Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #6 *M. Bridger guilty*

[Insp.Dots]

'would not be drawn on......' is the bit that bothers me. Although, being known for that particular type of offence - does not automatically mean that it's an offence against children. Not that it's great whatever it is.

A journalists words. WHAT TYPE OF OFFENSE? The police automatically search EVERY area in early stages of a child abduction, it's right they do.......At NO point in this case so far has ANY mention been made to indicate MB is a paedophile or that this is/has any kind of sexual motive.:banghead:

Honestly don't mean to cause any offense whatsoever, and as I've said IF it's said in the future then yes let all hell break loose. I just thought that we were meant to talk/debate on known facts or MSM and because we can't make sense of it we've started making stuff up to fit!!
This isn't in any way aimed at you ny the way, I'm saying in General

 

[bijoux]

I'd like to know everyone's thoughts on the 3rd charge:

That between September 30, 2012 and October 3, 2012 at Machynlleth, with intent to pervert the course of justice, did an act, namely the unlawful disposal and concealment of the body of April Sue-Lyn Jones, which had a tendency to pervert the course of public justice contrary to common law.

Does this mean:
The act of disposing and concealing a body.
Not divulging the location of the body.
Leading LE on a wild goose chase to where he didn't put the body.

And

Why does LE need the 3rd charge?

 

[Clutchbag]

I'd like to know everyone's thoughts on the 3rd charge:

That between September 30, 2012 and October 3, 2012 at Machynlleth, with intent to pervert the course of justice, did an act, namely the unlawful disposal and concealment of the body of April Sue-Lyn Jones, which had a tendency to pervert the course of public justice contrary to common law.

Does this mean:
The act of disposing and concealing a body.
Not divulging the location of the body.
Leading LE on a wild goose chase to where he didn't put the body.

And

Why does LE need the 3rd charge?

All three imo
LE may need the third charge in case they cant prove it was murder

 

[Adorabella]

All three imo
LE may need the third charge in case they cant prove it was murder

I was wondering if the third charge was also to pre-empt the possibility/ likelihood that they will never find AJ and to put the blame of that very firmly on the shoulders of the accused from the outset.

 

[Dirk Gently]

I'd like to know everyone's thoughts on the 3rd charge:

That between September 30, 2012 and October 3, 2012 at Machynlleth, with intent to pervert the course of justice, did an act, namely the unlawful disposal and concealment of the body of April Sue-Lyn Jones, which had a tendency to pervert the course of public justice contrary to common law.

What's with the date range? AJ was abducted on the 1st October and MB arrested on the 2nd. So why specify from the day before the abduction through to the day after the arrest? Is this standard procedure in a case like this or is this significant in some way?

Also, why does it say "...at Machynlleth..." given that AJ's current location is unknown? Are they obliged to include a specific location in the charge?

 

[Clutchbag]

What's with the date range? AJ was abducted on the 1st October and MB arrested on the 2nd. So why specify from the day before the abduction through to the day after the arrest? Is this standard procedure in a case like this or is this significant in some way?

Also, why does it say "...at Machynlleth..." given that AJ's current location is unknown? Are they obliged to include a specific location in the charge?

This was answered before but I cant remember it exactly. Somethingto do with just putting the two dates of october 1st and 2nd in some parameter

between sept 30th and october 3rd includes abduction on the 1st and concealment either on the 1st or 2nd

i believe its just legalese of some sort but i agree with you its odd and between the 1st and 2nd makes more sense seeing as it was less than 24 hours within which both could have happened and not the vast margin of four days

As for naming the place I am only guessing it means the abduction and plan to kill/dispose started there

 

[Insp.Dots]

:heartbeat: :heartbeat: :heartbeat:

I found a Link with the shoes that April was photographed wearing with the clothing she was described as wearing when she was abducted. Otherwise, the Link appears to be old news.

My prayers go out for little April, her loved ones, and all those who have worked so deligently trying to bring her home. God Bless All. lease:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...reaking-news-April-Jones-murder-live-air.html

I'm sorry, think I'm going mad Can't see, where does it say that was the outfit?

There is this one:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/3...g-april-jones-five-van-machynlleth-search.htm

Despite the lack of clarity, police have revealed that April was wearing a purple knee-length coat with grey fur around the hood, a white polo shirt and black trousers

 

[Cherwell]

What's with the date range? AJ was abducted on the 1st October and MB arrested on the 2nd. So why specify from the day before the abduction through to the day after the arrest? Is this standard procedure in a case like this or is this significant in some way?

Yes, it is standard procedure. The date range is exclusive, ie the day before the abduction and the day after the arrest are not included: they are used as bookends, if you will. It is because the actual date of death is unknown at this time.

 

[bijoux]

LE may need the third charge in case they cant prove it was murder

But how can one be charged with disposing and concealing a body if murder hasn't been proved?

 

[Insp.Dots]

I'd like to know everyone's thoughts on the 3rd charge:

That between September 30, 2012 and October 3, 2012 at Machynlleth, with intent to pervert the course of justice, did an act, namely the unlawful disposal and concealment of the body of April Sue-Lyn Jones, which had a tendency to pervert the course of public justice contrary to common law.

Does this mean:
The act of disposing and concealing a body.
Not divulging the location of the body.
Leading LE on a wild goose chase to where he didn't put the body.

And

Why does LE need the 3rd charge?

Yay, Change of subject makes me very happy :great:

The inclusion of the days before and after are apparently just the legal way of doing it, there is a thread with it explained somewhere.

I agree with others that I wonder if this is just in case they don't convince a Jury of Murder, It's a well known fact that it will be hard without a body!

But having said that the very fact it states disposing and conceal would draw me to conclude they have some evidence of death.

I was wondering also how this charge would stand if MB had been heavily under the influence and said he couldn't remember or something similar, I don't know if that in itself would be enough?

 

[Clutchbag]

But how can one be charged with disposing and concealing a body if murder hasn't been proved?

Negligent or accidental homicide, manslaughter, plain accident, but not premeditated or actual murder, sorry dont all the legal terms but you see what i mean ie somethjng happened which was not meant and they panicked and hid the body

 

[Cherwell]

But how can one be charged with disposing and concealing a body if murder hasn't been proved?

It doesn't have to involve murder for someone to be charged with disposing and concealing a body (and also preventing lawful burial). It could be accident, or even natural causes. A person can be charged with this offence even if they had nothing to do with the death.

 

[bijoux]

It doesn't have to involve murder for someone to be charged with disposing and concealing a body (and also preventing lawful burial). It could be accident, or even natural causes. A person can be charged with this offence even if they had nothing to do with the death.

Thank you, and is clutchbag correct that it could also be manslaughter?

 

[Dirk Gently]

Yes, it is standard procedure. The date range is exclusive, ie the day before the abduction and the day after the arrest are not included: they are used as bookends, if you will. It is because the actual date of death is unknown at this time.

Thanks. But what about the charge specifically stating that the offence occurred "at Machynlleth"? Is this also standard procedure or does it indicate that the police know, or MB has indicated, that he disposed of the body locally?

 

[Insp.Dots]

This is going to sound ridiculous probably.
But could drunkenness or drunken blackouts be used as a defense in Court? And if so how likely would it be that a jury would accept such a defense?

I'm not saying this is what has happened here but alcohol has been mentioned and I just wondered if anyone has heard of any cases where it's been used before??

 

[Cendlaetholwr]

It looks like the same school as she had the winter uniform.

Not wanting to be a snob, but isn't it usually more upmarket kindies that have a little uniform?
(there are none that I know of in Sydney, btw, only uniforms are prep school and that is proper school, not pre school or kindergarten.)

All the schools in Powys have a policy of a set school uniform, except for those who start pre-school.

 

[Cherwell]

Thank you, and is clutchbag correct that it could also be manslaughter?

If you're only referring to the charge of disposal/concealment etc, then the manner of death is immaterial.

 

[Cherwell]

This is going to sound ridiculous probably.
But could drunkenness or drunken blackouts be used as a defense in Court? And if so how likely would it be that a jury would accept such a defense?

I'm not saying this is what has happened here but alcohol has been mentioned and I just wondered if anyone has heard of any cases where it's been used before??

As regards the charge of concealing a body, I'd say that it's more of an explanation than a defence.

If he was drunk, it could be that he caused her death accidentally .... I do wonder if there was damage to the front of the car, and that was why it was covered in the photo. Shock and alcohol can black out traumatic incidents, so it could be that he really doesn't remember. It would explain why he made no apparent efforts to get away, and also the tears. It would be a mix of genuine grief, guilt, and despair at his own plight. Just a possibility.

Thanks. But what about the charge specifically stating that the offence occurred "at Machynlleth"? Is this also standard procedure or does it indicate that the police know, or MB has indicated, that he disposed of the body locally?

Sorry, I don't know the answer to that.

 

[bijoux]

If you're only referring to the charge of disposal/concealment etc, then the manner of death is immaterial.

Got it, thanks.

One last question:

Am I correct in assuming then, that when charges were laid, LE had to consider that they might not have enough evidence for a murder charge to convict, hence the 3rd charge?

 

[bijoux]

Shock and alcohol can black out traumatic incidents, so it could be that he really doesn't remember. It would explain why he made no apparent efforts to get away, and also the tears. It would be a mix of genuine grief, guilt, and despair at his own plight.

And what would be the reason that he can't say where he put AJ?