Still Missing UK - Bernadette Walker, 17, left parent's car, Peterborough, 21 July 2020 *Arrests* #3

[Homo Habilis]

Good as a holding site untill burial.
Have just informed the police on the webchat took a bit of explaining and the controller was more like interested where i got the information on what his movements where i was like errr it public info now. They said may have someone contact me for more info so prob be bumped up the line see what happens.
I only live 50 mins away from peterborough there a tempration to look meself but will see what the police do.

Awesome. Good on ya.

 

[Tanzanite]

He'd only just killed her. He didn't know that it would be nearly two months before the murder investigation. At this point he is a murderer and he's thinking like a murderer.

This is important and I think it crystalizes my thoughts on several parts of this case. I keep reminding myself of The Moment, how both SaW and ScW acted in the present moment, as it was then. Because of the unusual aspects of the case, and the timeline, BW still missing etc., it's perhaps easier to come up with reasons WHY SaW immediately started changing social media passwords and so on. The lengthy period between incident and investigation changes the perception of their actions somehow.

When you study their actions and movements, as we believe them/know them to be, when BW disappeared, it sheds a cold light, They behave NOTHING like panic-stricken, desperate parents looking for their beloved child/stepchild.

I'm not sure I'm articulating very well - it's been a long day!

 

[CSIAngus]

Apologies, I'm slow on the take as always. Yes, very Freudian choice of words. Surely people would assume their missing child was at a friend's house or at a hostel or refuge? Indoors basically, not roughing it like Bear Grylls out in the Fens.

Yes it does sound like leakage of the truth into lie. When I first read this it seemed to me that it may have meant 'out in the open' fields, as opposed to being sheltered in any other setting.

 

[mspuurfect]

Why would ScW choose a temporary site for a dead body? He needs to get shot of it as soon as possible. He'd only just killed her. He didn't know that it would be nearly two months before the murder investigation. At this point he is a murderer and he's thinking like a murderer. He needs to place as much distance as he can between himself and the body as soon as he can. He couldn't risk going back to a temporary store in case it had been discovered. It's only credible for me that BW's corpse was disposed of within 24 hrs. A period before all but a handful of people even knew the run away lie.

All good points but why would he NOT choose a temporary site if he knew no-one would go there for a while? I know it was summer but he has a certain window surely to move her to a permanent place. That night was the night SaW went with ScW to the lockup, also the night (early moring of 19/7) where he disappeared for hours which was IMO the true disposal. Just looked again the timeline, I don't think these people are stupid, SaW may have taken ScW phone that night to leave a false trail.

Who knows? We are here to offer opions/thoughts/knowlege in the hope of closure and justice, every comment matters as it could lead to something that ends a family and friends nightmare and most of all closure.

 

[CSIAngus]

Apologies, I'm slow on the take as always. Yes, very Freudian choice of words. Surely people would assume their missing child was at a friend's house or at a hostel or refuge? Indoors basically, not roughing it like Bear Grylls out in the Fens.

Yes it does sound like leakage of the truth into lie. When I first read this it seemed to me that it may have meant 'out in the open' fields, as opposed to be sheltered in any other setting.

This is important and I think it crystalizes my thoughts on several parts of this case. I keep reminding myself of The Moment, how both SaW and ScW acted in the present moment, as it was then. Because of the unusual aspects of the case, and the timeline, BW still missing etc., it's perhaps easier to come up with reasons WHY SaW immediately started changing social media passwords and so on. The lengthy period between incident and investigation changes the perception of their actions somehow.

When you study their actions and movements, as we believe them/know them to be, when BW disappeared, it sheds a cold light, They behave NOTHING like panic-stricken, desperate parents looking for their beloved child/stepchild.

I'm not sure I'm articulating very well - it's been a long day!

That is an important point I think. For a family so immersed in social media, they didn't even bother to post a missing person which you would do as soon as she didn't come home late on the 18th. I'm a member of lots of facebook local groups and there are regular requests for 'have you see ? His parents have not seen him since 10am last night' only to get to the end of the comments and he's already been found. They did none of that. Didn't phone round, didn't knock on doors, didn't have her older siblings out checking, didn't enlist friends and family, absolutely nothing until 21st when they asked the Police if they should put something on social media. These are two people who either didn't give a about BW's welfare or didn't want to waste their time. We kind of guess why ScW would be thinking like that but the sacred bond of mother and child appeared to mean nothing to SaW. Having said that, I left home at 17 and never returned unless I wanted something. I was very capable of looking after myself. BW was an introvet and socially awkward, and disappeared with nothing to sustain her, no bag, no money, no clothes and not even her phone. If it had been my daughter the alarm bells would have been ringing by midnight on the 18th.

 

[CSIAngus]

All good points but why would he NOT choose a temporary site if he knew no-one would go there for a while? I know it was summer but he has a certain window surely to move her to a permanent place. That night was the night SaW went with ScW to the lockup, also the night (early moring of 19/7) where he disappeared for hours which was IMO the true disposal. Just looked again the timeline, I don't think these people are stupid, SaW may have taken ScW phone that night to leave a false trail.

Who knows? We are here to offer opions/thoughts/knowlege in the hope of closure and justice, every comment matters as it could lead to something that ends a family and friends nightmare and most of all closure.

I think we agree on the true disposal window. That only leaves the window around midday on the 18th when he switched his phone off. A temporary storage location that would presumably be near where he killed her or the short distance from it. I've speculated that this was at the lock up but it could be anywhere that could be accessed within that time, including the back of the car. Could he have kept her in the boot of the car until disposal? Many a body has been found in the boot. I have also speculated that ScW was in possession of SaW's mobile phone at some key times in order to fabricate messaging and a false trail. It will be fascinating to hear the defence approach to the mobile phone data.

 

[mspuurfect]

Yes it does sound like leakage of the truth into lie. When I first read this it seemed to me that it may have meant 'out in the open' fields, as opposed to be sheltered in any other setting.

That is an important point I think. For a family so immersed in social media, they didn't even bother to post a missing person which you would do as soon as she didn't come home late on the 18th. I'm a member of lots of facebook local groups and there are regular requests for 'have you see ? His parents have not seen him since 10am last night' only to get to the end of the comments and he's already been found. They did none of that. Didn't phone round, didn't knock on doors, didn't have her older siblings out checking, didn't enlist friends and family, absolutely nothing until 21st when they asked the Police if they should put something on social media. These are two people who either didn't give a **** about BW's welfare or didn't want to waste their time. We kind of guess why ScW would be thinking like that but the sacred bond of mother and child appeared to mean nothing to SaW. Having said that, I left home at 17 and never returned unless I wanted something. I was very capable of looking after myself. BW was an introvet and socially awkward, and disappeared with nothing to sustain her, no bag, no money, no clothes and not even her phone. If it had been my daughter the alarm bells would have been ringing by midnight on the 18th.

Agree with all of this, I know teens can be secretive but mostly you know their habits. If they normally come in at a certain time then you panic when they don't turn up. I know B was 17 but the panic signs should have risen when ScW did not bring her home after she had confessed to her about the abuse. But no she SaW plotted to kill her instead

 

[mspuurfect]

I think we agree on the true disposal window. That only leaves the window around midday on the 18th when he switched his phone off. A temporary storage location that would presumably be near where he killed her or the short distance from it. I've speculated that this was at the lock up but it could be anywhere that could be accessed within that time, including the back of the car. Could he have kept her in the boot of the car until disposal? Many a body has been found in the boot. I have also speculated that ScW was in possession of SaW's mobile phone at some key times in order to fabricate messaging and a false trail. It will be fascinating to hear the defence approach to the mobile phone data.

I am awaiting the forensics but as she has still not been found I am thinking outside the box with the hope we can all help. He could have killed her and taken her to the lockup or he could have already had a place in mind he knew he could hide her for a while. B would not have wanted to be in that car alone with him so the initial question is how he managed to find an excuse to stop the car? I don't trust the majority of the phone data as I think they are smarter than what we give credit

 

[Joey100]

Hi first time poster have been flowing this case and noticed that SW was into urban exploring i used to do it and i dont know if the police have checked the ROC bunkers in the area as if scott into urbexing it something he gonna know about not many people know they exist they two person cold war bunkers can be locked and are in farmers fields overgrown no digging involved normally have a bed in them.and all that some are flooded as well.
Here a map of the ones in the area
Cambridgeshire – Subterranea Britannica

He has pictures on his Instagram in an ROC bunker. Hopefully the police will have a look.

 

[Mandalas]

I note she refers to herself as a Padley in this 2015 article. When was the change of name by deed poll?

I tried to find the Go_Fund_Me page, and instead found a justgiving site. Note the preamble “about the fundraiser”:

i am elizabeths mum. I work hard to provide for my family but currently on maternity leave and also a carer to my 3 that have HME. And look after their father who has suffered disabling injuries due to car accident. I also have more children too

This seems to be ScW she’s referring to. As mentioned previously, I feel these “disabling injuries” will come to be mentioned in the trial…

EDIT: As a curious thought, I note this beginning with a lower-case “I” rather than a capital - is this because she opened with two spaces, as was observed in the message to BW’s friend?

I also get the sense from that extract you quoted that this is what defines her.... Her "selfless sacrifice" in life for her children and her "disabled" husband (who can do the splits on roller blades).... It all stinks of self promotion, narcissism and toxic parenting.

I still can't quite figure out the dynamic between them though. I note a comment on one of her social media profiles where she announced their wedding nupitals, and then less than a year later (2019), he had commented on that same post stating that he would still commit to her if she would take him back.... So it seems she left him (which I think sleuthers here had more or less established), but why? And why, as others have also asked here, was he still living in the house, was it purely on the capacity of father to (some of) the children? What prompted SaW to leave ScW in the first place? I think understanding the nature of their relationship dynamic will provide insight into the rationale behind their decisions and movements around BW's disappearance i.e. I think it's not just down to SaW's own lacking as a mother and parent, that's only part of the puzzle.

MOO

 

[Mercsw]

He has pictures on his Instagram in an ROC bunker. Hopefully the police will have a look.

that is near my work (I think they call it maxey but it’s pretty much market deeping now they have expanded the area with new estates!)

that one is super well known and (like the old dairy) is almost cliche for amateur photographers around here. You see it on all their pages.

It may be worth a shout, but remember the first time he disappeared was when she “ran away” and that was for 90 minutes where all he did was roll a and watch her disappear down an alley! It was broad daylight in gunthorpe area. It was also during our emergency lockdown where you couldn’t leave the house or visit other homes, so the stuff we can prove is highly visible and suspicious. Amazed no one reported the grandparents stay and visit…I know it was happening here!

the second time he disappeared was in the middle of the night, when it was heavy rain and complete darkness. Rather him than me opening up bunkers etc. Those places are dangerous during the day.

then there’s the third trip after the police are involved towards kings lynn.

I don’t know the ins and outs but I get the feeling they have been lucky and it takes just one piece to crack this

 

[Pauldavis9412]

He has pictures on his Instagram in an ROC bunker. Hopefully the police will have a look.

Have you got a link to his instagram please

 

[mrazda71]

Did you notice his stepmother was asked about his disability by his barrister? It's bound to be a defence, he couldn't lift with his back.

Nathan's defence tried that for Becky Watts ... didn't work, won't work here either.

 

[MissUnderstood]

I’m wondering if B told her mum about the SA or, did SaW find messages on B’s phone confiding in friends! This explains why B didn’t answer messages after the 15th. Her phone was taken. Maybe the wifi taken away also. Now SaW confronts B about the messages. She can’t convince B to keep it quiet, Things blow up and she is sent to the step grand parents. I think B was going to keep quiet till she could leave, like stated in her journal entry, but SaW found out. If ScW is locked up, SaW loses her free baby sitter while she is off doing what she wants. All moo of course.

 

[Joey100]

Have you got a link to his instagram please

I can't seem to be able to share the link but it is
p_h_o_t_o_g_r_a_p_h_y__s_t_a_x

 

[CSIAngus]

I can't seem to be able to share the link but it is
p_h_o_t_o_g_r_a_p_h_y__s_t_a_x

Link to ScW Instagram

 

[jackal67]

I also get the sense from that extract you quoted that this is what defines her.... Her "selfless sacrifice" in life for her children and her "disabled" husband (who can do the splits on roller blades).... It all stinks of self promotion, narcissism and toxic parenting.

I still can't quite figure out the dynamic between them though. I note a comment on one of her social media profiles where she announced their wedding nupitals, and then less than a year later (2019), he had commented on that same post stating that he would still commit to her if she would take him back.... So it seems she left him (which I think sleuthers here had more or less established), but why? And why, as others have also asked here, was he still living in the house, was it purely on the capacity of father to (some of) the children? What prompted SaW to leave ScW in the first place? I think understanding the nature of their relationship dynamic will provide insight into the rationale behind their decisions and movements around BW's disappearance i.e. I think it's not just down to SaW's own lacking as a mother and parent, that's only part of the puzzle.

MOO

She started seeing the new boyfriend in 2019 not sure of the month though. The boyfriend had been her maths tutor in 2018 so had possibly been involved with him from then but only told ScW about it in 2019 and ended their relationship but continued to share the same house . Could the pregnancy have been the reason to end it with ScW ? Baby born early June so conceived around late September? Assuming the new boyfriend is the father that is. I really can't figure ScW and SaW relationship though. I have speculated before that it suited her to have ScW living there to share the load. Not sure what the new boyfriend was thinking though! Why get involved with a woman with 9 children and a live in partner . He had his own home and assume he was employed what was the attraction for him? I still can't think of any reason for her to cover for ScW and even help him? Why would she ? For me the abuse allegation alone would not be enough reason? Why did she not believe BW ? I can see ScW motive as he was the accused but what was SaW motive?

 

[jackal67]

I am awaiting the forensics but as she has still not been found I am thinking outside the box with the hope we can all help. He could have killed her and taken her to the lockup or he could have already had a place in mind he knew he could hide her for a while. B would not have wanted to be in that car alone with him so the initial question is how he managed to find an excuse to stop the car? I don't trust the majority of the phone data as I think they are smarter than what we give credit

It wasn't smart of SaW to send messages from BWs phone to hers and others from the home address though! Bw wasnt even at home or missing at that point!

 

[CSIAngus]

She started seeing the new boyfriend in 2019 not sure of the month though. The boyfriend had been her maths tutor in 2018 so had possibly been involved with him from then but only told ScW about it in 2019 and ended their relationship but continued to share the same house . Could the pregnancy have been the reason to end it with ScW ? Baby born early June so conceived around late September? Assuming the new boyfriend is the father that is. I really can't figure ScW and SaW relationship though. I have speculated before that it suited her to have ScW living there to share the load. Not sure what the new boyfriend was thinking though! Why get involved with a woman with 9 children and a live in partner . He had his own home and assume he was employed what was the attraction for him? I still can't think of any reason for her to cover for ScW and even help him? Why would she ? For me the abuse allegation alone would not be enough reason? Why did she not believe BW ? I can see ScW motive as he was the accused but what was SaW motive?

And why is the boyfriend still in a relationship with SaW after everything he's heard? Perhaps he's getting on and she's the only woman who's offered to have his baby. Seems very odd. I guess it just shows the extent to which SaW has a hold over both of them.

 

[CSIAngus]

And why is the boyfriend still in a relationship with SaW after everything he's heard? Perhaps he's getting on and she's the only woman who's offered to have his baby. Seems very odd. I guess it just shows the extent to which SaW has a hold over both of them.

Wasn't the boyfriend reported for inappropriate activity with a student (SaW) but was exonerated? Was it ScW who reported him? I can't think of anyone who would report two consenting adults in this situation. As a union rep, I'd be happy to defend that situation rather than any of the other inappropriate scenarios.