Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #6 *M. Bridger guilty*

[TulipaNoir]

I don't know how fair it is to criticize him for his selection of this photo. It may have been a joke, an inside one perhaps.

I agree that men do not have to try and put up a false front, but is that really what we are programmed to think?

What about men that drive really swanky fast cars, or men who drive gigantic trucks with huge wheels and noisy engines?

What about the man who works all day in a cubicle, and buys a Ducati, even though he is unskilled at riding a motorcycle?

I think the most frequent explanations for this behavior are low self-esteem, a desire to live an exciting adventurous life, and the need for companionship ( either sex or a relationship).

Nearly all of the creatures on the planet with a vertebrae and a sex drive exhibit this behavior in one form or another. Among humans it is especially pronounced because of the complexity of our society. The advertising business uses the psychological aspects of this phenomenon and use it to boost sales in industries such as fashion, cosmetics, and jewelry.

Well said!

 

[uk_sleuth]

I agree, the time is very important because April could have been outdoors all afternoon and no one bothered to check of her whereabouts until it was considered her tea time.

I'm quite adept at making a sandwich and can do it in 5 mins or under, a cooked meal would take me about 40 mins if meat and veg. The press said Coral returned home at 7pm and went inside to make tea.

The police reported that April was abducted at 7. 30pm, but what time were the police informed?

My point is, LE know there is a careful process when questioning a child. Understandable in a situation like this, You panic, the child panics. Before the LE were on the scene, this child would have been overwhelmed and scared and being asked all sorts of questions.

 

[Cherwell]

I can't say whether that is true, or false. My friends all lose their signals too in the same area.

There's a pub local to me where there's no phone signal anywhere on the premises. This is well known in the area - it's not somewhere to go if you're expecting important calls, but quite popular if you don't want to be disturbed

I agree, the time is very important because April could have been outdoors all afternoon and no one bothered to check of her whereabouts until it was considered her tea time.

No. You're forgetting that she went swimming in the late afternoon. There'll be no shortage of witnesses to that.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

My point is, LE know there is a careful process when questioning a child. Understandable in a situation like this, You panic, the child panics. Before the LE were on the scene, this child would have been overwhelmed and scared and being asked all sorts of questions.

Very true, but apart from vehicle/person ID the next very important question would be the time and did she run and tell her mum April had gotten into a car.

Clearly she didn't, or the police would not have delayed in putting the appeal on TV. Abducted children are usually killed within the first 3hrs so every minute counts.

The other extraordinary thing was the police allowing such a public search in the dark where valuable evidence could be trampled under foot and lost forever by inexperienced and understandably angry residents.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

There's a pub local to me where there's no phone signal anywhere on the premises. This is well known in the area - it's not somewhere to go if you're expecting important calls, but quite popular if you don't want to be disturbed



No. You're forgetting that she went swimming in the late afternoon. There'll be no shortage of witnesses to that.

Would that have been as part of a school class, or a private swim session and if private, who took her?

 

[TulipaNoir]

“April used the centre, she was a member of the centre, she came in for swimming lessons the night she was taken,” he said.

“She was here having lessons at about 5pm so it was only two hours later that it happened.”

Read More http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...-got-to-be-hope-91466-32000982/#ixzz29vazjJQp

 

[veggiefan]

Very true, but apart from vehicle/person ID the next very important question would be the time and did she run and tell her mum April had gotten into a car.

Clearly she didn't, or the police would not have delayed in putting the appeal on TV.

What makes you think there was any delay? Like it or not, broadcasters are not going to interrupt programmes to report a missing child. ITV covered the story that evening in the 10pm news, as I recall.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

What makes you think there was any delay? Like it or not, broadcasters are not going to interrupt programmes to report a missing child. ITV covered the story that evening in the 10pm news, as I recall.

That is a pity, because if a member of the royal family had died, or even a celebrity, there would have been a news flash. We lesser mortals aren't as valued.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I'd stop to broadcast a missing child. You can't move fast enough to catch a child abductor & find the child safe & alive. jmo

It takes a village...

 

[PADDYWHACK]

“April used the centre, she was a member of the centre, she came in for swimming lessons the night she was taken,” he said.

“She was here having lessons at about 5pm so it was only two hours later that it happened.”

Read More http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...-got-to-be-hope-91466-32000982/#ixzz29vazjJQp

Thank you for that. Is a normal swim lesson an hour? It used to be.

 

[Dirk Gently]

It appears to me to be a black model of this airsoft rifle. It is definitely a silly photo as the weapon is fired in the recline pose...I guess to make him look more masculine and tough? He would have NO access to "the latest US military weapons for his own personal use...-

http://www.scaar.at/airsoft/l86-1.jpg

Nice find!

Here's a thought: here in the UK if an airsoft weapon is classified as a Realistic Imitation of a Firearm (RIF) then certain criteria have to met before the weapon can be purchased.

"How do players become members of an approved game site and eligible to buy RiF's?

The games site has to record you as a member and preferably issue you with a membership card. To qualify as an "airsoft skirmisher" you must be a regular player at that game site, having attended 3 games in a period which exceeds 2 months. Identification will also be required, such as passport and drivers license."

http://ukara.org.uk/questions.php

Could the firearms licence mentioned in some reports be nothing more than MB's "airsoft skirmisher" membership card? Could this be the 'rifle' that MB "kept in a box"?

 

[PADDYWHACK]

A swim lesson is 50 mins in term time.

What is the distance from the leisure centre to the school?

 

[veggiefan]

I'd stop to broadcast a missing child. You can't move fast enough to catch a child abductor & find the child safe & alive. jmo

The trouble is that children go missing all the time. I was at a fair a few weeks ago, and several times an hour we heard over the tannoy that various lost children had been taken to the first aid tent, waiting for collection.

Only when it is clear that a child has been abducted, rather than just missing, or is missing for an unexpected length of time, can an appeal be made.

To have peak time viewing interrupted by messages that little X has gone missing in Norwich, only to hear an hour later that mum had fogotten that dad had taken her to the park, would not be a popular measure.

 

[Inge Jones]

That is a pity, because if a member of the royal family had died, or even a celebrity, there would have been a news flash. We lesser mortals aren't as valued.

I think the reason is more innocent. I would guess the majority of missing children (above toddler age in which case mostly a missing toddler is found in a garden pond) have simply gone to play somewhere and had no sense of time or the worry they might cause - and then they are found the same evening. But it is true the news didn't break as a crisis until later that evening. That is why I say I can imagine a valid scenario where MB (if innocent) may not have been aware of the drama unfolding.

 

[veggiefan]

A swim lesson is 50 mins in term time.

What is the distance from the leisure centre to the school?

Just under 1 mile.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

You are quite right and all men seek to impress, as do women. It's how we capture a mate and make friends.

ALL men, & women? Not generalising at all. So, the mate or friend is made on a false impression of the person? Great basis for a relationship:twocents:

 

[LegallyBrunette]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oct/02/april-jones-child-rescue-alert 3 Oct 12. (edited)

The abduction of April Jones triggered the first nationwide child rescue alert ever used in the UK as investigators weighed up the risk to the child in the hours after her disappearance.

Late into Monday experts from the Child Exploitation and Online Protection unit, (Ceop) liaising with Dyfed-Powys police were engaged in the difficult decision of whether to initiate the high profile national alert to help in the hunt for the missing five-year-old.

A tactic long used in America, the child rescue alert has never been used across the country like this before, partly because suspected stranger abductions are rare.

Charlie Hedges – manager of the missing, abducted and kidnapped children unit within Ceop – said the decision to launch the alert was made in the knowledge that to do so could swamp the investigating team. Hedges said such alerts are usually only triggered if the police have detailed descriptions of suspects or vehicles to release to the public.

We discussed it long into the night," said Hedges. "Normally you would issue fairly precise information and we didn't have that. It was a really difficult call, but we decided the risk to April was such that we needed to launch the alert."

The child rescue alert – a system adopted in the UK in 2010 – aims to engage the public through the media and feed information back into the investigating team.

The special 0300 hotline number is answered by police forces across the country – who are providing mutual aid to the inquiry – and the information is fed into the major incident room within Dyfed-Powys police.

As every hour passes the risk to the child grows, something that will be at the forefront of the police's mind.

"The early hours are crucial in two ways," said Hedges. "From the point of view of the investigation, what has happened is fresh in people's minds and information coming in hasn't been contaminated.

"The other aspect is that the longer April is being held somewhere, the more damage there could be to her from a child protection point of view.

"Part of the appeal is trying to trigger people's consciences. Maybe there is someone out there who knows someone, or something about the person responsible."

 

[Inge Jones]

ALL men, & women? Not generalising at all. So, the mate or friend is made on a false impression of the person. ?Great basis for a relationship:twocents:

I think we almost all, if not all, seek to give people a first impression that we think will show is in a favorable light. The difference in what we attempt to impress *with* will be based on the values we have learnt. Those who think it is impressive to have big aggressive looking tattoos will want people to see their big aggressive looking tattoos, whereas those who think tattoos are chavvy will seek to keep hidden any they might have - except from those people they consider particularly close friends.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I think we almost all, if not all, seek to give people a first impression that we think will show is in a favorable light. The difference in what we attempt to impress *with* will be based on the values we have learnt. Those who think it is impressive to have big aggressive looking tattoos will want people to see their big aggressive looking tattoos, whereas those who think tattoos are chavvy will seek to keep hidden any they might have - except from those people they consider particularly close friends.

I think you're saying that we all do (or should) aim to make a good first impression - ' You don't get a second chance to make a good first impression'. Agree with that, but isn't that different from laying on a load of absolute BS to impress people. Because if they become your friend, they are really friends with someone who doesn't exist.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

The point is that if you look at cell phone coverage maps for the area, you will see that there is limited coverage for 3G phones throughout much of Wales - only the conurbations along the south and north coasts get good coverage.

The situation for 2G phones is better, but the maps show that along the A487 in the Corris Valley there are many areas that have a weak signal and some that have no signal at all.

The reason is partly the terrain (a steep-sided, narrow valley) but mainly because there is considerable resistance to erecting phone masts in a National Park.

No 4G network in Wales - or just no coverage?