Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #5 *M. Bridger guilty*

[LegallyBrunette]

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so police dont care for adults safety or that they might be found quickly and still alive
what tosh

<modsnip>, police have arrested the suspect for the murder of the missing vet.

 

[Clutchbag]

:truce:

Well, Dr Joe Sullivan, " a forensic psychologist...an expert in the character and behaviour of child sex offenders" was brought in to assist and give advice to LE regarding the questioning of the accused.

The Telegraph

Just procedure and no proof

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Well, Dr Joe Sullivan, " a forensic psychologist...an expert in the character and behaviour of child sex offenders" was brought in to assist and give advice to LE regarding the questioning of the accused.

The Telegraph

That doesn't mean the accused is a paedophile, the word has been bandied about here by one or two but not the majority.
MB has not been charged with an offence that implies that either.

 

[wfgodot]

o/t but mentioned earlier above; WS now has a Missing Forum Discussion thread on the missing vet, Catherine Gowing:

UK (N Wales) Catherine Gowing, 37, Queensferry, Flintshire; 12 October 2012

 

[Amber34]

Why hasn't this man been named?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-19995684

I don't believe they would have named Bridger either until he was charged if they could have gotten away with it. However, it was such a high profile case and his name was being bandied about by all, so they probably gave in long before they wanted to.

As an aside, may I politely request that you all stop posting when I am out working. Do you have any idea how long it's going to take me to get through that lot? :tantrum: And I didn't leave until lunchtime!

 

[TulipaNoir]

Indeed, what I have found odd about this case from the beginning is the word 'Kidnapped'. The McCanns and media circus brought the word 'Abduction' into our everyday vocabulary, so why would the news break at Bryn Y Gog estate using the term 'kidnap' rather than 'abduction' I wonder. Just a bit odd, imo.

Thank you. Very Interesting. Just googled the difference. I thought the words were used interchangeably. (Sorry English is not my first language).

 

[Insp.Dots]

I had that very same experience today myself. Today I held a cat in my arms while she was dying. She had been attacked by dogs and didn't make it. She was pregnant as well. I walked around in a daze most of the day, I was very shocked and sad. Every once in a while I felt like crying, I wanted to cry, let it all out, I felt crushed. My face started to twitch and turning into a grimace - but no tears were coming. Usually I'm not like that, I can cry when I'm sad. But today I was just too shocked, kind of frozen. I guess that's what happened to Coral, and I totally understand her.

Later, when I talked to someone on the phone and they were very compassionate cried. And surely Coral did (and does) too.

I don't think anything can be judged by how ordinary people who are going through a major trauma and are scared beyong bearable, suddenly finding themselves in front of a dozen press cameras and microphones, behave. It's just all too much and while some people can let their emotions show and come out, others freeze up and have a kind of shell around them.

It's totally human.

Totally right..I am so sorry you lost your beloved pet, it is such a sad thing to lose a pet, and Pregnant makes it all the more painful.

I also agree with the 'no tears' part. My Dad died a few years ago (he was my hero) I wanted to speak at his funeral but I was worried I would crack whilst speaking and I was determined....I didn't cry for the whole day, until like you someone said something later and I completely broke down and the tears wouldn't stop.

We are all different and react to shocking/upsetting events differently.....also it is a well known fact that when there is immense shock our brain triggers a certain chemical and some are known to be in total denial...The bodies way of protecting us I think.

 

[Elainera]

Very sorry for your poor little cat :-(

Thank you.

 

[Clutchbag]

i think parents might use either terms kidnap or abduction

 

[Elainera]

Sorry to read that, but did you use a tissue to wipe away tears that weren't there too?

No but I remember rubbing my eyes.

I think it's normal. You feel like crying, you kind of start, but nothing is really coming out, but you go through the motions anyway.

 

[Clutchbag]

Totally right..I am so sorry you lost your beloved pet, it is such a sad thing to lose a pet, and Pregnant makes it all the more painful.

I also agree with the 'no tears' part. My Dad died a few years ago (he was my hero) I wanted to speak at his funeral but I was worried I would crack whilst speaking and I was determined....I didn't cry for the whole day, until like you someone said something later and I completely broke down and the tears wouldn't stop.

We are all different and react to shocking/upsetting events differently.....also it is a well known fact that when there is immense shock our brain triggers a certain chemical and some are known to be in total denial...The bodies way of protecting us I think.

theres nothing here that makes me suspect the mum

 

[sleuther317]

I have narrowed it down to two scenarios that I believe could have happened it in fact MB is guilty:

1) This was a highly thought out planned abduction. MB is a very sophisticated killer. He planned everything down to the T, murdered her and disposed of the body without a trace.
*****Now I find this highly unlikely because he was driving erratically through the streets where she was abducted, with a faulty vehicle, left a witness (so to speak), and then instead of hiding just trotted down the street back into town to be arrested.

2) This was a rage killing. He murdered her, cleaned up, and disposed of the body leaving evidence in his cottage.
*****And I find this unlikely because they held him for almost the full 96 hours THEN charged him with murder. If they had walked into a bloody crime scene or even one uncovered by black light he would have been charged with murder earlier not when they exhausted the holding time.

That is why I am so bothered by this case. Maybe someone can enlighten me with other possibilities other than the fact that he is not responsible.
TIA

 

[Cendlaetholwr]

But isn't the no case to answer determined by the CPS? i.e. Once the CPS approve charging someone, it's past that stage? Case then goes to trial and the end result is Guilty or Not Guilty. Or possible hung jury and retrial

You've forgotten to include the possibility of the Judge throwing the case out when he/she sees the prosecution's case. It would typically happen after he/she calls both QCs/Barristers into the office, then go back into court and formally discharge the case, and the defendant, and give the CPS a verbal kick up the backside.

 

[Inge Jones]

okay so maybe I should ask it this way... do you have much faith in your system of Law Enforcement?

I don't. I don't trust the police automatically - there are bad and good, and whole groups of them who will do anything to make sure none of them gets into trouble over anything. We've seen videos of them with their numbers covered so they can't be reported when they use excessive force. And I am someone who has never ever been in trouble with the law, so I don't have an axe to grind.

There are some wonderful police officers, but you can't simply take it for granted here, IMHO.

Quite apart from those who I think must have joined for bad reasons, there is this target culture where they're expected to solve a certain amount of crimes in a certain amount of time.

 

[TulipaNoir]

I had that very same experience today myself. Today I held a cat in my arms while she was dying. She had been attacked by dogs and didn't make it. She was pregnant as well. I walked around in a daze most of the day, I was very shocked and sad. Every once in a while I felt like crying, I wanted to cry, let it all out, I felt crushed. My face started to twitch and turning into a grimace - but no tears were coming. Usually I'm not like that, I can cry when I'm sad. But today I was just too shocked, kind of frozen. I guess that's what happened to Coral, and I totally understand her.

Later, when I talked to someone on the phone and they were very compassionte I finally broke down and cried. And surely Coral did (and does) too.

I don't think anything can be judged by how ordinary people who are going through a major trauma and are scared beyong bearable, suddenly finding themselves in front of a dozen press cameras and microphones, behave. It's just all too much and while some people can let their emotions show and come out, others freeze up and have a kind of shell around them.

It's totally human.

Very sorry to hear about your beloved pet.

You are right, everyone reacts differently. I think I would freeze in front of the cameras.

 

[Elainera]

Totally right..I am so sorry you lost your beloved pet, it is such a sad thing to lose a pet, and Pregnant makes it all the more painful.

I also agree with the 'no tears' part. My Dad died a few years ago (he was my hero) I wanted to speak at his funeral but I was worried I would crack whilst speaking and I was determined....I didn't cry for the whole day, until like you someone said something later and I completely broke down and the tears wouldn't stop.

We are all different and react to shocking/upsetting events differently.....also it is a well known fact that when there is immense shock our brain triggers a certain chemical and some are known to be in total denial...The bodies way of protecting us I think.

Thank you for your kind words. Yes, I think you are very right, our bodies protect us when it's all too much to take in at once. We try to keep it together when the pain is too much. I think Coral did that too.

I'm sorry your dad and hero died.

Oh and btw, this cat wasn't my pet, she was a stray. I rescue strays, mostly dogs, sometimes cats. But it was very painful to watch nevertheless (we had been to the vet but she died anyway). I feel sad I never got to know her better while she roamed the neighbourhood. I tried but she was too shy to come. Now she's buried in my garden, a candle is on ...

Sorry OT!

 

[Clutchbag]

You've forgotten to include the possibility of the Judge throwing the case out when he/she sees the prosecution's case. It would typically happen after he/she calls both QCs/Barristers into the office, then go back into court and formally discharge the case, and the defendant, and give the CPS a verbal kick up the backside.

Halleluha

This stinks of the wrong man

 

[Insp.Dots]

Thank you for your kind words. Yes, I think you are very right, our bodies protect us when it's all too much to take in at once. We try to keep it together when the pain is too much. I think Coral did that too.

I'm sorry your dad and hero died.

Oh and btw, this cat wasn't my pet, she was a stray. I rescue strays, mostly dogs, sometimes cats. But it was very painful to watch nevertheless (we had been to the vet but she died anyway). I feel sad I never got to know her better while she roamed the neighbourhood. I tried but she was too shy to come. Now she's buried in my garden, a candle is on ...

Sorry OT!

Oh Gosh, That really is so sad......poor little thing she didn't have much of a life at all then, At least you did all you could for her. Many wouldn't!!
Thank you also for your kind words....we live, learn and deal with it I think! lease:

 

[bijoux]

Mr Hartigan, 70, claimed Bridger was a fantasist.

He said: “Mark told me he was in Special Forces and was in Iraq and Afghanistan but he’s never been in the Army.”

Give you a break? How can you possibly know that it is not true, or what his motivation is?

Yes, to many of us MB's circumstances could be seen as sad but to others it could be seen entirely differently. A number of middle-aged men would love to be on their own and doing what they want, when they want with no one to answer to...and possibly building up a nice collection of empties, too!

And by the way...it seems from what you posted that the sister's boyf is 70 years of age. That in itself makes me question his motivation in judging a man at least 25 years his junior. Different generation for one and envy could be another. There could be all sorts of family issues to generate that comment...and who knows, maybe this man is the reason MB is estranged from his family. The point is WE DON"T KNOW and therefore I will not judge MB based on anything other than the facts!

But the Ministry of Defence has no records of MB having been in any of the armed forces, so Mr Hartigan spoke the truth.

Blimey, your logic is um..not logical!

Oh yeah, and then there were the words of one of MB's colleagues which makes me understand even better Hartigan's comment that MB was a 'fantasist':

Wynnstay Hotel in Machynlleth, where he had a reputation for being “the sort of bloke who would walk in and start talking about how he had done everything and bought the T-shirt”, according to one former colleague.

“Everything you had done, he had done better than you.”

The Telegraph

 

[Elainera]

Oh Gosh, That really is so sad......poor little thing she didn't have much of a life at all then, At least you did all you could for her. Many wouldn't!!
Thank you also for your kind words....we live, learn and deal with it I think! lease:

Yes the strays here don't have an easy life and there are not many who want to help them. Sadly

We live, learn and deal with it - yes, thank you, that helps me actually.