UK - Arthur Labinjo Hughes, 6, killed, dad & friend arrested, June 2020 #2

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  • #321
To be honest with you, I don't think either of them thought that far. They probably thought in their ignorance, that Arthur would start "behaving" if they abused him enough. I don't think we're dealing with the sharpest pencils in the box here. Who knows what they were thinking. The mind boggles. And they were bound to be found out at some stage. With similar abuse cases, the perps have gone on and on and on and only get found out when the child dies. When did they think that enough would be enough?

I agree with this…I think TH thought he would start to ‘behave’. I think also, like someone has said that she probably wanted him adopted out of their lives, but it is impossible to know what they were thinking as it’s so warped and twisted.
 
  • #322
I think ET is a complex character. I am not even an armchair psychologist but having thrown herself from 5 storeys with the clear intention she wanted to kill herself isn’t normal narc behaviour. She hated herself and wanted to destroy herself.
Is it possible, I’m sure someone here will know, she developed a PTSD which ‘rewired’ her psychology and brought in the narc traits? She also had a back history of SA if I’m not mistaken? Or maybe she did ‘kill’ herself off and became a born again version of ET? Having caused herself such harm, she became insensitive to causing harm to others?
She's a victim of childhood SA so her brain would be wired differently. Although 2 friends of mine suffered the most awful SA, friend 1 (from 5 to 16), and has gone on to be a wonderful mother, and is a highly qualified professional. She freely admits that she has to question her thought processes sometimes to make sure she's 'normal'. Friend 2 struggles with relationships, she's a lovely and kind person but frequently self harms and feels she's not worthy of love from anyone. Her mother used to beat her, lock her in her room for days on end and told her she was fat, ugly and worthless. Neither have hurt anyone, apart from themselves (DSH, suicide attempts).
I think to a certain extent psychological traits are influenced by your biological makeup, as well as your childhood experiences - the nature vs nurture debate.
I know through my job a lot of people who have suffered chronic abuse and neglect. The vast majority are normal people, they understand what happened to them was very wrong, and their parents were at fault. They have careers, families and are generally fantastic citizens. Others though, especially narcs can be incredibly challenging. It really is their way or no way, they lack any consideration for anyone else, and expect everyone to do their bidding. Some have been raised fine, others had terrible experiences.
Without reading her file, we'll never know.
 
  • #323
This seems a long delay…
i thought the same thing, ive checked the BM online posts today with their live coverage and i cant find anything since yesterdays messages saying its been adjourned until today (Friday)

i might email them and see if they can advise on a post what the delay is and when its likely to proceed. She (cannot bring myself to say that evil persons name) is literally trying to get away with what she has done by feigning illness in the hope the jury see her as a poor innocent victim in all of this.

I cant stand to look at that heavily filtered evil vicious face of hers, i know from reading that Arthurs biological mother is in prison for killing her boyfriend i just hope she has friends in the jail who will mete out justice for her son to this pathetic excuse of a person. sorry for the rant!
 
  • #324
Law Pages has updated and Emma and Tom are listed today, looks like it may resume.
 
  • #325
@SpursGyal
Where did you find this? Can you post the link please?
 
  • #326
Any updates on trial advancing today? TIA :)
 
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Sometimes there is a delay if the court had another matter it needs to hear that will be quick they sometimes squeeze that in first.
 
  • #329
Sometimes there is a delay if the court had another matter it needs to hear that will be quick they sometimes squeeze that in first.
Yes, think i read the delay in Star Hobson's case was delayed due to another case either yesterday or the day before.
 
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What are the chances the Judge will give the reason for the last few days ?
 
  • #332
I agree with all of this. I don't believe either expected him to die. Although I'm not sure what ET thought would happen if she continued to deny Arthur water, and lace his food with salt. I asked my son (gently), who's the same age as Arthur, although now a year older, what would happen if he ate too much salt. He said he'd get very thirsty, and if he didn't get a drink he'd die. Obviously, a year older now and his thought process has developed since he was 6. But I'd imagine Arthur would have known he was in danger, and would have been aware that something bad would happen to him. Hence his escape plan. Which is just so sad.

Even if he didn’t yet know logically that salt would kill him, his symptoms would have made him feel terrible and probably felt he was close to death. In combination with his dad’s incessant murder threats, he would have known that he was going to die.

This is the bit I can't work out - ET and TH were to a massive extent protected by lockdown. They had to know that Arthur's continued absence from school would have raised concerns eventually. Was their plan to stop all this ill treatment, and for him to return to school as if nothing had happened?

I really don’t think they had a plan at all, they were just acting in the moment. They’re too stupid to make plans.

Arthur's behaviour would certainly have changed, we all know childhood trauma lasts a lifetime, and I hope the school would have picked up on this.

The school seemed to be on the ball. Poor Arthur’s behaviour had already changed, due to his mother suddenly leaving (for prison), and he also apparently witnessed one of his mother’s assaults on the man who she eventually killed. He was apparently already having some behavioural problems, and was fixated on death, and the idea his dad would kill him or leave him, in late 2019.

The salt thing though, did ET believe the death of a child would not have resulted in a massive investigation. Did she honestly think a 6 year old dying suddenly and unexpectedly in the family 'home' wouldn't have involved a post mortem, blood tests etc?

I don’t think they thought the salt was enough to kill him (which I suppose it wasn’t - yet). I assumed the salt was to reduce his need to go to the toilet, given that he was placed in the hallway so that ET could forget about him, I imagine they got angry whenever he needed the toilet.
 
  • #333
She's a victim of childhood SA so her brain would be wired differently. Although 2 friends of mine suffered the most awful SA, friend 1 (from 5 to 16), and has gone on to be a wonderful mother, and is a highly qualified professional. She freely admits that she has to question her thought processes sometimes to make sure she's 'normal'. Friend 2 struggles with relationships, she's a lovely and kind person but frequently self harms and feels she's not worthy of love from anyone. Her mother used to beat her, lock her in her room for days on end and told her she was fat, ugly and worthless. Neither have hurt anyone, apart from themselves (DSH, suicide attempts).
I think to a certain extent psychological traits are influenced by your biological makeup, as well as your childhood experiences - the nature vs nurture debate.
I know through my job a lot of people who have suffered chronic abuse and neglect. The vast majority are normal people, they understand what happened to them was very wrong, and their parents were at fault. They have careers, families and are generally fantastic citizens. Others though, especially narcs can be incredibly challenging. It really is their way or no way, they lack any consideration for anyone else, and expect everyone to do their bidding. Some have been raised fine, others had terrible experiences.
Without reading her file, we'll never know.
Do you have a msm link about her alleged childhood sa?
 
  • #334
@Ironside
It was in her witness testimony, and her step dad confirmed it too
 
  • #335
Even if he didn’t yet know logically that salt would kill him, his symptoms would have made him feel terrible and probably felt he was close to death. In combination with his dad’s incessant murder threats, he would have known that he was going to die.



I really don’t think they had a plan at all, they were just acting in the moment. They’re too stupid to make plans.



The school seemed to be on the ball. Poor Arthur’s behaviour had already changed, due to his mother suddenly leaving (for prison), and he also apparently witnessed one of his mother’s assaults on the man who she eventually killed. He was apparently already having some behavioural problems, and was fixated on death, and the idea his dad would kill him or leave him, in late 2019.



I don’t think they thought the salt was enough to kill him (which I suppose it wasn’t - yet). I assumed the salt was to reduce his need to go to the toilet, given that he was placed in the hallway so that ET could forget about him, I imagine they got angry whenever he needed the toilet.
Hypernatraemia (high sodium levels) would have caused an increase in his need to pee as the body is trying to flush the salt out. Cruelly, they didn't let him use the toilet because they thought it was an excuse for a seat
 
  • #336
A patient of mine had a sodium level of 158, when catheterised over 1 litre was removed from the body within 30 minutes. To reduce the risk of shock we had to 'cap' the catheter so the urine output slowed down. They were on fast IV fluids for hours to reduce the sodium level. They survived.
 
  • #337
It’s also possible that the reason for salt was purely because too much tastes horrible, and she didn’t want him to enjoy his food.
 
  • #338
Update on today's proceedings
Good morning.

Thank you for joining our coverage of the trial again. We are still awaiting confirmation as to whether the proceedings will resume today.

There has not been any evidence presented to the jury since Monday.

Once we have further information we will update you here.
 
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Update on today's proceedings
Good morning.

Thank you for joining our coverage of the trial again. We are still awaiting confirmation as to whether the proceedings will resume today.

There has not been any evidence presented to the jury since Monday.

Once we have further information we will update you here.
 
  • #340
It’s also possible that the reason for salt was purely because too much tastes horrible, and she didn’t want him to enjoy his food.
And then she could tell his dad how naughty he was by not eating his f****** sandwich. Which he'd not said thank you for either.
 
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