Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #7 *M. Bridger guilty*

[Insp.Dots]

BTW 'Dots', more useless info, my g'grandfather was born in Penzance, family were bakers and confectioners.

Not a Pirate then?! :floorlaughpirates of Penzance)

You should come over and do some exploring. Lots of History in Penzance.
I'm very lucky to live in another lovely part of Britain, though my ancestry is mostly Welsh.:rocker:

 

[Insp.Dots]

http://www.facebook.com/dafyddP

Found it, Comment under second post on using 101 instead of posting on fb. Waiting three weeks for response.! Despite numerous calls.

The person was are also saying the 0300 number doesnt work any more.

Hmmm...mixed feelings on this as some 'idiot' had used the FB page to report she had information on the case.
Why would you??? Are these people stupid?? LOL...
I
F this person was having problems the sensible thing to do would be to go into a police station, find the Dyfd Police Website, not FB or even EMAIL them, but frankly, again IF she did genuinely try all these numbers and get nowhere then I'd ring 999 and say it was the ONLY way you'd been able to get to speak to someone regarding whatever the info is!

 

[LegallyBrunette]

BBM The complaint re witness status was also on the DYFD Police FB page, I noticed the other day.

Not a Pirate then?! :floorlaughpirates of Penzance)

You should come over and do some exploring. Lots of History in Penzance.
I'm very lucky to live in another lovely part of Britain, though my ancestry is mostly Welsh.:rocker:

I have, but not Penzance yet. Apparently he and his brother used to swim across to St Michael's Mount and then wonder if they would make it back!
I find Cornwall fascinating because of the Arthurian legends amongst other things.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Hmmm...mixed feelings on this as some 'idiot' had used the FB page to report she had information on the case.
Why would you??? Are these people stupid?? LOL...
I
F this person was having problems the sensible thing to do would be to go into a police station, find the Dyfd Police Website, not FB or even EMAIL them, but frankly, again IF she did genuinely try all these numbers and get nowhere then I'd ring 999 and say it was the ONLY way you'd been able to get to speak to someone regarding whatever the info is!

Could be another BS artist like the fake report of the attempted abduction at Minera.

And this one -
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...couple-kidnapped-facebook-hoax_n_1953777.html

A terrified couple revealed how their home was stormed by police after vile web pranksters claimed they had kidnapped April Jones.

Kevin Murphy, 43, and Debbie Maidment, 45, were left shocked when officers swooped on their home last Sunday after claims on Facebook they had the missing Welsh girl.

The message was posted on a Facebook group on Sunday morning, which sparked a deluge of calls from concerned friends and relatives.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Ah thanks. I thought I was close, but it didn't sound quite right LOL. Does that come from Alice in Wonderland?

Yes I think so, it's like the one that Alice wears

 

[Clutchbag]

I think it might be edited, or she has added a few of her own ingredients :twocents:

Edit: I did notice the other night that on a couple of the news sites the video links have been removed 'for legal reasons'. Don't ask me which ones, there have been too many viewed!

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=On...s+a+fam&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari
Top of the list
If you compare the main link to the cached version you will see a very different article, yes it was changed. Mail reference no. of the article is the same, the no. you can see in the URL. The original version contains text from the yopsy link

You can copy any chunk of text that you want to check and google for it, always check cached pages too

 

[TulipaNoir]

Hmmm...mixed feelings on this as some 'idiot' had used the FB page to report she had information on the case.
Why would you??? Are these people stupid?? LOL...
I
F this person was having problems the sensible thing to do would be to go into a police station, find the Dyfd Police Website, not FB or even EMAIL them, but frankly, again IF she did genuinely try all these numbers and get nowhere then I'd ring 999 and say it was the ONLY way you'd been able to get to speak to someone regarding whatever the info is!

She seems to like the attention. As you say there are many ways to contact the police, and Facebook is not on top of that list.

These police departments must hate having a facebook page. All the bickering that goes on on these pages is horrible. But I guess they still have to sift through all the comments just in case there is something of interest.

 

[Dirk Gently]

Re: my earlier post about whether the reference to "at Machynlleth" in the "unlawful disposal of a body/attempt to pervert justice" charge is significant, the Crown Prosecution Service's website has this to say:

"In the majority of cases it will not be necessary to refer to the place or location of an offence. The exception will be cases where place/location is an essential ingredient of the offence, as with, for example, burglary. (R v Wallwork [1958] 42 Cr. App. R. 153)."

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/drafting_the_indictment/

With the above in mind in seems to me that the decision to specifically identify Machynlleth as the place where this offence occurred IS significant given that there is no binding legal requirement to do so. If the offence occurred in Ceinws then presumably the charge would state "at Ceinws" instead. If LE simply do not know where the unlawful disposal occurred then it seems reasonable to assume that the charge would not refer to a specific place.

I assume that a charge that refers to a specific locale places the burden of proof on the prosecution to demonstrate that the offence did indeed occur at the place specified in the charge? Also, that if AJ's body were to be discovered in the Brecon Beacons, for example, then this charge would have to be dropped and MB recharged with the same offence but at a different location?

The point I'm trying to make is that LE have made the location an "essential ingredient" of the charge, so the charge will stand or fall on the prosecution's ability to demonstrate that the offence occurred "at Machynlleth".

 

[Insp.Dots]

Could be another BS artist like the fake report of the attempted abduction at Minera.

Yes, I'm astounded that people also clog up these police sites with so much non sense and pure gossip.
They have to trawl through so much rubbish to get to the 'genuine' reports and sightings.
I also noted in the Tia case on FB that it was confirmed the Police had and do regularly look through posts in Groups etc in the hope of finding the 'Golden Nugget' they need!

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Meanwhile, further accounts have been disclosed of Bridger’s close relationship with April’s father.
A former friend of the accused, who would not be identified, said: ‘Paul was a pretty close friend – Mark was often around there because his own kids live on the same estate.
‘Mark’s hobbies include clay pigeon shooting and motors – he’s very keen on banger racing and has competed in races. Most people around here know his face.’
A friend of the Jones family added: ‘Mark was often at their house. He and Paul used to mend motorbikes together in Paul’s garage.
‘I cannot stop thinking of April, playing outside on the trampoline, singing, laughing and running about with her friends on the square in the middle of the estate.’


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[nursebeeme]

Yes, I'm astounded that people also clog up these police sites with so much non sense and pure gossip.
They have to trawl through so much rubbish to get to the 'genuine' reports and sightings.
I also noted in the Tia case on FB that it was confirmed the Police had and do regularly look through posts in Groups etc in the hope of finding the 'Golden Nugget' they need!

BBM: this is why we do not allow copy and paste of social media comments. They are considered rumor.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Re: my earlier post about whether the reference to "at Machynlleth" in the "unlawful disposal of a body/attempt to pervert justice" charge is significant, the Crown Prosecution Service's website has this to say:

"In the majority of cases it will not be necessary to refer to the place or location of an offence. The exception will be cases where place/location is an essential ingredient of the offence, as with, for example, burglary. (R v Wallwork [1958] 42 Cr. App. R. 153)."

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/drafting_the_indictment/

With the above in mind in seems to me that the decision to specifically identify Machynlleth as the place where this offence occurred IS significant given that there is no binding legal requirement to do so. If the offence occurred in Ceinws then presumably the charge would state "at Ceinws" instead. If LE simply do not know where the unlawful disposal occurred then it seems reasonable to assume that the charge would not refer to a specific place.

I assume that a charge that refers to a specific locale places the burden of proof on the prosecution to demonstrate that the offence did indeed occur at the place specified in the charge? Also, that if AJ's body were to be discovered in the Brecon Beacons, for example, then this charge would have to be dropped and MB recharged with the same offence but at a different location?

The point I'm trying to make is that LE have made the location an "essential ingredient" of the charge, so the charge will stand or fall on the prosecution's ability to demonstrate that the offence occurred "at Machynlleth".

Did someone get a copy of the charge sheet?

 

[Insp.Dots]

Re: my earlier post about whether the reference to "at Machynlleth" in the "unlawful disposal of a body/attempt to pervert justice" charge is significant, the Crown Prosecution Service's website has this to say:

"In the majority of cases it will not be necessary to refer to the place or location of an offence. The exception will be cases where place/location is an essential ingredient of the offence, as with, for example, burglary. (R v Wallwork [1958] 42 Cr. App. R. 153)."

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/drafting_the_indictment/

With the above in mind in seems to me that the decision to specifically identify Machynlleth as the place where this offence occurred IS significant given that there is no binding legal requirement to do so. If the offence occurred in Ceinws then presumably the charge would state "at Ceinws" instead. If LE simply do not know where the unlawful disposal occurred then it seems reasonable to assume that the charge would not refer to a specific place.

I assume that a charge that refers to a specific locale places the burden of proof on the prosecution to demonstrate that the offence did indeed occur at the place specified in the charge? Also, that if AJ's body were to be discovered in the Brecon Beacons, for example, then this charge would have to be dropped and MB recharged with the same offence but at a different location?

The point I'm trying to make is that LE have made the location an "essential ingredient" of the charge, so the charge will stand or fall on the prosecution's ability to demonstrate that the offence occurred "at Machynlleth".

Hmm Interesting. I wondered also if it could mean the Machynlleth area?
Do you think this is meaning 'disposing of body or evidence in the river?'

I don't think the Black Bag Man was spotted actually dumping it in river, though they may well have found something there?

 

[Dirk Gently]

Did someone get a copy of the charge sheet?

They were reported by, inter alios, The Telegraph as they were read out in court.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9594065/Mark-Bridger-The-charges-against-him.html

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Hmm Interesting. I wondered also if it could mean the Machynlleth area?
Do you think this is meaning 'disposing of body or evidence in the river?'

I don't think the Black was spotted actually dumping it in river, though they may well have found something there?

Where is the Police station where MB was questioned?

 

[LegallyBrunette]

They were reported by, inter alios, The Telegraph as they were read out in court.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9594065/Mark-Bridger-The-charges-against-him.html

Thanks, yes that is what the charges mean - all three are at Mach.

 

[Insp.Dots]

Meanwhile, further accounts have been disclosed of Bridger’s close relationship with April’s father.
A former friend of the accused, who would not be identified, said: ‘Paul was a pretty close friend – Mark was often around there because his own kids live on the same estate.
‘Mark’s hobbies include clay pigeon shooting and motors – he’s very keen on banger racing and has competed in races. Most people around here know his face.’
A friend of the Jones family added: ‘Mark was often at their house. He and Paul used to mend motorbikes together in Paul’s garage.
‘I cannot stop thinking of April, playing outside on the trampoline, singing, laughing and running about with her friends on the square in the middle of the estate.’


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ear-old-silent-walk-church.html#ixzz2ADtVcgSS
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Notice the photo's of MB in this report provided by??????
But again noticing the faces blotted out other than those of MB and VF... so i'm thinking she either gave these photo's to the press or gave permission for her face to be shown, they are after all 'private' photos??????

 

[Dirk Gently]

Hmm Interesting. I wondered also if it could mean the Machynlleth area?
Do you think this is meaning 'disposing of body or evidence in the river?'

I don't think the Black was spotted actually dumping it in river, though they may well have found something there?

I know what you mean but Machynlleth is a town not an area, region or county. The very nature of the charge suggests otherwise.

"That between September 30, 2012 and October 3, 2012 at Machynlleth, with intent to pervert the course of justice, did an act, namely the unlawful disposal and concealment of the body of April Sue-Lyn Jones, which had a tendency to pervert the course of public justice contrary to common law. "

I think this is pointing to disposal (full or in part - I'd rather not say any more than this) in the river.

 

[TulipaNoir]

Re: my earlier post about whether the reference to "at Machynlleth" in the "unlawful disposal of a body/attempt to pervert justice" charge is significant, the Crown Prosecution Service's website has this to say:

"In the majority of cases it will not be necessary to refer to the place or location of an offence. The exception will be cases where place/location is an essential ingredient of the offence, as with, for example, burglary. (R v Wallwork [1958] 42 Cr. App. R. 153)."

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/drafting_the_indictment/

With the above in mind in seems to me that the decision to specifically identify Machynlleth as the place where this offence occurred IS significant given that there is no binding legal requirement to do so. If the offence occurred in Ceinws then presumably the charge would state "at Ceinws" instead. If LE simply do not know where the unlawful disposal occurred then it seems reasonable to assume that the charge would not refer to a specific place.

I assume that a charge that refers to a specific locale places the burden of proof on the prosecution to demonstrate that the offence did indeed occur at the place specified in the charge? Also, that if AJ's body were to be discovered in the Brecon Beacons, for example, then this charge would have to be dropped and MB recharged with the same offence but at a different location?

The point I'm trying to make is that LE have made the location an "essential ingredient" of the charge, so the charge will stand or fall on the prosecution's ability to demonstrate that the offence occurred "at Machynlleth".

Good find!

Is Machynlleth in Council Powys and Ceinws in Council Gwynned?

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Notice the photo's of MB in this report provided by??????
But again noticing the faces blotted out other than those of MB and VF... so i'm thinking she either gave these photo's to the press or gave permission for her face to be shown, they are after all 'private' photos??????

Memory gone, but someone on here said those pics were on his FB page before photos were made private. Interesting about VF.