Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #7 *M. Bridger guilty*

[sleuth-d-]

Very early on there was a full description of April's clothes she wore on the day of the abduction circulated in the media. There wasn't any mentioning of gloves, and her mother sure would have known if she was wearing them.
It would have been mentioned for sure, because a glove is very easy to lose and it would have been an important piece of info for the searchers, IMO...

maybe if mb had some gloves, and asked her to put them on... [just trying to make sense of the fact that no forensic evidence of aj could be found in the car].

 

[ann-other]

Just another thought as still not convinced we have heard everything somehow and hope I am not right with this thought. 7 year old out playing with AJ (would love to know exactly if any connection to AJ, family or ex's) To go back to point, the friend was older and as kids are, or told to be, was she made to feel responsible for looking after her younger friend? Did the friend feel responsible for her and if AJ 'suddenly' disappeared but she actually didn't see much, could she, in her own eyes have 'made it seem better' ? Apologies if that doesn't make sense!

 

[sleuth-d-]

Just another thought as still not convinced we have heard everything somehow and hope I am not right with this thought. 7 year old out playing with AJ (would love to know exactly if any connection to AJ, family or ex's) To go back to point, the friend was older and as kids are, or told to be, was she made to feel responsible for looking after her younger friend? Did the friend feel responsible for her and if AJ 'suddenly' disappeared but she actually didn't see much, could she, in her own eyes have 'made it seem better' ? Apologies if that doesn't make sense!

yes, it does make a lot of sense - and would explain her trying to 'over' help the police.

or, from the defence story point angle, it could be possible that they were riding two on a bike... or that if the smaller child fell off her bike and had an accident, and the older child felt responsible for this.

but would a seven year old be able to cover up an event with such serious consequences over a period of seven months?

 

[ann-other]

At the end of the day there is no proof that April was ever in the car, alive or injured but somehow she ended up in MB's house.

 

[Cappuccino]

If he gets a light sentence, I imagine he'll have to be given a new identity upon release, like Maxine Carr or the Bulger killers. Mind you, that won't stop mobs trying to lynch anyone they think might be him (as has happened in those cases).

I think it would be very difficult for him to sustain a new identity. Its different when the person is convicted as a child, their appearance will have changed so much by the time they're released that its easy enough to hide who they are. Even with Maxine Carr, who was an adult, a 21 year old woman can change her appearance in ways a 40ish year old man can't.

He'd really have to leave the country I think, because he'd be recognised everywhere he went.

 

[Clutchbag]

Just another thought as still not convinced we have heard everything somehow and hope I am not right with this thought. 7 year old out playing with AJ (would love to know exactly if any connection to AJ, family or ex's) To go back to point, the friend was older and as kids are, or told to be, was she made to feel responsible for looking after her younger friend? Did the friend feel responsible for her and if AJ 'suddenly' disappeared but she actually didn't see much, could she, in her own eyes have 'made it seem better' ? Apologies if that doesn't make sense!

The childs testimony has been questionable vis a vis sliding doors, April trying the back doors, whatback doors? opening the door and climbing in which was said to be dubious as it was very hard to do so as said by mechanic

I am not sure a seven year old would lie or fabricate anything to cover their own back, but as the defence said, she was unreliable

 

[ann-other]

yes, it does make a lot of sense - and would explain her trying to 'over' help the police.

or, from the defence story point angle, it could be possible that they were riding two on a bike... or that if the smaller child fell off her bike and had an accident, and the older child felt responsible for this.

but would a seven year old be able to cover up an event with such serious consequences over a period of seven months?

No but at that age easy to believe what she saw or thought she saw, especially if influenced by adults. JMO

 

[Clutchbag]

At the end of the day there is no proof that April was ever in the car, alive or injured but somehow she ended up in MB's house.

She got there somehow though, if not in MBs car, how?

 

[Sarahlou]

This is all what he wants you to think. My guess is his memory is crystal clear and he has no brain troubles. He just lies and lies, it's what he's done for years and he hoped he'd maybe get away with lying here too. Nope. Hopefully no juror will fall for it. JMO.

 

[Clutchbag]

No but at that age easy to believe what she saw or thought she saw, especially if influenced by adults. JMO

Adults definitely influence them
But why would any adult influence her to say what she did say???

 

[Sarahlou]

It won't let me edit my last post. But it was in reply to post #1158.

 

[ann-other]

This is all what he wants you to think. My guess is his memory is crystal clear and he has no brain troubles. He just lies and lies, it's what he's done for years and he hoped he'd maybe get away with lying here too. Nope. Hopefully no juror will fall for it. JMO.

Maybe and I agree his memory is crystal clear.

 

[Clutchbag]

This is all what he wants you to think. My guess is his memory is crystal clear and he has no brain troubles. He just lies and lies, it's what he's done for years and he hoped he'd maybe get away with lying here too. Nope. Hopefully no juror will fall for it. JMO.

you cannot have a crystal clear memory when under the influence of obscene amounts of alcohol IMO, and as I posted earlier, his past lies are specific to him and his life and relationships, not known as a liar in general about anything and everything, having said that, however drunk one is IMO you would remember at some stage such an event, that he cant even remember roughly where he went to put her body is a bit odd i agree

 

[Cappuccino]

Adults definitely influence them
But why would any adult influence her to say what she did say???

It wouldn't necessarily have been deliberate. Children can be very easily influenced even by adults who don't mean to lead them. For example, asking the same question more than once can lead the child's answers because they think they must have given the wrong answer the first time, and so change their answer, (even if the first answer was the truth).

 

[Clutchbag]

It wouldn't necessarily have been deliberate. Children can be very easily influenced even by adults who don't mean to lead them. For example, asking the same question more than once can lead the child's answers because they think they must have given the wrong answer the first time, and so change their answer, (even if the first answer was the truth).

That is one reason why they are unreliable

I think the prosecution case was pretty poor myself, I didnt rate their barrister, perhaps they could have picked a better one, Mr Kelly hardly moved his little finger and tore through it

if anyne wants to jail a man for life for murder, they better have a solid case and this was not by any means IMO

 

[jigzy]

The childs testimony has been questionable vis a vis sliding doors, April trying the back doors, whatback doors? opening the door and climbing in which was said to be dubious as it was very hard to do so as said by mechanic

I am not sure a seven year old would lie or fabricate anything to cover their own back, but as the defence said, she was unreliable

A child would be able to clamber up into the vehicle if someone had opened/begun to open the door from the inside. Something enticing inside such as a dog? Or has anyone even considered that there might have been another person in the vehicle too at that time - someone with whom she was more familiar?

 

[Clutchbag]

A child would be able to clamber up into the vehicle if someone had opened/begun to open the door from the inside. Something enticing inside such as a dog? Or has anyone even considered that there might have been another person in the vehicle too at that time - someone with whom she was more familiar?

I thought the testimony was that she opened the door and climbed in, apologies if not


certainly the words attributed * its ok i know them* could point to more than one person but I doubt it, no one saw two people in that car

 

[Cappuccino]

If there was someone with him, why wouldn't MB say so, and blame everything on the other person?

 

[Alyce]

I still cant work out what he was able to say that encouraged AJ to get into his car and leave her beloved bike behind ?

 

[ann-other]

A child would be able to clamber up into the vehicle if someone had opened/begun to open the door from the inside. Something enticing inside such as a dog? Or has anyone even considered that there might have been another person in the vehicle too at that time - someone with whom she was more familiar?

Yes, since the very beginning.