Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #7 *M. Bridger guilty*

[Clutchbag]

Only on a regional basis - not for a single town, let alone a single house.

Thank you! VF

 

[Sarahlou]

But we don't yet know that the forensic evidence shows that April was killed in the house. That may be case, but the jury will need evidence beyond reasonable doubt.

As to MB's taste for young mothers, it doesn't follow from that he wanted to abduct children.

Don't think I'm trying to defend Bridger, though. I'm just pointing out that conclusions must be based on evidence, not feelings.

There was no evidence that the car had hit anyone and there was no blood inside the car. But there was a lot of blood, enough to soak through the carpet in the lounge of his house. Blood was also found in other rooms of the house. No blood was found outside the house. I think it's pretty clear imo where she was killed.

 

[ann-other]

There was no evidence that the car had hit anyone and there was no blood inside the car. But there was a lot of blood, enough to soak through the carpet in the lounge of his house. Blood was also found in other rooms of the house. No blood was found outside the house. I think it's pretty clear imo where she was killed.

It takes at least six hours for the blood to start congealing, initially it would drain and pool to extremities nearest the ground. It is feasible she died elsewhere but her body 'disposed' of in the house. After all, he must of known he had to act quickly in order to hide all evidence. JMO of course.

 

[veggiefan]

There was no evidence that the car had hit anyone and there was no blood inside the car.

There is still another week of evidence from the prosecution, and we haven't heard ANY of the defence's evidence yet.

But there was a lot of blood, enough to soak through the carpet in the lounge of his house. Blood was also found in other rooms of the house. No blood was found outside the house. I think it's pretty clear imo where she was killed.

I'm not saying you are wrong - merely that we should wait to hear all of the evidence before forming conclusions.

 

[Clutchbag]

MB says he didnt take her to his house, the seeping of blood thhrough the carpet makes that hard to believe.

Were it not for that the defence might argue he run her over, no blood seeped through in the short car journey through her padded coat, or if some did maybe onto some blanket or something that may have been in the car MB handled her and put her somewhere, where he cant remember, but he got her blood over him andthat explains its presence in his house and in the bath where he showered and or washed his clothes/other car items, just speculating

 

[veggiefan]

MB says he didnt take her to his house, the seeping of blood thhrough the carpet makes that hard to believe.

When did he say that? As far as I am aware, he has made no statement to the court as yet.

 

[Sarah]

Just catching up because I've not been around for a couple of days.
Huge thanks to Neurotripsy for keeping us all up to date with the twitter feeds :tyou:

Maybe it was a dictaphone or a tape recorder? If so, I really hope they find it.

Also, here's a Guardian link.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/09/april-jones-girl-mark-bridger

I guess it might have just been a mobile phone with a booster antenna - reception in the Corris valley, where he had moved, is very poor indeed.

I don't know why but when I read that the thing that sprang to my mind was a police scanner.
Seems like the type of thing that he would have - although it only makes sense if he wasn't actually talking into it ???

 

[Clutchbag]

When did he say that? As far as I am aware, he has made no statement to the court as yet.

he definitely said it, give me a few minutes to find it

 

[Sarah]

MB says he didnt take her to his house, the seeping of blood thhrough the carpet makes that hard to believe.

Were it not for that the defence might argue he run her over, no blood seeped through in the short car journey through her padded coat, or if some did maybe onto some blanket or something that may have been in the car MB handled her and put her somewhere, where he cant remember, but he got her blood over him andthat explains its presence in his house and in the bath where he showered and or washed his clothes/other car items, just speculating

I don't think I've read anywhere that he said that either. Not doubting that you've seen it, I'd just be interested to know where it originated.
From what I recall the defence isn't going to dispute the blood evidence at his house which IMO is more or less an acknowledgement that he did take her there - I thought his story was simply that he couldn't remember what happened after "the accident" or what he did with her.

Your second paragraph is exactly what I think the defence is going to claim - and to date I've not really heard anything in the prosecution's case to knock that story down

 

[Clutchbag]

Sarah and Vf I found the tweet

Bridger told police: "I don’t believe April’s ever been in my house. I don’t believe I took her to the house." #AprilJones

 

[Sarah]

Sarah and Vf I found the tweet

Bridger told police: "I don’t believe April’s ever been in my house. I don’t believe I took her to the house." #AprilJones

Thank You - I bet that took some searching out!!!

I'm on my phone at the moment but when I'm back on the laptop I'll try to find where I read that the defence wasn't disputing the blood evidence.
Maybe he changed his story in between his first police interviews and the trial???

 

[Clutchbag]

Thank You - I bet that took some searching out!!!

I'm on my phone at the moment but when I'm back on the laptop I'll try to find where I read that the defence wasn't disputing the blood evidence.
Maybe he changed his story in between his first police interviews and the trial???

the defence didnt dispute it cos they couldnt but it depends on what they say about how it got there

Ps no it didnt take long to find it, google is great when u put the right words in

 

[Elainera]

It takes at least six hours for the blood to start congealing, initially it would drain and pool to extremities nearest the ground. It is feasible she died elsewhere but her body 'disposed' of in the house. After all, he must of known he had to act quickly in order to hide all evidence. JMO of course.

That's what I think too.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Thanks to everyone for your input overnight, it is interesting to read the interpretation of the evidence so far by different people.
IF he claimed she died elsewhere, how did her blood and DNA get to his house, given that there has been no forensic evidence of blood etc in his vehicle?
Also, and I hate typing this but it's in the revolting evidence, amongst items found in his house was a badly burned boning knife near the fire. I have a scenario in my mind that no decent person could contemplate, but we aren't dealing with a normal decent person here. A person who watched a cartoon of a young child being restrained and raped on the same day that he took April.
As to the girls seeing him in the car with a 'walkie talkie', I think it was a mobile and wouldn't be surprised if he was on a sex chat line. He was laying down and had a newspaper on his lap. (sorry if anyone is having lunch). Police will have all this evidence, phone records etc.
Clutchbag, re your question about the electricity records, veggie has already answered for the local area, but here in Oz a lot of houses have 'smart meters' which can be adjusted by the electricity provider for peak and off peak etc and which record usage. That's what you might have been thinking of. Anyway, if he used his phone there will be records of which tower it logged into, same with computer. I reckon there will be more cctv of the vehicle too.

Veggie, thanks for your answer about the headmistress giving evidence in Welsh. It makes sense. Leads me to another comment, evidence from her was that April's class was in a Welsh stream so presumably her little friends might also have had Welsh as their first language. This could explain some of the discrepancies in evidence from the child witnesses. I think they have done remarkably well, especially the 7 year old who put counsel Kelly right back in his place when he told her she was mistaken about how April got in the vehicle. Remember too he can only cross examine her on the info his client has given him. If MB had admitted a different story to him he can't go into court and present a false scenario as defence.

On the issue of the vehicle and the doors being hard to open, I believe it was the back doors that the mechanic was speaking of, not the front doors. When he said it was a common problem with Land Rovers. Evidence from 7 year old was that April climbed in and through front seats into back seat. Possibly MB told her to lay down so nobody would see her as if it was a game and they were off on an adventure. I don't think it's an issue as he has admitted she was in the vehicle, just lost his memory about what happened to her after his BS failed CPR scenario. As if none of those adult witnesses would have noticed if he had run over a child, and if he did, how did her bicycle not get damaged.

I have been following Steven Morris' tweets and also BBC Wales and other local news sites that are giving pretty much verbatim of the evidence. There is a lot more detail in the full version than can be sent in the tweets. Remember 'the devil's in the detail'. Not that the basic evidence isn't damning enough.

End of my Saturday morning rant.

Thinking of April's family and all who loved her. :rose: Tomorrow is Mothers' Day here (and in the US). No mother or grandmother should have to endure the loss of a child in this way.

All of above is my opinion only.

 

[Elainera]

IF he claimed she died elsewhere, how did her blood and DNA get to his house, given that there has been no forensic evidence of blood etc in his vehicle?

My guess is that he will say that when he ran her over there were no wounds, no bleeding. As to how the blood was found in his house ... well, the knife says it all ... poor baby!

 

[LegallyBrunette]

My guess is that he will say that when he ran her over there were no wounds, no bleeding. As to how the blood was found in his house ... well, the knife says it all ... poor baby!

He ran over a small child in a Land Rover, nobody near the garages saw it and there was no bleeding but she suffered catastrophic injuries which killed her. And her bike didn't get a scratch on it.

Every time he opens his mouth he digs that hole for himself a bit deeper.

What has been done is too repulsive to contemplate. I not only feel for the parents but also for this jury and investigating Police. What they have and will have to see and hear. All the filth from the computer, going to that house, the forensic evidence. The accused, a parent himself, but without enough humanity or courage to admit what he did with her body and at least let her be laid to rest. It will haunt them for the rest of their lives. :twocents:

 

[veggiefan]

On the issue of the vehicle and the doors being hard to open, I believe it was the back doors that the mechanic was speaking of, not the front doors. When he said it was a common problem with Land Rovers.

10.37am: Owner of Dyfi Autos, Robert Evans, giving evidence.
Under cross examination from Brendan Kelly QC, defending, he admits both front doors to Bridger's vehicle had been difficult to open a month earlier when it had an MOT. Says it is a common fault with Land Rover Discoveries of that age and agrees that a child would have found it difficult to open the front door on their own.

http://www.countytimes.co.uk/news/1...dates-from-the-mark-bridger-murder-trial.aspx

As if none of those adult witnesses would have noticed if he had run over a child, and if he did, how did her bicycle not get damaged.

There were no adult witnesses to MB's interaction with April, and I don't think he claims that he knocked her off the bicycle.

 

[Sarahlou]

Everything he says about running her over is BS. He was out looking for a victim that day to take back to his house and abuse IMO, and unfortunately April was the one he decided to pick up. Those other girls he approached had such a lucky escape.

 

[Cherwell]

On the issue of the vehicle and the doors being hard to open, I believe it was the back doors that the mechanic was speaking of, not the front doors.

10.37am: Owner of Dyfi Autos, Robert Evans, giving evidence.
Under cross examination from Brendan Kelly QC, defending, he admits both front doors to Bridger's vehicle had been difficult to open a month earlier when it had an MOT. Says it is a common fault with Land Rover Discoveries of that age and agrees that a child would have found it difficult to open the front door on their own.

Plus the fact that there aren't any back doors.

But it would be natural for a child to go to the back part of a car, as due to legal requirements re child seats it's more common for children to travel in the rear seats. The witness probably saw April looking and feeling for rear door handles. I'd guess MB leaned over and opened the front passenger door from the inside.

 

[Crazy Mama]

Was any semen found in unusual places?
Was any of Aprils DNA found in the messy bedroom of his?
Do they literally search every inch for DNA? Like take swabs of off everything?

Do we have any proof besides the computer history that this was sexually motivated? What if he really did run her over?
I agree that it appears that he did something terrible with her body.