Still Missing UK - Bernadette Walker, 17, left parent's car, Peterborough, 21 July 2020 *Arrests* #3

[CSIAngus]

Are all the cameras always operational?

Only the operators would know that. Just read an article by road safety charity Brake. They say that FOI requests revealled that some speed cameras are deliberately turned off. However, that's speed cameras not average speed camera systems or ANPR cameras.

 

[CSIAngus]

Are all the cameras always operational?

Only the operators would know that. Just read an article by road safety charity Brake. They say that FOI requests revealled that some speed cameras are deliberately turned off. However, that's speed cameras not average speed camera systems or ANPR cameras.

They are all down the road! I suspect he’s flipped off early into st nicks and then ended up in cowbit that way. If you go to google aerial view, they are the white overhangs. I think between Peterborough and surtterton you pass four

Surtteton is the A16. I'm wanting to know about average speed cameras on the A15, including the one at Glinton that picked their car up at 1:49am on the 20th.

 

[Homo Habilis]

we have a LOT of McDonald’s in Peterborough! The esso McDonald’s is on the Werrington parkway/bourges boulevard at glinton. It’s odd as it’s essentially the local police canteen!

literally if you go in there early morning on mid afternoon (shift changes) it’s not unusual to see 4 or 5 panda cars and a van

No, really. It really is the local police canteen. It's weird if you don't see them. I was there yesterday and there was a whole bunch of policing units parked up. Looked like a crime scene. ScW must have been aware of this given its proximity to his parent's house and his penchant for McDonalds.

 

[Homo Habilis]

Only the operators would know that. Just read an article by road safety charity Brake. They say that FOI requests revealled that some speed cameras are deliberately turned off. However, that's speed cameras not average speed camera systems or ANPR cameras.

Surtteton is the A16. I'm wanting to know about average speed cameras on the A15, including the one at Glinton that picked their car up at 1:49am on the 20th.

That's weird I'm not aware of any at all on the A15. There are certainly none on the stretch that hugs north peterborough up to the Glinton roundabout, and if memory serves, none between there and Deeping. Can any other locals corroborate? There may well be some within Glinton but I'm pretty sure there are none on the A15 anywhere near Peterborough. We have mercifully few speed cameras around here.

 

[Tortoise]

That's weird I'm not aware of any at all on the A15. There are certainly none on the stretch that hugs north peterborough up to the Glinton roundabout, and if memory serves, none between there and Deeping. Can any other locals corroborate? There may well be some within Glinton but I'm pretty sure there are none on the A15 anywhere near Peterborough. We have mercifully few speed cameras around here.

camera here -

warning sign just before Google Maps

and the actual camera - Google Maps

so that would be approaching the roundabout going southbound on the A15/Esso/McDs/Werrington Parkway

 

[Homo Habilis]

So there is one and a half hours from Bee's last message in Cowbit area, with Scott's and Sarah's phones disconnected, until they are back home. 20 minutes into that time they are still on the road, the A15 at Glinton, leaving 1 hour and 10 minutes available. It's 10 minutes to home from Glinton so if we subtract that they had one hour available from Glinton, and that time would include disposal and travelling to and from.

It's not long enough to dig. I don't get a feeling this was a water disposal, since Scott was away for over 2 hours the previous morning and so I think that's when he prepared a burial spot, there's nothing that needs preparing in water. Also I think the words "not out in the open" used by Sarah seem to me to be leakage and has connotations of being well buried.

So my estimate is 20 minutes further afield from Glinton, on roads with no ANPR or speed cameras, 20 minutes for the burial ceremony for her first princess and making sure she is well covered over and they've left no trace, and 30 minutes to home (20 mins plus the 10 minute distance they were already away at Glinton). Then Sarah is dropped off at Century Sq., while Scott gets rid of evidence used to hide her body before she was buried, perhaps also cleaning his car, putting his phone back on at home an hour after Sarah.

Yeah, I absolutely think Cowbit was a decoy, just to make it look like she was out there to fit in with their trafficking narrative. I'm guessing the search teams were in the ball park out Newborough way. I wouldn't be surprised if she was even closer to home.

 

[Homo Habilis]

camera here -

warning sign just before Google Maps

and the actual cameras - Google Maps

so that would be approaching the roundabout A15/Esso/McDs/Werrington Parkway

Well there you go. Never noticed that before.

 

[Rednaxela]

Opening up a recently filled grave would make an excellent diposal site as long as you could tidy it up well in the pitch dark. But it's quite near houses and I don't think their sentiment for BW extended to consecrated disposal. But it is interesting that Deeping St Nicholas is on the A1175 and potentially on their route to/from the Apple Garage. He will have a mental map of the area which could be useful in the dark.

But maybe not Deeping St Nics...
I was alluding to something similar in my post on Thursday about the church and sizeable graveyard at the junction of Fane and Fulbridge Roads, where the 3am photo was taken.
Still Missing - UK - Bernadette Walker, 17, left parent's car, Peterborough, 21 July 2020 *Arrests* #3

 

[Mercsw]

Only the operators would know that. Just read an article by road safety charity Brake. They say that FOI requests revealled that some speed cameras are deliberately turned off. However, that's speed cameras not average speed camera systems or ANPR cameras.

Surtteton is the A16. I'm wanting to know about average speed cameras on the A15, including the one at Glinton that picked their car up at 1:49am on the 20th.

sorry I did mean that one but got the wrong end location. The road is the Spalding bypass, or it’s meant to be but due to a nice dose of 1990s corruption it doesn’t do a very good job! My sister lives in donnington and uses it to work in Werrington. When I go the other way I avoid it as there’s at least 4 average speed cameras on that route. The fact he’s only triggered one means he’s turned off quite early. I suspect st nicks (I think he’s got links there if I remember) and then gone to cowbit the old way (which I swear by)

 

[CSIAngus]

Are all the cameras always operational?

Only the operators would know that. Just read an article by road safety charity Brake. They say that FOI requests revealled that some speed cameras are deliberately turned off. However, that's speed cameras not average speed camera systems or ANPR cameras.

They are all down the road! I suspect he’s flipped off early into st nicks and then ended up in cowbit that way. If you go to google aerial view, they are the white overhangs. I think between Peterborough and surtterton you pass four

Surtteton is the A16. I'm wanting to know about average speed cameras on the A15, including the one at Glinton that picked their car up at 1:49am on the 20th. They don't show on streetview so must post date that photography (2017).

camera here -

warning sign just before Google Maps

and the actual camera - Google Maps

so that would be approaching the roundabout going southbound on the A15/Esso/McDs/Werrington Parkway

That looks more like an Automated Number Plate Recognition camera. Speed cameras, whether standard or average speed, are normally yellow even when fixed to grey columns. There were 21 ANPR cameras installed around Peterborough about a decade ago. Article here

 

[Mercsw]

That's weird I'm not aware of any at all on the A15. There are certainly none on the stretch that hugs north peterborough up to the Glinton roundabout, and if memory serves, none between there and Deeping. Can any other locals corroborate? There may well be some within Glinton but I'm pretty sure there are none on the A15 anywhere near Peterborough. We have mercifully few speed cameras around here.

You must be a safe driver as they catch everyone out. There’s the little white overhang bridges that have the cameras. Then a mile or so down the road there’s the next one.

If I remember there’s one quite early on that road near the arch bridge at eye, then there’s a follow up at crowland and I think a final set near the gypsy site in Spalding.

if he’s only triggered one, he’s not stayed on that road for long, which is also a bit weird as surely it would make more sense to not join in the first place but to go Spalding road via the deepings at glinton.

Without knowing his exact plan, it doesn’t make sense to drive to eye and then to cowbit via the deepings, when you can go more direct at glinton by heading entirely the other direction

 

[Mercsw]

Only the operators would know that. Just read an article by road safety charity Brake. They say that FOI requests revealled that some speed cameras are deliberately turned off. However, that's speed cameras not average speed camera systems or ANPR cameras.

Surtteton is the A16. I'm wanting to know about average speed cameras on the A15, including the one at Glinton that picked their car up at 1:49am on the 20th. They don't show on streetview so must post date that photography (2017).
That looks more like an Automated Number Plate Recognition camera. Speed cameras, whether standard or average speed, are normally yellow even when fixed to grey columns. There were 21 ANPR cameras installed around Peterborough about a decade ago. Article here

the yellow gatso cameras are rare here and the ones we do have are rarely turned on. Those are the white bridge average speed cameras. They are all down the a15

 

[CSIAngus]

You must be a safe driver as they catch everyone out. There’s the little white overhang bridges that have the cameras. Then a mile or so down the road there’s the next one.

If I remember there’s one quite early on that road near the arch bridge at eye, then there’s a follow up at crowland and I think a final set near the gypsy site in Spalding.

if he’s only triggered one, he’s not stayed on that road for long, which is also a bit weird as surely it would make more sense to not join in the first place but to go Spalding road via the deepings at glinton.

Without knowing his exact plan, it doesn’t make sense to drive to eye and then to cowbit via the deepings, when you can go more direct at glinton by heading entirely the other direction

From the prosecution evidence thus far though, they went up the A16 to the Apple Garage then the next sighting was on the A15 at Glinton. Whether in a straight line or with deviations, they appear to be travelling in an anticlockwise loop north of Peterborough in that part of the night.

 

[Rednaxela]

On a totally different track…

Do we know anything about whether BW had any contact or relationship with her bio father, or any relations on that side? Might he have been a confidant for BW? Do we know who he is, and might he yet have a part to play?

I believe we established that BW referred to ScW as “Dad”, did we not?

 

[Tortoise]

That looks more like an Automated Number Plate Recognition camera. Speed cameras, whether standard or average speed, are normally yellow even when fixed to grey columns. There were 21 ANPR cameras installed around Peterborough about a decade ago. Article here

I was just having a look back at the reporting -


Trial, Tues 15th June -

Ms Wilding, continuing to open the case to the jury this morning (June 15), said ANPR technology tracked Scott Walker’s Mercedes as it travelled along the A16 and A1175 towards Cowbit - but a record showed the car had not travelled along that road since October 2019.

Ms Wilding said: “At 12.27am Scott and Sarah Walker are placed at the lock up garage.

“In the hours that followed both parents travelled to a remote area of Cambridgeshire near Cowbit, on the A16 near Spalding and the A1175 near Market Deeping.

“Police enquiries of records of the areas show that from October 2019 until that date, Scott Walker’s silver Mercedes never travelled on these roads to Cowbit,

The car was seen at the Apple Green Service Station on the A1175 at 1.17am, leaving at 1.19am, with messages still being sent from Bernadette’s phone.

Bernadette Walker murder trial: Teenager’s parents made midnight trip to Cowbit day after Bernadette was last seen alive, jury told


Trial, Fri 18th June -


In the early hours of July 20, phone data was able to place Scott Walker, Sarah Walker and Bernadette’s phones in the Cowbit area - but for an hour and 20 minutes, all the phones were turned off, and there were no camera sightings of Scott Walker’s car. Earlier in the week, when opening the case, Lisa Wilding QC, prosecuting, said this time was an opportunity to dispose of Bernadette’s body.

An average speed camera picked up Scott Walker’s silver Mercedes travelling on the A16 northbound away from Peterborough at 12.37am.

The phones connected to a cell site known as ‘Crowland Water Tower’ at 12.42am.

Bernadette’s phone was connected to the network at 12.54, with it connected to a number of cell sites in the Cowbit area in the next 35 minutes.

The next sighting of Scott Walker’s car was on the A15 at Glinton at 1.49am.

Bernadette Walker Murder Trial: Hour and twenty minutes of ‘unexplained activity’ as Scott and Sarah Walker travelled to Cowbit in the middle of the night after teenager went missing


It's confusing because both ANPR and Average Speed Cameras are stated, but I think it could be:

12:37am Average Speed Camera A16 northbound to cowbit
12:42 phones at crowland water tower
12:54 to 1:29 B's phone cowbit area
1:17am A1175 Applegreen services
1:49 (ANPR?) A15 Glinton

 

[CSIAngus]

I've followed the A15 on google streetview, which is dated 2017, and cannot see any average speed cameras. So they were either installed after then or the prosecution are mistaken an it's the ANPR camera cited above (there is only one so it cannot be an average speed camera), that is the one directly south of Glinton and west of the McDonalds, that recorded the sighting at 1.49am on the morning of the 20th.

 

[CSIAngus]

I was just having a look back at the reporting -


Trial, Tues 15th June -

Ms Wilding, continuing to open the case to the jury this morning (June 15), said ANPR technology tracked Scott Walker’s Mercedes as it travelled along the A16 and A1175 towards Cowbit - but a record showed the car had not travelled along that road since October 2019.

Ms Wilding said: “At 12.27am Scott and Sarah Walker are placed at the lock up garage.

“In the hours that followed both parents travelled to a remote area of Cambridgeshire near Cowbit, on the A16 near Spalding and the A1175 near Market Deeping.

“Police enquiries of records of the areas show that from October 2019 until that date, Scott Walker’s silver Mercedes never travelled on these roads to Cowbit,

The car was seen at the Apple Green Service Station on the A1175 at 1.17am, leaving at 1.19am, with messages still being sent from Bernadette’s phone.

Bernadette Walker murder trial: Teenager’s parents made midnight trip to Cowbit day after Bernadette was last seen alive, jury told


Trial, Fri 18th June -


In the early hours of July 20, phone data was able to place Scott Walker, Sarah Walker and Bernadette’s phones in the Cowbit area - but for an hour and 20 minutes, all the phones were turned off, and there were no camera sightings of Scott Walker’s car. Earlier in the week, when opening the case, Lisa Wilding QC, prosecuting, said this time was an opportunity to dispose of Bernadette’s body.

An average speed camera picked up Scott Walker’s silver Mercedes travelling on the A16 northbound away from Peterborough at 12.37am.

The phones connected to a cell site known as ‘Crowland Water Tower’ at 12.42am.

Bernadette’s phone was connected to the network at 12.54, with it connected to a number of cell sites in the Cowbit area in the next 35 minutes.

The next sighting of Scott Walker’s car was on the A15 at Glinton at 1.49am.

Bernadette Walker Murder Trial: Hour and twenty minutes of ‘unexplained activity’ as Scott and Sarah Walker travelled to Cowbit in the middle of the night after teenager went missing


It's confusing because both ANPR and Average Speed Cameras are stated, but I think it could be:

12:37am Average Speed Camera A16 northbound to cowbit
12:42 phones at crowland water tower
12:54 to 1:29 B's phone cowbit area
1:17am A1175 Applegreen services
1:49 (ANPR?) A15 Glinton

That's my understanding too. They stopped for 5 minutes midway between Applegreen and Glinton, which still left 25 minutes for a journey that could take half that so I suspect they travelled off the main road for part of that.

 

[Tortoise]

I think the route they took may have been

A16 northbound from Peterborough,
caught on the average speed camera just after the roundabout with Peterborough Rd and James Rd Google Maps
not on the next average speed camera just after the junction with B1040 so he had turned off to crowland on the B1040
through crowland,
then B1166 past crowland water tower, (phones connected to cell site there)
then Common Drove,
right onto Renew’s Drove,
left onto New Rd which ends at A1175 Deeping St Nicholas,
right onto the A1175 to Applegreen Services at Spalding, (seen at services)

then another journey back on the A1175 through Deeping St Nicholas, through Market Deeping, joining the A15 to Glinton.

And all that was a decoy for Bee's phone. Bee was disposed of in the hour and a half after Glinton.

 

[Mrsengland]

I've followed the A15 on google streetview, which is dated 2017, and cannot see any average speed cameras. So they were either installed after then or the prosecution are mistaken an it's the ANPR camera cited above (there is only one so it cannot be an average speed camera), that is the one directly south of Glinton and west of the McDonalds, that recorded the sighting at 1.49am on the morning of the 20th.

There aren’t any average speed cameras down there . I live here . It’s ANPR .

 

[Tortoise]

I'm amazed that Applegreen Services and Spar and a CCTV camera near the lockup (etc.) hadn't written over their CCTV by the time police investigated the parents in September and after.