasn't working properly etc) and sort of fits a description or owns a vehicle that maybe in different kinds of light etc could somehow tie him to this crime and is a lad about town who needs to be brought down a peg or two (who knows?) - then for so many reasons, mainly the fact that the real perpetrator is still out there and April could have been found, it would be a complete travesty.

I am not saying he is innocent come what may, I am saying that I am presuming him to be innocent until it can be proved otherwise, which may be instant depending on the evidence brought forth at the trial.

this has got to be the post of the century here, here here

 

[Adorabella]

Why hasn't this man been named?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-19995684

Er....because that's the normal way of policing?

 

[PADDYWHACK]

Er....because that's the normal way of policing?

But he's been arrested suspected of murder. Shouldn't they name him like they did Bridger even before he was charged?

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I think people are just trying to make sense of things and sadly the press reporting cannot be relied upon.

I think what is the danger here is just as serious as a person yelling up hill and down dale that the accused is guilty.
The instructions are that once the matter is subjudice people don't run around proclaiming their opinion EITHER way. Cheer squads for MB the good bloke are no different to the clowns on FB calling for all the macabre punishments.
Accepting that Police have presented evidence which CPS have decided is sufficient to charge with child abduction, murder and attempting to pervert the course of justice is NOT saying the accused is guilty.
Just because that evidence is not printed in the Daily Mirror chapter and verse does not mean it doesn't exist.
'We' don't need to be judging anything now, that is for the Court and the jurors.

 

[Elainera]

There seems to be a lack of faith in their investigation and what they have used to charge this guy. Why is that?

This is one reason:

from May 2012 "IPCC receives 631 corruption allegation complaints about Welsh police forces - A report by the police watchdog shows Dyfed-Powys Police topped a list with corruption allegations made against it for the size of its force."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-18199087

 

[Clio]

But he's been arrested suspected of murder. Shouldn't they name him like they did Bridger even before he was charged?

The naming of MB before charging is an unprecidented act by LE. They had to take legal advice before being allowed to do so. They determined that the possible benefit of finding April outweighted the legal risks they were taking. It is the exception not the rule.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

But he's been arrested suspected of murder. Shouldn't they name him like they did Bridger even before he was charged?

Police said they took the unusual step of naming the suspect because a young child's safety was involved, presumably hoping if he was found quickly she might still be alive.

 

[Clutchbag]

Why hasn't this man been named?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-19995684

Good question!! Perhaps cos sky didnt already do so

 

[Adorabella]

But he's been arrested suspected of murder. Shouldn't they name him like they did Bridger even before he was charged?

Naming MB publicly was an unusual step....as was reported by all news outlets.

 

[jigzy]

Indeed, what I have found odd about this case from the beginning is the word 'Kidnapped'. The McCanns and media circus brought the word 'Abduction' into our everyday vocabulary, so why would the news break at Bryn Y Gog estate using the term 'kidnap' rather than 'abduction' I wonder. Just a bit odd, imo.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

This is one reason:

from May 2012 "IPCC receives 631 corruption allegation complaints about Welsh police forces - A report by the police watchdog shows Dyfed-Powys Police topped a list with corruption allegations made against it for the size of its force."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-18199087

Wow! That is astonishing.

 

[Clutchbag]

e:

Police said they took the unusual step of naming the suspect because a young child's safety was involved, presumably hoping if he was found quickly she might still be alive.

so police dont care for adults safety or that they might be found quickly and still alive
what tosh

 

[Adorabella]

Police said they took the unusual step of naming the suspect because a young child's safety was involved, presumably hoping if he was found quickly she might still be alive.

I think he was already in custody when his name and likeness were made public.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

Indeed, what I have found odd about this case from the beginning is the word 'Kidnapped'. The McCanns and media circus brought the word 'Abduction' into our everyday vocabulary, so why would the news break at Bryn Y Gog estate using the term 'kidnap' rather than 'abduction' I wonder. Just a bit odd, imo.

It was Coral Jones who stated she has been "kidnapped"

 

[bijoux]

Who here has accused him of being a paedophile?

Well, Dr Joe Sullivan, " a forensic psychologist...an expert in the character and behaviour of child sex offenders" was brought in to assist and give advice to LE regarding the questioning of the accused.

The Telegraph

 

[Insp.Dots]

In my cps link, did anyone read the Threshold Test section? would this case apply to those circumstances. Ongoing searches and all.... or am i reading it wrong?

Yes, Just Thank you....it looks very interesting bedtime reading and certainly helps you understand a bit more the workings of the CPS and how they get to the conclusions that they do...

I genuinely think if alot of us on here read this through it would make things clearer. Thanks for posting it!:great:

 

[Elainera]

or why Coral made the sound of crying without producing a single wet tear

I had that very same experience today myself. Today I held a cat in my arms while she was dying. She had been attacked by dogs and didn't make it. She was pregnant as well. I walked around in a daze most of the day, I was very shocked and sad. Every once in a while I felt like crying, I wanted to cry, let it all out, I felt crushed. My face started to twitch and turning into a grimace - but no tears were coming. Usually I'm not like that, I can cry when I'm sad. But today I was just too shocked, kind of frozen. I guess that's what happened to Coral, and I totally understand her.

Later, when I talked to someone on the phone and they were very compassionte I finally broke down and cried. And surely Coral did (and does) too.

I don't think anything can be judged by how ordinary people who are going through a major trauma and are scared beyong bearable, suddenly finding themselves in front of a dozen press cameras and microphones, behave. It's just all too much and while some people can let their emotions show and come out, others freeze up and have a kind of shell around them.

It's totally human.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

In my cps link, did anyone read the Threshold Test section? would this case apply to those circumstances. Ongoing searches and all.... or am i reading it wrong?

It would apply but I suspect it didn't need to be applied because the CPS said he was satisfied there was sufficient evidence AND that it was in the public interest to proceed with the charges.
That is the 'Full Code Test' referred to which is in two parts, evidence and public interest.
They would only have gone to the Threshold if there wasn't enough evidence to satisfy the evidence test.
Here is the whole press conference, CPS Iwan Jenkins and police, for anyone who hasn't seen it.
April Jones Murder - Mark Bridger charged with girl's murder - YouTube

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I had that very same experience today myself. Today I held a cat in my arms while she was dying. She had been attacked by dogs and didn't make it. She was pregnant as well. I walked around in a daze most of the day, I was very shocked and sad. Every once in a while I felt like crying, I wanted to cry, let it all out, I felt crushed. My face started to twitch and turning into a grimace - but no tears were coming. Usually I'm not like that, I can cry when I'm sad. But today I was just too shocked, kind of frozen. I guess that's what happened to Coral, and I totally understand her.

Later, when I talked to someone on the phone and they were very compassionte I finally broke down and cried. And surely Coral did (and does) too.

I don't think anything can be judged by how ordinary people who are going through a major trauma and are scared beyong bearable, suddenly finding themselves in front of a dozen press cameras and microphones, behave. It's just all too much and while some people can let their emotions show and come out, others freeze up and have a kind of shell around them.

It's totally human.

Very sorry for your poor little cat :-(