Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #7 *M. Bridger guilty*

[Cherwell]

Wouldn't they have told the police? All the police seemed to know at this stage is that he lived somewhere in the Corris Valley - they closed 12 miles of road through the valley but didn't seem to have any more precise an address.

These ladies might have assumed that the police already knew the address.

Quoting out of context tells you nothing - apart from informing on someone's motives.

The post you are commenting on supplied the context in the form of links. The quotes were used to direct us to the part the poster referred to. I can't see anything wrong with that.

 

[veggiefan]

The main road (A487)is on one side of the river and Ceinws is on the other.

That's right. The road that runs through Ceinws on the opposite bank to the A487 is a minor (unclassified) road.

How come Bridger was reported seen waiting for a bus in Machynlleth, then, on the same morning?

Good point. It's possible that police were letting buses through, although I should think they would have been checking passengers if that was the case, but I have a vague recollection that some of the buses were running on diverted routes (possibly through Ceinws itself rather than on the A487, as there are few other possibilities).

 

[LegallyBrunette]

True, but knowing the importance of trying to find an abducted child as quickly as possible, I'm sure the police would have gone straight to Mount Pleasant if they'd know that he was living there, instead of waiting several miles down the road for much of the Tuesday in the hope of catching him.

Maybe they did and he wasn't around?

 

[Uchiki Kuri]

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Wasn't it just road blocks on A487, so buses could still run?

Yes, this could be correct.

BBC report:

Police said the man in custody was arrested on the A487 main road out of Machynlleth, which has been closed in both directions as far as Cross Foxes, near Dolgellau, 12 miles away.

This Is Bristol timeline:

Tuesday October 2nd

Posters are pinned up around the town, and police set up roadblocks and search vehicles.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

That's right. The road that runs through Ceinws on the opposite bank to the A487 is a minor (unclassified) road.



Good point. It's possible that police were letting buses through, although I should think they would have been checking passengers if that was the case, but I have a vague recollection that some of the buses were running on diverted routes (possibly through Ceinws itself rather than on the A487, as there are few other possibilities).

veggie, do you know if they diverted the traffic or just had roadblocks at either end of a stretch of it - I thought I read they were 'checking' cars?

 

[ann-other]

Sky News

"We have 17 specialist search teams out in the area now searching.

"As long as we have intelligence to suggest we need to search these areas, we will continue to do so.

"Our teams have been working flat out to find April and we are determined to find her."

http://news.sky.com/story/1002514/april-jones-police-teams-continue-search

Wales online

“Everybody is really dedicated and motivated in finding April and while we still have intelligence leads to search, we will continue,” he said.

Read More http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/2012/10/25/april-jones-latest-seventeen-search-teams-hunt-for-missing-april-jones-91466-32103086/#ixzz2AJTaebRs[/URL]

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Light globe moment, just looking at the google map posted here earlier of MB's house, can see what veggie or jigzy said about the location right near there where Dulas joins Dyfi.

 

[veggiefan]

veggie, do you know if they diverted the traffic or just had roadblocks at either end of a stretch of it - I thought I read they were 'checking' cars?

It was definately reported as "closed in both directions", but I imagine they still had to allow access for local residents, hence the checking.

The following photo shows no signs of diversion notices (although I guess they could be out of shot):

Out of interest, the local bus company has a diversion currently posted for route 34 along the A487. I'm unclear whether this is left over from the closure at the start of the month, or whether it is something new, perhaps due to roadworks. It indicates that buses certainly can be diverted up the minor road on the east side of the River Dulas, and through Ceinws itself:

http://www.lloydscoaches.com/Bus_Service_Alerts.htm

 

[Uchiki Kuri]

Light globe moment, just looking at the google map posted here earlier of MB's house, can see what veggie or jigzy said about the location right near there where Dulas joins Dyfi.

Not sure what you mean here.

 

[Cherwell]

This 2010 photo shows a bus going through Ceinws (to the inconvenience of the photographer, so it seems!)

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1683461

 

[Amber34]

veggie, do you know if they diverted the traffic or just had roadblocks at either end of a stretch of it - I thought I read they were 'checking' cars?

I thought I'd help by digging out the video of the road closures - but I can't find it, nor any reference to a video of it (can find written reference to the closure). The one I was thinking of was that of the police cars surrounding the van then aerial shots of the river and the cars queued up to get over the bridge, with a WPC talking to the occupants of the cars.

I'm wondering whether these have been pulled? I can find just one still of the surrounded van, but the video accompanying the story doesn't relate to that.

Maybe I am just using the wrong search terms?

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Not sure what you mean here.

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=mo...SJFiZsBR_2tY2IOko0vnIw&cbp=12,282.11,,0,14.84

Hopefully this link works - street view of Ceinws, looking up the hill to MB house (white house at top of picture, on left). In foreground you can see slate retaining wall which drops down to Dulas which is flowing under the road. Further left (out of frame) will be where it joins Dyfi.

(unless my nav skills are out of whack tonight)

 

[Amber34]

There's a timeline here which details the road closures

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2012/oct/02/april-jones-missing-five-live

 

[LegallyBrunette]

This is next door to MB
http://www.ownersdirect.co.uk/wales/w90.htm

The grounds are well laid out and incorporate a vehicular access from the country road leading down to a gravel parking area with lawns to either side. Enough parking for at least 3 cars. On the south side there is an enclosed lawned area surrounded by established boundary hedges and ornamental trees. To the rear of the property and approached via a small wicket gate there is an area of sloping ground which incorporates a footpath down to a seating area (rose garden) and then onto a small area of land with frontage onto the river Dulas. Children need to be supervised in this area of the garden as the river can be very fast flowing and the ground can be slippery

 

[TulipaNoir]

Light globe moment, just looking at the google map posted here earlier of MB's house, can see what veggie or jigzy said about the location right near there where Dulas joins Dyfi.

I thought the Dulas joined the Dyfi east of the Millennium Bridge?

At these coordinates in Google Earth: 52°35'59.35" N 3°50'31.02" W ?

 

[veggiefan]

In foreground you can see slate retaining wall which drops down to Dulas which is flowing under the road. Further left (out of frame) will be where it joins Dyfi.

No that is not the Dulas, but one of its small tributaries (Afon Glesyrch, I think). It joins the Dulas just out of shot and the Dulas then joins the Dyfi, which is about three miles away, well beyond the forest of dark trees at the centre top of the image.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nor...ll-honour-missing-april-jones-55578-32099449/

PINK flowers will adorn the stage of one of Wales’ oldest and largest provincial eisteddfodau this weekend in tribute to missing April Jones.

A procession through the streets of Machynlleth on Saturday morning will also go ahead as the town tries to return to normal after the five-year-old’s disappearance.

Officials of Eisteddfod Powys said they thought long and hard about whether to continue with the two day festival, which starts tomorrow afternoon.

But organising committee chairman John Price said the event, which has been held in different towns and villages in Powys since 1820, would go ahead.

“There have been rumours that the eisteddfod will be postponed or even cancelled. But after discussing the matter with various agencies the advice we have been given is that the eisteddfod should go ahead in order to bring some sort of normality back to the area,” he said
Mr Price said they will be decorating the stage with pink flowers. He added: “We considered not staging the procession but April’s family are keen for us to do so and we appreciate their support.”

 

[Clutchbag]

I thought the Dulas joined the Dyfi east of the Millennium Bridge?

At these coordinates in Google Earth: 52°35'59.35" N 3°50'31.02" W ?

That's right

http://www.machynlleth.info/framedyfi.htm

Thats a very handy link for rivers and streams around dyfi valley

The North Dulas (so named to distinguish it from altogether a different Dulas to the South called, er, the South Dulas) has its source way up in the Dyfi Forest, up above Aberllefenni. It flows south through a twisting valley via the villages of Corris, Ceinws and Pantperthog, to join the Dyfi just upstream of the Millenium Bridge.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

No that is not the Dulas, but one of its small tributaries (Afon Glesyrch, I think). It joins the Dulas just out of shot and the Dulas then joins the Dyfi, which is about three miles away, well beyond the forest of dark trees at the centre top of the image.

Thanks veggie, yet again, for your superb local knowledge

Whatever it's called, it's water anyway, KWIM :twocents:

 

[veggiefan]

That's right

http://www.machynlleth.info/framedyfi.htm

Thats a very handy link for rivers and streams around dyfi valley

Just as an indication of the difficulty of searching that area, that page links to this fascinating account (Llwyngwern is little more than a mile from Ceinws):

After much searching, I came across a mention of it in a Ward Lock tourist guide to Wales from the 1970s (why did they pick on this obscure feature?), referring to the "Chamber of Hwmffra Goch" as being "a cave behind a waterfall which long served as a highwayman's hide" near Llwyngwern.

http://website.lineone.net/~dyfival1/histpantperth.htm

If it still exists, I'm sure the locals will have pointed searchers to it, but I have a feeling that the water was probably diverted some years ago to power the hydraulic funicular railway that climbs up the side of the valley to the Centre for Alternative Technology.