Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #6 *M. Bridger guilty*

[PADDYWHACK]

I think you've missed the point I was trying to make....the traits you name aren't necessarily conducive with a murderer so I don't see why you keep mentioning them to be honest. No offense meant, I just don't get it.

I think you're missing my point. When someone is accused of abducting/killing a child it becomes very important. MB's life is unravelling to reveal the stereotype of a child abuser and killer.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

Yes, I put it up yesterday and you even thanked me for it.

Sorry, it can be hard to keep track.

 

[TulipaNoir]

I think you're missing my point. When someone is accused of abducting/killing a child it becomes very important. MB's life is unravelling to reveal the stereotype of a child abuser and killer.

I'm with Insp.Dots on this. How is life unravelling to reveal the stereotype? There just isn't enough information in MSM to make that kind of assumption. We have also seen 'put his kids first', very well liked etc. etc. How would that fit in?

Whatever happened, if MB is guilty, I think it was out of character, perhaps brought on by alcohol, drugs, depression, mental breakdown, anger.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

I really don't see promiscuous here though.

His relationships are hardly built on normal and solid foundations, or am I the only one here who thinks to father a brood on one single estate with virtual neighbours, friends, and family associates as odd?

 

[Inge Jones]

Four categories of abductors have been classified by the United States' Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). These are as follows:

1. Paedophiles – The people in this category constitute the single largest number of child abductors. Paedophiles seem to identify with children better than with adults which is the reason why they are able to seduce/lure children easily. They appear to understand the likes and dislikes of children and show a genuine concern for their well-being.
2. Profiteers – This is an individual who is a criminal exploiter who sells children to pornographers or adoption rings, mostly in the black-market industry.
3. Serial Killers – The actions of these individuals are methodical and ritualized, with power, dominance, and control as the most frequent motivator.
4. Childless Psychotics – These individuals tend to abduct children when there are unable to have children of their own or have lost a child and seek another to fill its place (Tedisco & Paludi, 1996).

Well unless it can be explained by the USA using different terms for crimes, they are missing at least one. What about the parents who take their kids cos they are not satisfied with custody arrangements, or the ones who take and kill them because they are angry at their ex? At a squeeze you could try to fit them into #4, but I think phsychosis wasn't present in these people before they committed the abduction.

 

[Insp.Dots]

I think you're missing my point. When someone is accused of abducting/killing a child it becomes very important. MB's life is unravelling to reveal the stereotype of a child abuser and killer.

Well.... I think we have very different opinions on this and until the Trial we are just not going to agree or know anything for sure.

I don't see anything that points to MB being a sexual abuser, you do for whatever your reasons and opinions.

I respect your opinions, doesn't mean I have to agree with them!

 

[Inge Jones]

It looks like the same school as she had the winter uniform.

Not wanting to be a snob, but isn't it usually more upmarket kindies that have a little uniform?
(there are none that I know of in Sydney, btw, only uniforms are prep school and that is proper school, not pre school or kindergarten.)

No, in the UK most schools have a uniform of some sort - some just say "a blue jumper and black trousers" others actually specify the exact style and supplier!

 

[TulipaNoir]

His relationships are hardly built on normal and solid foundations, or am I the only one here who thinks to father a brood on one single estate with virtual neighbours, friends, and family associates as odd?

It is odd, but not uncommon anymore in today's society. I don't watch soap operas, but pick up a bit about them from people talking. Arent's these soaps full of relationship breakdowns, half siblings, step siblings?

 

[PADDYWHACK]

Well.... I think we have very different opinions on this and until the Trial we are just not going to agree or know anything for sure.

I don't see anything that points to MB being a sexual abuser, you do for whatever your reasons and opinions.

I respect your opinions, doesn't mean I have to agree with them!

Even I a victim of paedophiles for many years am capable of giving anyone the benefit of the doubt, but after looking at what IS available, my doubt has all but gone.

Some people can speak from a position of experience, while others who cannot comprehend the horror search for innocence in inexplicable crimes.

The trial will be interesting, I shall return to the forum when it starts. It has been a pleasure and this is a fine forum doing good work.

 

[Insp.Dots]

His relationships are hardly built on normal and solid foundations, or am I the only one here who thinks to father a brood on one single estate with virtual neighbours, friends, and family associates as odd?

This is a small town, everyone knows everyone. I live in a place very similar where there are hundreds of split family's.

Not ideal, but for an example, several teacher friends I know tell me that a child with 2 parents, married, no ex's or Kids from other partners are now in the minority in schools. This is just a sign of the times, no more, no less.
Women are as likely to split the family as Men.

MB did not father these children 'on' this estate but it is where 3 (confirmed) of
his children now live. It is actually quite a large estate in this small town so if you worked on probabilities of where his ex's may live it's not really any surprise.

I still don't follow where you go from this to sexual predator?

 

[Insp.Dots]

Even I a victim of paedophiles for many years am capable of giving anyone the benefit of the doubt, but after looking at what IS available, my doubt has all but gone.

Some people can speak from a position of experience, while others who cannot comprehend the horror search for innocence in inexplicable crimes.

The trial will be interesting, I shall return to the forum when it starts. It has been a pleasure and this is a fine forum doing good work.

I am very sorry for your past 'horrendous times'. No-one is doubting the horror that you and many have gone through and still do. Yes, some will never understand, others will.

I also have some grasp of the type of person who abuses children. And there are many that live in very 'normal' circumstances like you have said before and go un-noticed.

ALL I (have and) am saying is that I do not personally see there are any obvious pointers to this case involving 'child abuse'.

We cannot predict what evidence the Police have, if indeed it turns out to be 'Paedophillia' as you think I will be the first to shout 'Bring Back Hanging' I promise you.

There is no need for you to stop posting, everyone has differing views, that's what makes this group work, it just means we sometimes have to agree to disagree!!

 

[veggiefan]

In the UK a child must start full time education the term after their 5th birthday, at the latest.

...

Therefore, April will have been attending school for a year already

Sorry if I appear a bit dense, but if AJ was 5 in June 2012, you say there is no legal requirement for her to have started school until September 2012.

But you then go on to say that she will have been attending school for a year already.

What makes you think the parents will have asked for her to be admitted early?

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I fear that your memory has let you down. School summer holidays in England and Wales are in July and August. AJ's school reopened at the start of September, some four weeks before the parents' evening in question.

That's it, I knew it wasn't December and all of January as it is in the land downunder

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I am very sorry for your past 'horrendous times'. No-one is doubting the horror that you and many have gone through and still do. Yes, some will never understand, others will.

I also have some grasp of the type of person who abuses children. And there are many that live in very 'normal' circumstances like you have said before and go un-noticed.

ALL I (have and) am saying is that I do not personally see there are any obvious pointers to this case involving 'child abuse'.

We cannot predict what evidence the Police have, if indeed it turns out to be 'Paedophillia' as you think I will be the first to shout 'Bring Back Hanging' I promise you.

There is no need for you to stop posting, everyone has differing views, that's what makes this group work, it just means we sometimes have to agree to disagree!!

And I might come over and join that guy from Birmingham throwing bottles at the prison van - or do something more constructive.

 

[Amber34]

I was talking to a friend about this case the other day. We live in a village around half the size and a quarter of the facilities of Mach, therefore less social than Mach as we have less places to interact.

However, pound to a pinch of s***, everyone will know who the 'dodgy' people are, whose behaviour to keep an eye on and if there was ever a hint of predatory behaviour, rumours will abound, despite the reduced social interaction.

Not once have I seen any rumours about MB. There is nothing in his 'dating' history to suggest people were wary of him and clearly he was around his own and other children without supervision, and therefore without concern.

I would think there are more people in Mach standing with their jaws hung open in shock than those sagely nodding their heads, saying they told you so.

I do not see a classic profile unravelling.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

It is odd, but not uncommon anymore in today's society. I don't watch soap operas, but pick up a bit about them from people talking. Arent's these soaps full of relationship breakdowns, half siblings, step siblings?

Like Corrie and Emmerdale for example.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

No, in the UK most schools have a uniform of some sort - some just say "a blue jumper and black trousers" others actually specify the exact style and supplier!

Are we both talking about the same thing, pre-school, kindy uniforms, not infants and primary.

ALL schools in Australia have uniforms too, unlike the USA. The difference between us and the UK is that we call our non-government schools 'private schools' -which includes Catholic, Anglican etc and non-denominational, whereas in the UK your 'private schools' are called 'public schools'
In Australia a public school is the government run school - which has no fees.

Somebody here posted that April's photo may have been from NURSERY school, because some of them wear uniforms. My interpretation of nursery school is - day care, pre school, kindy, whatever you want to call it, not Infants school that the child starts at 4+.

 

[Adorabella]

His relationships are hardly built on normal and solid foundations, or am I the only one here who thinks to father a brood on one single estate with virtual neighbours, friends, and family associates as odd?

It's seems to be a way of life in some areas - not specific to him. Also, it takes two to...ahem...tango, so are the women he had those children with also guilty of something other than questionable choices? It seems to me that in the main, he was doing his best to be a father and to be supportive. Other than the fact he has been charged, based on what has been made public, I am still yet to see anything about him that automatically shouts murderer or pervert. He may be - he may not be - but I honestly cannot tell that from the info that is out there. Perhaps if I could I would have an altogether different career!

 

[LegallyBrunette]

His relationships are hardly built on normal and solid foundations, or am I the only one here who thinks to father a brood on one single estate with virtual neighbours, friends, and family associates as odd?

I think it's irresponsible to be fathering more children when the best he's managed with his 19 year old is to run into him at the local pub.

 

[Amber34]

Sorry if I appear a bit dense, but if AJ was 5 in June 2012, you say there is no legal requirement for her to have started school until September 2012.

But you then go on to say that she will have been attending school for a year already.

What makes you think the parents will have asked for her to be admitted early?

No, it's standard practice to start them in a reception class in the September after they are 4. Reception is a cross between pre-school and school, so it eases them in gently. Parents would have to request to start their child later. My daughter's birthday is at the end of June and her dad was dead against her starting school that September so we looked at starting her later. We were told that legally, we would be fine to do that but she would not start in reception, but go straight in at year 1, so she was with her peer group.

Conversely, I used to teach pre-school children with special educational needs. If they were going to enter main stream education, we would often keep them at pre-school a little longer than their peers and they would enter school at the correct legal age, giving them a little more time for diagnosis and any treatments they were undergoing as well as several social benefits and to comply with the requests of the local primary schools.