Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #6 *M. Bridger guilty*

[bijoux]

This means, whoever was parked at those garages was ready to take ANY CHILD.

Opportunity is key, yes, but I believe AJ was targeted.

They said the searchers were all given briefings a lot more detailed than what can be in MSM, and they all know what they're looking for.

That has really disturbed me but please tell me it shouldn't.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Do you see the point I am trying to make? Many of us have been tying April to MB and looking for solutions re family ties, or connections. We can't, because if it was MB, he would never have known April would go right to the place he is said to have been parked. April's mum could have called her in for tea at any time.

This means, whoever was parked at those garages was ready to take ANY CHILD.

The elderly witness said the vehicle drove up and down the road and THEN parked at/near/behind the garages, whoever was in the car, presumably MB since he's the one charged, might have driven up and down until he saw where the children were.
He was at the parent -teacher meeting, he has at least one child at that school or possibly two, could have been told or overheard that AJ had an excellent report and was playing outside for a while. There are differing accounts of where her parents were when she was abducted, some say they were back at the school, others say Mum was at home getting tea (maybe Dad was back at school - they have a 10 year old as well)

 

[Inge Jones]

Do you see the point I am trying to make? Many of us have been tying April to MB and looking for solutions re family ties, or connections. We can't, because if it was MB, he would never have known April would go right to the place he is said to have been parked. April's mum could have called her in for tea at any time.

This means, whoever was parked at those garages was ready to take ANY CHILD.

...or none, and he ran over her and stupidly picked her up and threw her in car rather than admit he'd just run over a child. Maybe she climbed into the car with his knowledge, climbed back out again, with his knowledge, then he started up, in gear (which one of our members said you have to do when you have a certain type of problem) and crunch!! - she was standing too close.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

The elderly witness said the vehicle drove up and down the road and THEN parked at/near/behind the garages, whoever was in the car, presumably MB since he's the one charged, might have driven up and down until he saw where the children were.
He was at the parent -teacher meeting, he has at least one child at that school or possibly two, could have been told or overheard that AJ had an excellent report and was playing outside for a while. There are differing accounts of where her parents were when she was abducted, some say they were back at the school, others say Mum was at home getting tea (maybe Dad was back at school - they have a 10 year old as well)

Then they have more than a 7yr old witness. They have an elderly person who can identify the vehicle exactly. How could they not if it was driving up and down? It still doesn't mean April alone would have been targeted does it. It means anyone of those girls could be missing now.

 

[jigzy]

Sorry, this sentence confuses me? Are you saying that they are searching "for two people"?

Apologies. My lack of a comma is confusing. It should read:

...searching for, to people in......

 

[LegallyBrunette]

...or none, and he ran over her and stupidly picked her up and threw her in car rather than admit he'd just run over a child. Maybe she climbed into the car with his knowledge, climbed back out again, with his knowledge, then he started up, in gear (which one of our members said you have to do when you have a certain type of problem) and crunch!! - she was standing too close.

If you start it in gear wouldn't you need the clutch in - or do you just let it jump forward and stall?
And this theory assumes that nobody saw or heard a child being run over even though there were children out playing and neighbours who could see the garage area.

 

[Marymead]

The only thing they could use the child witness for, if anything, is the abduction charge. They have to have a lot more including forensic for the murder charge, CPS guidebook was posted on the last thread that closed last night, there are high hurdles to get over before the charges can be made.

I have read the CPS Code for Crown Prosecutors, and maybe you could clarify that if the Threshold Test was applied (which would - imo - be most likely) there really has to be an 'expectation' that more evidence is still possible, as well of course as fulfilling the other conditions set out.

As I can't fathom out how to post a link to the cps.gov site myself, could someone else do it for me please ?? The relevant sections I'm referring to are 5.3 and 5.4 on pages 16, 17 and 18. Interesting reading I thought, and explains why the search continues in such strength.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

...or none, and he ran over her and stupidly picked her up and threw her in car rather than admit he'd just run over a child. Maybe she climbed into the car with his knowledge, climbed back out again, with his knowledge, then he started up, in gear (which one of our members said you have to do when you have a certain type of problem) and crunch!! - she was standing too close.

Yes, a possibility of an accident. It would certainly account for MB looking upto the heavens and crying when asked if understood the charges. Cold blooded killers don't do things like that. Such a gesture is a dawning of realisation and a private pleading of god help me.

 

[jigzy]

Try this
Searchers have indeed indicated to people what they are searching for in this area

no, I meant:
..indicated to people in the area...
as in people here in the Mid Wales area have spoken with searchers

 

[Blunomore]

It would certainly account for MB looking upto the heavens and crying when asked if understood the charges. Cold blooded killers don't do things like that.

And how do we know what cold blooded killers do, or don't do?

 

[PADDYWHACK]

And how do we know what cold blooded killers do, or don't do?

I'm afraid I have an interest in psychopaths and killers. Some will cry at a guilty verdict, but they're usually very young and it doesn't happen often. Grown up adult killers are already aware of what they've done, they don't feel, or understand the gravity of their actions. They have no empathy, or feelings for the victim. They would just accept the charges and deny, deny, deny.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I have read the CPS Code for Crown Prosecutors, and maybe you could clarify that if the Threshold Test was applied (which would - imo - be most likely) there really has to be an 'expectation' that more evidence is still possible, as well of course as fulfilling the other conditions set out.

As I can't fathom out how to post a link to the cps.gov site myself, could someone else do it for me please ?? The relevant sections I'm referring to are 5.3 and 5.4 on pages 16, 17 and 18. Interesting reading I thought, and explains why the search continues in such strength.

No, my impression is that the Full test was applied, you need to listen to or read transcript of the CPS, Iwan Jenkins, at the press conference when they announced the charges.
Paraphrasing, he said - CPS examined the evidence, were satisfied sufficient for charges to be laid, AND that it is in the public interest to do so.
That is the two part test in CPS guide. I did read all the relevant sections including the alternate -Threshold test.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/code_for_crown_prosecutors/index.html

The Code for Crown Prosecutors is a public document, issued by the Director of Public Prosecutions that sets out the general principles Crown Prosecutors should follow when they make decisions on cases.

Is there enough evidence against the defendant?

When deciding whether there is enough evidence to charge, Crown Prosecutors must consider whether evidence can be used in court and is reliable. Crown Prosecutors must be satisfied there is enough evidence to provide a "realistic prospect of conviction" against each defendant.

Is it in the public interest for the CPS to bring the case to court?

A prosecution will usually take place unless the prosecutor is sure that the public interest factors tending against prosecution outweigh those tending in favour.
Video link (transcript below with editing)
April Jones Murder - Mark Bridger charged with girl's murder - YouTube

At a press conference at Aberystwyth on Saturday afternoon, Iwan Jenkins, District Crown Prosecutor from the Crown Prosecution Service said he had been in "close contact" with the police.

"In particular, we have been offering advice and guidance to the police since the suspect Mark Bridger was arrested last Tuesday," he said.

He said a "detailed review of the evidence gathered so far by Dyfed-Powys Police" led him to his decision that there was "sufficient evidence to charge Mark Bridger with the murder of April Jones, and that it is in the public interest to do so".

"I have also concluded that there is sufficient evidence to charge the defendant with attempting to pervert the course of justice and child abduction," he added.

"Accordingly, I have authorised Dyfed Powys Police to charge him with these offences and he will appear before Aberystwyth Magistrates' Court on Monday morning."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-19853582

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Yes, a possibility of an accident. It would certainly account for MB looking upto the heavens and crying when asked if understood the charges. Cold blooded killers don't do things like that. Such a gesture is a dawning of realisation and a private pleading of god help me.

God might help him if he told police where April is.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

"detailed review of the evidence gathered so far by Dyfed-Powys Police" led him to his decision that there was "sufficient evidence to charge Mark Bridger with the murder of April Jones, and that it is in the public interest to do so".

We will find out what that is in January.

 

[Inge Jones]

God might help him if he told police where April is.

If he threw her in the river, even if he told them that, no one can tell where she'll be by now

 

[PADDYWHACK]

God might help him if he told police where April is.

May be if he told it might implicate someone else. I believe there was two of them.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

If he threw her in the river, even if he told them that, no one can tell where she'll be by now

Interesting point. Child killers usually visit the area of disposal to check that concealment was done properly. A sizeable percentage of child killers actually go on the public searches to help find the victim.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I'm afraid I have an interest in psychopaths and killers. Some will cry at a guilty verdict, but they're usually very young and it doesn't happen often. Grown up adult killers are already aware of what they've done, they don't feel, or understand the gravity of their actions. They have no empathy, or feelings for the victim. They would just accept the charges and deny, deny, deny.

Two questions police would put to MB

1. Did you do it
2. If yes to 1. - where is she.
If no to 1. what is your alibi and explanation.

Would it take 4 days to answer?

 

[LegallyBrunette]

May be if he told it might implicate someone else. I believe there was two of them.

Whatever happened, I don't think he is the only one involved.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

Two questions police would put to MB

1. Did you do it
2. If yes to 1. - where is she.
If no to 1. what is your alibi and explanation.

Would it take 4 days to answer?

No, but what if he is covering for someone he cares about? Or, he has no witnesses for his whereabouts?