Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #6 *M. Bridger guilty*

[bijoux]

My own opinion:
I think they didn't know (at that time) that he had moved to Ceinws.

Agreed.

I don't think he spent much time actually in the house that night.

Do you believe AJ was taken there first?

Perhaps the vehicle was not broken as such, but rather just stashed at the repair shop to keep attention away from Ceinws.

Attention away from Ceinws and himself, yes, I agree. He needed more time.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Vicky F....., 25, a mother-of-two, told the Daily Mirror: “It was wet and cold and the other girl told April not to get into it. But April said: ‘It's all right, I know them’.”

Great 'treat'. :twocents:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ses-on-areas-highlighted-by-arrested-man.html

(name edited by me)

from same article, just to confuse the issue more!

Mr Jones, 43, and his wife, 40, reported April missing immediately, and it emerged last night that they had told police who they suspected the driver of the car was.

Mr Bridger, a father-of-six, who was known to April’s family and had lived near her at various times, was arrested at 3.30pm yesterday as he walked along a main road to the north of the town.

Neighbours said he was a former soldier who had worked as a lifeguard, a welder, and at a slaughterhouse. He had two vehicles, one of which was a left-hand drive Land Rover Discovery made in Spain.

Ben Edwards, 22, a neighbour, said: "He is a nice guy, and absolutely brilliant with his son and daughter. He was always putting his kids first."

Mr Edwards’s mother, Gloria, said she had seen Mr Bridger shortly before he was arrested. He was walking quickly towards the bridge that led into the town, wearing sunglasses and a khaki jacket and with his head down.

Officers were understood to have begun searching the river after tyre marks were found on the bank at a spot where vehicles would not normally be parked.

 

[Cherwell]

He had two vehicles, one of which was a left-hand drive Land Rover Discovery made in Spain.

Yes, I have read on another forum that he had another vehicle. The poster seems genuine, says he is from Mach and is acquainted with MB. Very interesting reading.

 

[Cherwell]

Great find, albeit one that raises more questions.

If I were April's father, and LE's first response to my report of her being abducted in a van was to start searching my neighbour's coal shed, then I'd be demanding a personal audience with the Chief Constable to ask what the hell his (or her) officers are playing at.

Where does it say that?

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Yes, I have read on another forum that he had another vehicle. The poster seems genuine, says he is from Mach and is acquainted with MB. Very interesting reading.

Same neighbour:-

'Ben Edwards, 22, said Mark Bridger, 46, had rifles and handguns mounted on his wall. Mr Edwards said the older man told him the weapons had been “made safe” and showed him a firearms licence for a rifle he kept in a box.

He said: “Mark also kept samurai swords on the table, he was a bit of a weapons collector and his style was military. He loved his Swiss Army knife, which he always carried around with him'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...spect-Mark-Bridger-was-weapons-collector.html

 

[PADDYWHACK]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2012/oct/02/april-jones-missing-five-live
FWIW
Godmother speaks
London's Evening Standard newspaper has quotes from April's godmother, Mair Raftree, about the impact on the family:

I was the first person Coral called. She was absolutely devastated. She was in shock. She was upset, saying ‘April’s gone. She was put in a van. She was taken away’.

I told her to call the police immediately and she said she was about to. She called me first because she was in a state of shock. She had just been told by April’s little friend that she was snatched. I was just gobsmacked. It didn’t register until I’d put the phone down.

Sorry to appear harsh, but you would call the police first and a close friend after, but I wouldn't even do that. I'd be leaning on my better half for support and waiting for the cops to arrive.

 

[Elainera]

I read this comment from a supposed searcher on another forum also. IMO if they're briefing searchers it can only be what to look for. I think it would be unprofessional of LE to tell anyone the story right :waitasec:

Maybe the searchers deducted from the info they were given that there must be a lot more to the story. No, I don't think LE told them everything.

 

[Clio]

Yes, I have read on another forum that he had another vehicle. The poster seems genuine, says he is from Mach and is acquainted with MB. Very interesting reading.

Do they say if the other vehicle is a white/grey van?

 

[Cherwell]

Yes, I have read on another forum that he had another vehicle. The poster seems genuine, says he is from Mach and is acquainted with MB. Very interesting reading.

Same neighbour:-

'Ben Edwards, 22, said Mark Bridger, 46, had rifles and handguns mounted on his wall. Mr Edwards said the older man told him the weapons had been “made safe” and showed him a firearms licence for a rifle he kept in a box.

The poster I referred to is not Ben Edwards. Don't know it that's what you meant to suggest, but that's how it read.

 

[Rutland Girl]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2012/oct/02/april-jones-missing-five-live
FWIW
Godmother speaks
London's Evening Standard newspaper has quotes from April's godmother, Mair Raftree, about the impact on the family:

I was the first person Coral called. She was absolutely devastated. She was in shock. She was upset, saying ‘April’s gone. She was put in a van. She was taken away’.

I told her to call the police immediately and she said she was about to. She called me first because she was in a state of shock. She had just been told by April’s little friend that she was snatched. I was just gobsmacked. It didn’t register until I’d put the phone down.

Hmm, why would you call April's godmother before the police?

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Sorry to appear harsh, but you would call the police first and a close friend after, but I wouldn't even do that. I'd be leaning on my better half for support and waiting for the cops to arrive.

Would be ringing '000*' so fast phone would have scorch marks.

*same as 999 and 911.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

The poster I referred to is not Ben Edwards. Don't know it that's what you meant to suggest, but that's how it read.

Ok, crossed wires

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Do they say if the other vehicle is a white/grey van?

'Somewhere', lord knows where now, it was reported that MB had the use of some sort of similar van for work?

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Sorry to appear harsh, but you would call the police first and a close friend after, but I wouldn't even do that. I'd be leaning on my better half for support and waiting for the cops to arrive.

Where is PJ?

 

[PADDYWHACK]

Really? That's not much to go on!



My feeling is that he had all the children in Wales to choose from but chose someone with whom he was familiar. There is no evidence we know of to indicate other parties were involved in either the abduction or murder of AJ.
I think the abduction was simple: MB drove up and down the road waiting for an opportunity and it came. Perhaps he parked by the garages because he spotted AJ playing there. (Not an unusual play area in my opinion.)
She recognised the vehicle and driver and ran over, or she was called over and complied because she recognised the vehicle and driver.
Why she voluntarily got into the vehicle we do not know.

A quick and interesting read
http://mysite.verizon.net/res11yid5...toprotectyourchildfrombeingsexuallyabused.pdf

 

[Dirk Gently]

Where does it say that?

It doesn't. I was simply using it as an example to highlight the apparent lack of response to reports of AJ being abducted in a vehicle. I'm trying to understand why the initial response was so localised and why LE didn't immediately position traffic officers at key junctions on the A487, A489, A470 and A458 (these being the only main routes out of the area) with instructions to pull over and spot check vehicles matching the description given.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

Where is PJ?

Indeed, where is he and where was he at the press conference.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

A quick and interesting read
http://mysite.verizon.net/res11yid5...toprotectyourchildfrombeingsexuallyabused.pdf

Interesting and frightening.

Not that I would recommend the following for a young girl, but a member posted this on the Jill Meagher thread - some years ago, she was young and intoxicated walking home from pub, was offered a lift and foolishly accepted. Car had 2 or 3 young men who quickly made their intentions known. She told them they had to pull over as she was busting to go to the loo, if they didn't she would wet her pants and her DNA would be all over the car.
They pulled over, she got out and fortunately escaped.

 

[Alyce]

I agree, the time is very important because April could have been outdoors all afternoon and no one bothered to check of her whereabouts until it was considered her tea time.

I'm quite adept at making a sandwich and can do it in 5 mins or under, a cooked meal would take me about 40 mins if meat and veg. The press said Coral returned home at 7pm and went inside to make tea.

The police reported that April was abducted at 7. 30pm, but what time were the police informed?

There is an article - the link will be in one of the earlier threads we have on here - that says the godmother received the phone call from CJ at 6.50pm, to say that AJ was missing, taken away in a van.

Also, one of the very early MSM reports said that CJ only realised that AJ was missing when she went out to call her in for tea, didnt see her and then went to a neighbours home - presumably MHs home but I cant be sure on this one now without going back to find the article - and it was only at that point that MH said, allegedly, that AJ had got into a van.

Therefore, as far as I remember it, MH did not raise any kind of alarm re AJ going off in a van.

After receiving this news from MH, CJ then - presumably - went home, called the godmother at 6.50pm and then called the piolice.

So on this timeline I would estimate the police were notified close to 7pm

 

[LegallyBrunette]

There is an article - the link will be in one of the earlier threads we have on here - that says the godmother received the phone call from CJ at 6.50pm, to say that AJ was missing, taken away in a van.

Also, one of the very early MSM reports said that CJ only realised that AJ was missing when she went out to call her in for tea, didnt see her and then went to a neighbours home - presumably MHs home but I cant be sure on this one now without going back to find the article - and it was only at that point that MH said, allegedly, that AJ had got into a van.

Therefore, as far as I remember it, MH did not raise any kind of alarm re AJ going off in a van.

After receiving this news from MH, CJ then - presumably - went home, called the godmother at 6.50pm and then called the piolice.

So on this timeline I would estimate the police were notified close to 7pm

I think some of the 'Missing' posters had the time as 7.30pm, and others as 7pm. Interesting (your post)