Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #7 *M. Bridger guilty*

[jigzy]

If this guy were a well respected celebrity or person of means, I think he would get a lesser sentence, but given...
his history of threatening a police officer with a machete in 2004 during a domestic incident,
his exposed lies/fabrications about being in the armed forces (an insult to those who serve),
his recollections, amongst seemingly selective amnesia, accounting for blood in the bathroom due to washing his jumper, blood on the rug due to remembering laying her down, dna on his genitals due to taking a pee, even saying he had been foraging for mushrooms in case dirt was found under his nails, IMO,
... I think he will be found guilty as charged.

The LE don't look lightly on cases where violence is threatened against their own officers. It must have been very frustrating for the LE being quite certain he did it, yet not managing the find he body and absolutely nail it on him. No wonder they were determined to keep searching. What this guy has cost the taxpayer.... :/

The one thing that does surprise me, given that I absolutely do NOT believe MB's account at all, is that there is no sign of the girl inside his vehicle. No blood, no fingerprints, no cadaverine mentioned (I still wonder if cadaver and blood dogs were involved), no sign of a moving child in the car on the CCTV footage that evening. She may have been wearing gloves of course, as the weather was dreary, which might account for no fingerprints. The only thing that I can think of that would account for her not moving around in the vehicle and being seen in cctv footage, and there being no sign of a struggle in the vehicle, is that she was told to lie down as a prank - something like I'll drive you around to your mum at the parents evening and you can surprise her, or if MB's dog was on board and she played with it in the back.
The morning of the 2nd October all of town was surely texting and gossiping about the left hand drive info just released and who they KNEW to be the likely culprit given that description of the vehicle, so why do we see helicopter footage of MB leaving his house to walk his dog whilst smoke rose from his chimney, yet no police intercepted him at that time. Was it coincidence that he was captured on helicopter footage or did the LE suspect him and venture out to Ceinws to look for him. Had they entered his house at that time the evidence from the wood burner stove might have been more conclusive.

Jmo

 

[Elainera]

If this guy were a well respected celebrity or person of means, I think he would get a lesser sentence, but given...
his history of threatening a police officer with a machete in 2004 during a domestic incident,
his exposed lies/fabrications about being in the armed forces (an insult to those who serve),
his recollections, amongst seemingly selective amnesia, accounting for blood in the bathroom due to washing his jumper, blood on the rug due to remembering laying her down, dna on his genitals due to taking a pee, even saying he had been foraging for mushrooms in case dirt was found under his nails, IMO,
... I think he will be found guilty as charged.

The LE don't look lightly on cases where violence is threatened against their own officers. It must have been very frustrating for the LE being quite certain he did it, yet not managing the find he body and absolutely nail it on him. No wonder they were determined to keep searching. What this guy has cost the taxpayer.... :/

The one thing that does surprise me, given that I absolutely do NOT believe MB's account at all, is that there is no sign of the girl inside his vehicle. No blood, no fingerprints, no cadaverine mentioned (I still wonder if cadaver and blood dogs were involved), no sign of a moving child in the car on the CCTV footage that evening. She may have been wearing gloves of course, as the weather was dreary, which might account for no fingerprints. The only thing that I can think of that would account for her not moving around in the vehicle and being seen in cctv footage, and there being no sign of a struggle in the vehicle, is that she was told to lie down as a prank - something like I'll drive you around to your mum at the parents evening and you can surprise her, or if MB's dog was on board and she played with it in the back.
The morning of the 2nd October all of town was surely texting and gossiping about the left hand drive info just released and who they KNEW to be the likely culprit given that description of the vehicle, so why do we see helicopter footage of MB leaving his house to walk his dog whilst smoke rose from his chimney, yet no police intercepted him at that time. Was it coincidence that he was captured on helicopter footage or did the LE suspect him and venture out to Ceinws to look for him. Had they entered his house at that time the evidence from the wood burner stove might have been more conclusive.

Jmo

bbm - The footage clearly shows that they were zooming in on him, and then out again. My guess would be they were looking for him and reported the sighting back to hq, after which they set out to arrest him.

 

[Cherwell]

The one thing that does surprise me, given that I absolutely do NOT believe MB's account at all, is that there is no sign of the girl inside his vehicle. No blood, no fingerprints, no cadaverine mentioned (I still wonder if cadaver and blood dogs were involved), no sign of a moving child in the car on the CCTV footage that evening. She may have been wearing gloves of course, as the weather was dreary, which might account for no fingerprints. The only thing that I can think of that would account for her not moving around in the vehicle and being seen in cctv footage, and there being no sign of a struggle in the vehicle, is that she was told to lie down as a prank - something like I'll drive you around to your mum at the parents evening and you can surprise her, or if MB's dog was on board and she played with it in the back.

No blood or cadaverine because she was alive and unharmed while in the car.

I agree the most likely explanation for her not being seen is that he told her to hide as part of a game or surprise, as you say. If she kept still, he'd have known where there were likely to be traces of her and wiped any fingerprints off later. There were some partial child-sized fingerprints, weren't there?

The morning of the 2nd October all of town was surely texting and gossiping about the left hand drive info just released and who they KNEW to be the likely culprit given that description of the vehicle, so why do we see helicopter footage of MB leaving his house to walk his dog whilst smoke rose from his chimney, yet no police intercepted him at that time. Was it coincidence that he was captured on helicopter footage or did the LE suspect him and venture out to Ceinws to look for him. Had they entered his house at that time the evidence from the wood burner stove might have been more conclusive.

The first thing done would have been to trace his address via the car and DVLC, but of course this led to his previous address, and time was lost there. I don't know how many people knew his current address, but clearly no one gave the police that information early on. They had him in custody within hours, possibly the helicopter sighting helped locate him quicker.

 

[jigzy]

bbm - The footage clearly shows that they were zooming in on him, and then out again. My guess would be they were looking for him and reported the sighting back to hq, after which they set out to arrest him.

Interestingly he does not have the black bag with him that witness CS says she saw him with later that day. Either he returned to the house swiftly after walking the dog once he realised they were onto him, took the black bag with ? inside it and headed out again, maybe disposed of some of the ? and came across CS near the river, or CS is mistaken or being misleading about the black bag. I have always found it far too coincidental that he appeared right in front of her, carrying a black bag, as she searched. Jmo

 

[Clutchbag]

Two of the ridiculous thngs he said were

- he was carrying April while having a wee

- he used the black bag to cover his laptop and stuff in the car and it flew out the window, so why not just get another one, no need to go in the woods and retrieve it!! The next day

 

[Cherwell]

Interestingly he does not have the black bag with him that witness CS says she saw him with later that day. Either he returned to the house swiftly after walking the dog once he realised they were onto him, took the black bag with ? inside it and headed out again, maybe disposed of some of the ? and came across CS near the river, or CS is mistaken or being misleading about the black bag. I have always found it far too coincidental that he appeared right in front of her, carrying a black bag, as she searched. Jmo

Did someone say she was at a bus stop?

I'm not au fait with the timings, but could he have been spotted with the bag before he was seen walking the dog?

 

[jigzy]

Did someone say she was at a bus stop?

I'm not au fait with the timings, but could he have been spotted with the bag before he was seen walking the dog?

http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/...potted-with-bin-bag-april-jones-jury-is-told/

Some info about CS's sighting here that I had not seen.

MB was seen at the bus stop in town after dropping his vehicle off at the garage.

 

[Cherwell]

http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/...potted-with-bin-bag-april-jones-jury-is-told/

Some info about CS's sighting here that I had not seen.

MB was seen at the bus stop in town after dropping his vehicle off at the garage.

Thanks. I think someone speculated here way back that the ladies might have been waiting for a bus at the time, but here it seems that they were in a car and stopped to speak to him. It's not clear to me where this took place, but you probably know.

 

[jigzy]

"When April failed to return home as expected, her parents are understood to have gone looking for her, and her friend told them what had happened.
Mr Jones, 43, and his 40-year-old wife, who married two months ago after many years together, dialled 999 to report their daughter missing, and told police they had their suspicions about who the kidnapper might be. "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...s-as-mood-turns-from-hope-to-desperation.html

So there must have been something about the child witness' account that made C and P name a suspect, presumably MB, either by her naming him or describing a left hand drive vehicle.

Alternatively, was there a motive that they knew about for him taking her, i.e. an altercation that might have resulted in him taking her for spite? (albeit the initial motive might only have been a starting point - once taken his other urges got the better of him).

If the parents DID give MB's name from the outset, then why did it take SO long to find out his address? We know that VF and the schoolteacher both knew his new address, so why did the LE take so long to get this info?

On the other hand, maybe the person who C and P named initially was another person entirely.

Jmo

 

[jigzy]

Thanks. I think someone speculated here way back that the ladies might have been waiting for a bus at the time, but here it seems that they were in a car and stopped to speak to him. It's not clear to me where this took place, but you probably know.

Up until reading this article in the Shropshire Star I thought I DID know, but now I am confused. The spot where MB supposedly appeared on a bank of shale was clear to me when I believed that CS and her friend were on foot taking a walk searching, but that is not how this article reads. ??

When she says "I stopped the car and we spoke..." I think she means she and her friend, not she and MB.

I always thought that the shale sighting of MB was without his vehicle being present at all, and without CS and friend being in a vehicle. Odd one this. Probably a result of variable reporting.

 

[Cherwell]

So there must have been something about the child witness' account that made C and P name a suspect, presumably MB, either by her naming him or describing a left hand drive vehicle.

I'd have thought it might take a little while for the LHD element to become clear, as there might be confusion over what "driver's side" or "driver's door" might mean. But perhaps not.

Alternatively, was there a motive that they knew about for him taking her, i.e. an altercation that might have resulted in him taking her for spite? (albeit the initial motive might only have been a starting point - once taken his other urges got the better of him).

I must admit that was one of my early thoughts.

 

[Perodicticus potto]

I've not seen much about the case in the news, I think the Stuart Hazell case was bigger.

The Stuart Hazell story only really became big after he pleaded guilty. That's when the media could report all the things they weren't allowed to during the trial. Unlike the U.S., the UK puts very tight restrictions on coverage of criminal cases until a perpetrator is convicted. If Bridger is found guilty, we'll see an explosion of news coverage then.

 

[Uchiki Kuri]

...so why do we see helicopter footage of MB leaving his house to walk his dog whilst smoke rose from his chimney, yet no police intercepted him at that time. Was it coincidence that he was captured on helicopter footage or did the LE suspect him and venture out to Ceinws to look for him. Had they entered his house at that time the evidence from the wood burner stove might have been more conclusive.

Jmo

The report that I read (saw?) with this footage said it was a coincidence that he had been captured on film. However, I've just been looking for the report and can't find a single report saying this.


ETA: Just found this: "Footage of him happened to be captured by a police helicopter involved in the search for April."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/01/mark-bridger-april-jones

 

[redfanforever1970]

Interestingly he does not have the black bag with him that witness CS says she saw him with later that day. Either he returned to the house swiftly after walking the dog once he realised they were onto him, took the black bag with ? inside it and headed out again, maybe disposed of some of the ? and came across CS near the river, or CS is mistaken or being misleading about the black bag. I have always found it far too coincidental that he appeared right in front of her, carrying a black bag, as she searched. Jmo

CS sighted him earlier than the helicopter footage which was at 10-43am, she sighted him when he was on his way to the B+B where he worked and he spoke to his boss and the postman, the black bag was in his hand when CS spotted him approx 2 hours previous to the helicopter footage. From the B+B he drove to the garage to drop his car off and then got the bus home and arrived about 20mins before the chopper caught him on camera, hope this helps

 

[Cherwell]

Thank you, redfan, I thought that was probably the order of events. Good to have the timings clarified.

 

[jigzy]

CS sighted him earlier than the helicopter footage which was at 10-43am, she sighted him when he was on his way to the B+B where he worked and he spoke to his boss and the postman, the black bag was in his hand when CS spotted him approx 2 hours previous to the helicopter footage. From the B+B he drove to the garage to drop his car off and then got the bus home and arrived about 20mins before the chopper caught him on camera, hope this helps

Wow! I hadn't realised that CS saw him so early? I had always assumed that she informed the police of his location and suspicious actions and they intercepted him swiftly afterwards. I am shocked that it took so long to track him down/ find out his address in Ceinws.

It seems then that he was scheduled to work at the guest house on the 2nd, went there, but had to make his excuses and head off to the garage to dump the vehicle, returning to fuel the fire that we see in the helicopter footage.

Just imagine how much more evidence could have been found in his house had it been searched sooner. This guy had hours and hours to dispose of evidence. The left hand drive vehicle info had been out from early that morning, everyone on the estate knew MB drove one and surely someone would have named him in relation to this, so how is it that NOBODY gave his new address to police (particularly the residents of CEINWS who would have seen his left hand drive vehicle during the past month), and the police could not find out this crucial piece of information?

 

[Elainera]

Wow! I hadn't realised that CS saw him so early? I had always assumed that she informed the police of his location and suspicious actions and they intercepted him swiftly afterwards. I am shocked that it took so long to track him down/ find out his address in Ceinws.

It seems then that he was scheduled to work at the guest house on the 2nd, went there, but had to make his excuses and head off to the garage to dump the vehicle, returning to fuel the fire that we see in the helicopter footage.

Just imagine how much more evidence could have been found in his house had it been searched sooner. This guy had hours and hours to dispose of evidence. The left hand drive vehicle info had been out from early that morning, everyone on the estate knew MB drove one and surely someone would have named him in relation to this, so how is it that NOBODY gave his new address to police (particularly the residents of CEINWS who would have seen his left hand drive vehicle during the past month), and the police could not find out this crucial piece of information?

bbm - and his ex gf had lived at the cottage with him previously, so she knew exactly where he lives. Why didn't she come forward immediately?

 

[ann-other]

bbm - and his ex gf had lived at the cottage with him previously, so she knew exactly where he lives. Why didn't she come forward immediately?

And she texted him along with EG/D to 'warn' him they were looking for LHD Land Rover?

 

[Cherwell]

While the news of April's disappearance spread very rapidly, I don't think we can assume that everybody knew that MB was being sought. It seems he was seen by various people, including his employers. You'd think they'd call the police, but perhaps they weren't aware at that time that he was a person of interest.

 

[jigzy]

While the news of April's disappearance spread very rapidly, I don't think we can assume that everybody knew that MB was being sought. It seems he was seen by various people, including his employers. You'd think they'd call the police, but perhaps they weren't aware at that time that he was a person of interest.

I think that as soon as the left hand drive info was released, a good number of the residents of the estate would have been mentioning him by name. His children live there and he frequented the estate. A LHD vehicle in this area is quite noticeable and whether all of the residents of the estate knew his name or not, they would surely have been discussing the connection of that vehicle to those on the estate that he visited.