Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #6 *M. Bridger guilty*

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  • #521
Very interesting point given that AJ was given special dispensation to play outside longer than usual.
Something else that has never been challenged is the time.

1...What time did the other children go home?

2...Did the 7 yr old witness run to her mom and say April has gone straight away? Did she continue playing outside for another half an hour before going home.

From the period of the child going home to Coral asking of April's whereabouts, what was the time? Was April taken at 6.30 or 5.30 or 4.30?

The other parents had no need of any worry until Coral realised her daughter was missing?
 
  • #522
Also, Detective Bevan .... When he said they'd been looking for MB, because they knew he was in the area, did they mean the school (parents evening) or the estate?

I don't know, although the reference to the police knowing that he was "known to be in the area" seems to me to be another example of highly suggestive and misleading language. Why wouldn't a local man with friends and family in the town be "in the area" on any given day? References of this kind remind me of reportage that describes MB as having been "caught" by police, as if he had been trying to evade them or escape in some way.
 
  • #523
Well that is what he thinks. Doesn't mean he is right or wrong.

And I added it could be a well made replica.

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In a previous post I said that I don't see any significance in the picture. Just a boy with his toy.

Your husband could well be right, but I think it's 50/50 because the photo is inconclusive. No offence intended, none taken I hope.

I've also played with this image in The GIMP. Interpolated it, decomposed it into HSV layers and looked specifically at the Value layer, which is usually a good indicator of whether there's any hidden detail to be teased out by playing with the levels and curves. The hidden detail just isn't there IMO.
 
  • #524
I haven't seen that pic before anywhere. Are you sure it's him, and not a generic picture of someone arrested?

THAT is Jeremy Forrest, the teacher that ran off with Megan!!!
 
  • #525
I think what he's saying is that you don't understand how they don't work. :D

Actually, I probably do, all that is part of pilot training.
 
  • #526
  • #527
My husband thinks it's the real McCoy. He seems to have seen it, or something very similar on a programme called Future Weapons. In the programme they said it was the latest in the American Military. However the programme may have been 5 years old. It was aired on Quest.

We have looked for it, but can't find it online, as there are so many different rifles out there. If someone wants to have a look pay attention to the short barrel extension, as well as the hand guard with the vents on the underside.

Of course it could be a very well made replica as you suggest.

Not sure if it was you or another poster who made the point, whether the gun is real or not (I tend to think it is), either way it says something about the person who choses that snap for a profile photo.
I will ask my friend who works in that area and has a nephew serving with US Army in Afghanistan - it looks similar to photos of some of his unit and their weapons. Really, I don't think it's that relevant apart from the choice of profile photo.
 
  • #528
My husband thinks it's the real McCoy. He seems to have seen it, or something very similar on a programme called Future Weapons. In the programme they said it was the latest in the American Military. However the programme may have been 5 years old. It was aired on Quest.

We have looked for it, but can't find it online, as there are so many different rifles out there. If someone wants to have a look pay attention to the short barrel extension, as well as the hand guard with the vents on the underside.

Of course it could be a very well made replica as you suggest.

It appears to me to be a black model of this airsoft rifle. It is definitely a silly photo as the weapon is fired in the recline pose...I guess to make him look more masculine and tough? He would have NO access to "the latest US military weapons for his own personal use...-

http://www.scaar.at/airsoft/l86-1.jpg
 
  • #529
It appears to me to be a black model of this airsoft rifle. It is definitely a silly photo as the weapon is fired in the recline pose...I guess to make him look more masculine and tough? He would have NO access to "the latest US military weapons for his own personal use...-

http://www.scaar.at/airsoft/l86-1.jpg

Well done! Looks identical.

How pathetic it is, 46-year-old wannabe. Why do some men think that sort of thing impresses the chicks - although they most likely do it to impress other blokes. Who knows. Real men don't have to dress tough and embellish their lives, their character speaks for itself. :twocents:
 
  • #530
Well done! Looks identical.

How pathetic it is, 46-year-old wannabe. Why do some men think that sort of thing impresses the chicks - although they most likely do it to impress other blokes. Who knows. Real men don't have to dress tough and embellish their lives, their character speaks for itself. :twocents:

I don't know how fair it is to criticize him for his selection of this photo. It may have been a joke, an inside one perhaps.

I agree that men do not have to try and put up a false front, but is that really what we are programmed to think?

What about men that drive really swanky fast cars, or men who drive gigantic trucks with huge wheels and noisy engines?

What about the man who works all day in a cubicle, and buys a Ducati, even though he is unskilled at riding a motorcycle?

I think the most frequent explanations for this behavior are low self-esteem, a desire to live an exciting adventurous life, and the need for companionship ( either sex or a relationship).

Nearly all of the creatures on the planet with a vertebrae and a sex drive exhibit this behavior in one form or another. Among humans it is especially pronounced because of the complexity of our society. The advertising business uses the psychological aspects of this phenomenon and use it to boost sales in industries such as fashion, cosmetics, and jewelry.
 
  • #531
That is your device, it does not mean that every device will lose signal.

The point is that if you look at cell phone coverage maps for the area, you will see that there is limited coverage for 3G phones throughout much of Wales - only the conurbations along the south and north coasts get good coverage.

The situation for 2G phones is better, but the maps show that along the A487 in the Corris Valley there are many areas that have a weak signal and some that have no signal at all.

The reason is partly the terrain (a steep-sided, narrow valley) but mainly because there is considerable resistance to erecting phone masts in a National Park.
 
  • #532
I hope they do have solid evidence but am worried. Reading the the threshold test on the CPS website and seeing "evidence" in other cases, is why I'm worried.

It reads to me that the CPS will charge even when the evidence isn't there yet (within a reasonable time)

It explains why the police are still searching and why they are prepared to put a 7 year old on the stand. A back-up plan if you will.

I genuinely believe if they have solid evidence like DNA or blood that shows he murdered April they wouldn't have need to call up a 7 year old to testify (or indeed bother filing abduction/perverting justice charges). As someone pointed out earlier, it would only get a conviction for abduction.

I hope my cynicism is proved wrong.
Actually the very fact that this case does not have a body explains why they are still searching and prepared to put a 7 year old on the stand. I absolutely guarantee if the only witness was a 4 year old CPS would have that 4 year old testify as well.

That's what prosecutors in no body cases do. They take every single bit of evidence available to them and use it all to build a case.

This 7 year old is the only one who can tie MB directly to April the evening she was abducted. The 5 year old presumably affirms this. Even if her DNA is all over Bridger's vehicle and home - and proof of her death is overwhelming and definitive - how'd her DNA get there? Did someone borrow MB's vehicle? Did anyone else have access to his house? Can MB claim he was somewhere else that evening? A good defence attorney would be able to poke a gazillion holes in this to provide enough reasonable doubt for the possibility of an acquittal.

Let me walk you through a very similar case that I've mentioned before - Bianca Jones - because I believe it will be tried in much the same way. Bianca was a 2 year Michigan girl reported missing by her father December 2, 2011. He claimed she'd been in the car when it was carjacked. They found the vehicle abandoned close by...no sign of Bianca.

The evidence:
A cadaver dog hit in Bianca's bedroom and the vehicle.

The trial lasted 9 months though and through a careful build-up of witness testimony, including Bianca's 8 year old sister, the prosecutor proved to a jury that D'Andre Lane beat his daughter to death for wetting herself; made child witnesses believe Bianca was sleeping but alive postmortem; and disposed of her body in a skip prior to reporting her missing.

So why have the 8 year old testify? Because the 8 year old witnessed abuse at the hands of D'Andre Lane. She could tie together abuse and her father into the same picture for the jury to see. She saw Bianca shortly before she was reported missing and could tell the jurors her sister was wrapped in a blanket, strapped into the seat, and she was warned to be quiet as not to wake her.

Why was Lane charged with child abuse in addition to 1st degree murder - a much lesser charge? (For that matter why are most criminals charged with lesser offenses as well as felonies?) Because juries are fickle things indeed. It's simply insurance for the prosecution that if the defendant is acquitted of the greater offence they may still be found guilty of a lesser charge. (Some states will even allow the DA to file charges for multiple degrees of the same murder or manslaughter in addition to murder.) I do not believe it is representative of the evidence at hand - you just never know how a group of people will react to a case. (As evidenced by us folks who followed the Anthony case for years prior to her unbelievable acquittal.) It also, obviously, allows for a lengthier sentence if convicted of multiple charges. (Lane was convicted of 1st degree murder and child abuse.)

This is JMO and FWIW but I cannot conclude based on following so many other child homicides that CPS has erred or doesn't have enough evidence to convict. The simple fact is that they will use every bit of evidence available to them - even the testimony of children - to attempt to persuade a jury of MB's guilt. Especially in a no body case.
 
  • #533
I don't know, although the reference to the police knowing that he was "known to be in the area" seems to me to be another example of highly suggestive and misleading language. Why wouldn't a local man with friends and family in the town be "in the area" on any given day? References of this kind remind me of reportage that describes MB as having been "caught" by police, as if he had been trying to evade them or escape in some way.

All other things aside for a second as they have charged MB, and i don't think where he keeps his ketchup is going to help. So AJ goes missing, MB is "in the area" and LE are "actively seeking him". But why? Can we throw some ideas as to why they'd be looking for MB in. I'm so confused. The vehicle description early on was a small white van. It would be interesting to know how much time passed from the 7 yr old witness returning home to then speaking to LE.
 
  • #534
I'd be interested to know whether the 7yr old witness was asked to do some form of an ID parade, to see if she recognised MB as the van owner from that night.
 
  • #535
I'd be interested to know whether the 7yr old witness was asked to do some form of an ID parade, to see if she recognised MB as the van owner from that night.

I also wondered whether they'd shown her some photos of vehicles
 
  • #536
That is your device, it does not mean that every device will lose signal.
I can't say whether that is true, or false. My friends all lose their signals too in the same area.
 
  • #537
I don't doubt the 7 year olds words nor the 5 year olds. DNA will sink MB's ship and it won't be soon enough nor long enough. They have the proof. jmo

I love kids, they are brutally honest, thank goodness, don't doubt their words or you might have many who are being abused behind the door you are afraid to open yourself. jmo

May April be found for her mom & dad. Prayers for her family & friends.
 
  • #538
I don't know how fair it is to criticize him for his selection of this photo. It may have been a joke, an inside one perhaps.

I agree that men do not have to try and put up a false front, but is that really what we are programmed to think?

What about men that drive really swanky fast cars, or men who drive gigantic trucks with huge wheels and noisy engines?

What about the man who works all day in a cubicle, and buys a Ducati, even though he is unskilled at riding a motorcycle?

I think the most frequent explanations for this behavior are low self-esteem, a desire to live an exciting adventurous life, and the need for companionship ( either sex or a relationship).

Nearly all of the creatures on the planet with a vertebrae and a sex drive exhibit this behavior in one form or another. Among humans it is especially pronounced because of the complexity of our society. The advertising business uses the psychological aspects of this phenomenon and use it to boost sales in industries such as fashion, cosmetics, and jewelry.
You are quite right and all men seek to impress, as do women. It's how we capture a mate and make friends.
 
  • #539
It would be interesting to know how much time passed from the 7 yr old witness returning home to then speaking to LE.
I agree, the time is very important because April could have been outdoors all afternoon and no one bothered to check of her whereabouts until it was considered her tea time.

I'm quite adept at making a sandwich and can do it in 5 mins or under, a cooked meal would take me about 40 mins if meat and veg. The press said Coral returned home at 7pm and went inside to make tea.

The police reported that April was abducted at 7. 30pm, but what time were the police informed?
 
  • #540
It appears to me to be a black model of this airsoft rifle. It is definitely a silly photo as the weapon is fired in the recline pose...I guess to make him look more masculine and tough? He would have NO access to "the latest US military weapons for his own personal use...-

http://www.scaar.at/airsoft/l86-1.jpg

Excellent find!
 
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