Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #6 *M. Bridger guilty*

[SheepMan]

You did very well! Thanks!

I would not be surprised if the BBC article on the lottery win gives the wrong age.

Can someone re-post the BBC article on the "lottery win", I didn't see anything about this! Who won and was it a large sum (I assume so if on BBC website)?

 

[Insp.Dots]

I don't know of you saw a post on FB over the weekend that spoke of a hairdressers gossip....But it has now been removed!

I know I can't copy and paste but it led me to thinking whether alchohol is a factor in this case.

We have a picture somewhere on a previous post that shows MB's rubbish and a number of cans were also shown.
The LE said, I think around wednesday that they were hoping to interview MB soon...I remember thinking at this point, they seemed to be taking a time and I remember a sky news reporter saying the delay could be for a number of reasons...and mentioned it can take time for a solicitor to become available etc etc..

However another reason could be to give time for someone to sober up and wait for a medic/doctor to state they are fit for interview.

Have we spoken about this possibility and has anyone any views/thoughts on it?

I think i'm looking at this more now, as it could also be a factor on the information he was able to tell the police and could be reason for lack of help???

I realise he was at a parents evening and driving but that doesn't mean he was sober?? MOO

Admin, Please delete if this post offends

 

[Insp.Dots]

Can someone re-post the BBC article on the "lottery win", I didn't see anything about this! Who won and was it a large sum (I assume so if on BBC website)?

see post 822

 

[Cherwell]

Yes, I've thought for some time that alcohol has had a part to play. He looks hungover in that mugshot IMO. I don't know if alcohol was the cause of what happened, but I wouldn't be surprised if he hit the bottle after whatever happened, had happened .... and that he can't remember everything as a result.

 

[frommer]

I disagree it would be unusual and he was not 'estranged'.

Him and ED had a good relationship with regards to the children and he was a regular visitor at her home.

Also, I have children with an ex and many friends in similar circumstances, we take it in turns to go to the Parents evenings and on occasion have been together. I don't think this is in any way rare from what I hear from friends and teacher. JMO

I only meant estranged as in not actually living with the child and mother. However I am obviously out of touch with what happens these days, thanks for your insight.

 

[LittleMissContrary]

I think its ridiculous that suggestions that MB is promiscuous are being made, based on a handful of long term relationships.

I don't think its even a relevant point.

I love sex. So what?
Does that mean I am more or less inclined to go abduct and murder a child? Nope.

In my opinion, it means I have a healthy attitude towards sex and am less likely to act on pent up and twisted desires.

 

[Insp.Dots]

I think its ridiculous that suggestions that MB is promiscuous are being made, based on a handful of long term relationships.

I don't think its even a relevant point.

I love sex. So what?
Does that mean I am more or less inclined to go abduct and murder a child? Nope.

In my opinion, it means I have a healthy attitude towards sex and am less likely to act on pent up and twisted desires.

BBM

I think some have difficulty with reasoning and think there must be a sexual motive behind this crime. From the small bit of evidence we have seen or heard so far I think it is not relevant either. But as with everything we won't know anything for sure until the court case.:rocker:

 

[PADDYWHACK]

I can see where your thought are going and I pray to God you're wrong.
My reasoning against the Paedophillia is a mixture of reasons....all my own opinion and I know there are exceptions to the rule and the least likely people are convicted.

However, VF had 2 children JW and ED had none before meeting him. ED was with him a considerable length of time.

MOST people who have spoken over this case have said he seemed a decent enough fella, tried to fit in etc (which can be hard in a very Welsh town) he was reportedly good with his children and others, none of these kids that we know were uncomfortable in his company. No-one has come forward with evidence of a sexual nature (as far as we've heard) And usually something would VERY quickly be said either on social media or to reporters.

His ex ED kept a good relationship with him seeing the kids, none of the family had issues even Aprils Mother had complete trust in him.

I just feel we would have picked up on something by now if there was a sexual motive involved!

ALL MY OWN OPINION AND THOUGHTS/FEELINGS

Paedophiles don't always take action within the family group. Many go outside of it for their kicks and put up a false front for the community.

 

[Insp.Dots]

Mach is still "holding onto hope for April". The town clock is now bathed in pink light:

https://twitter.com/shemKSW/status/260480428505452544/photo/1

Such a shame it's been lit up for the reason it has, it looks lovely!

I think if it's possible to say without meaning any disrespect and if something good can come from such horror, it really has shown what a truly beautiful part of the country Mid Wales is.

 

[Insp.Dots]

Paedophiles don't always take action within the family group. Many go outside of it for their kicks and put up a false front for the community.

Yes I understand all that you've said and you're entitled to your opinion. I am just not of the opinion (so far) from the evidence and info we have that there was any sexual motive in this case!
Each to their own as they say and I'm happy to be proved wrong.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

No, it's correct.

Are you saying she was 11/12 when MB got together with her?

 

[Insp.Dots]

Are you saying she was 11/12 when MB got together with her?

No not at all, I was going on ages given for ED by 2 papers who got it wrong as far as we can see. Ii made her roughly 10 years older, Cherwell managed to find her DOB by the Birth Index. The date they split makes sense and has some reoprts backing it but we don't know anything for sure.

Can I ask why you come to the conclusion it is 'sexual'? As I haven't seen anything other than statistics but may well have missed something you've seen that I haven't? :rocker:

After thought...If you read the posts around that one you will see we were just trying to work out a relationship timeline.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

No not at all, I was going on ages given for ED by 2 papers who got it wrong as far as we can see. Ii made her roughly 10 years older, Cherwell managed to find her DOB by the Birth Index. The date they split makes sense and has some reoprts backing it but we don't know anything for sure.

Can I ask why you come to the conclusion it is 'sexual'? As I haven't seen anything other than statistics but may well have missed something you've seen that I haven't? :rocker:

Why? Because if MB is guilty, he wouldn't take April just to kill her.

I hope you're right about ED's age, because if she was 11, or 12, someone somewhere has a lot to answer for.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

There's no 4G *anywhere* in the UK. It hasn't been launched yet. 3G exists only in Newtown, Barmouth, Tywyn, Aberystwyth, and nowhere else near to Mach. 2G is patchy at best. Often non-existent.

Edit: that's just for Orange. T-Mobile are marginally better for 3G. Vodafone and O2 are atrociously bad for *any* signal in rural Wales. Three's 3G signal is excellent, comparatively speaking. Even in the oddest of locations.

Just curious because I haven't been in the UK for some time and we've had 4G here (Telstra network) for a few years now. Telstra is the only network which has 4G (phones and internet)
Last time I was in UK I had a tri-band phone on roaming and it was brilliant - (didn't drive in the Welsh valleys) but all through Yorkshire, into Scotland and around Cumbria as well as remote places in Ireland.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Trying to quote but seem unable to do! Veggie fan says AJ had only just started at the school. I did wonder if she was in reception or starting in year one depending on when her birthday fell.

If as Veggie fan says, she was starting reception, I can understand an earlier 'parents evening' straight after school. But can't quite get my head round a 'glowing report' rather than something like 'she is settling in well'

From my experience, 'glowing report' just does not fit after three weeks at school. Am I the only one who feels this?

There are photos of her in a summer uniform as well, remembering that in the UK your summer holiday is Sept/Oct and school starts after that, I think she was at school more than a few weeks. My dau-in-law taught Reception for 4 years in London, I'll ask her on the weekend about reports, but agree, you can't get a glowing report after a few weeks.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Why? Because if MB is guilty, he wouldn't take April just to kill her.

I hope you're right about ED's age, because if she was 11, or 12, someone somewhere has a lot to answer for.

JMO, I think MSM had ED's age wrong in one place, quoted as 40. She looks younger than that to me in recent photos, children were born 2000 and 2002, in photos around that time I would put her mid-late 20's.

RD is on the scene when children are young, they have another child in 2006, makes me think that MB wasn't around for too long after the second child was born 2002.
MB and ED may have got together not long after he split from wife in 1992, together 10 years, that's about right.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

I think its ridiculous that suggestions that MB is promiscuous are being made, based on a handful of long term relationships.

I don't think its even a relevant point.

I love sex. So what?
Does that mean I am more or less inclined to go abduct and murder a child? Nope.

In my opinion, it means I have a healthy attitude towards sex and am less likely to act on pent up and twisted desires.

There is a vast difference between a healthy sexual appetite and a history of relationships producing children that you're incapable of holding down. The latter is a sign of sexual immaturity and irresponsibility.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

There is a vast difference between a healthy sexual appetite and a history of relationships producing children that you're incapable of holding down. The latter is a sign of sexual immaturity and irresponsibility.

Way too much information from quoted poster :blushing:

 

[PADDYWHACK]

There are photos of her in a summer uniform as well, remembering that in the UK your summer holiday is Sept/Oct and school starts after that, I think she was at school more than a few weeks. My dau-in-law taught Reception for 4 years in London, I'll ask her on the weekend about reports, but agree, you can't get a glowing report after a few weeks.

Some children wear uniform at nursery school.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I know it's hard to piece it together.

I doubt he got together with ED in 1992/1993. If she was 27 in 2008, that would mean she was 11/12 in 1992/1993.
Unless the lottery article gives the wrong age.

Surely not even up in the remotest hills of Wales :floorlaugh: