Still Missing UK - Bernadette Walker, 17, left parent's car, Peterborough, 21 July 2020 *Arrests* #4

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RSBM

Have I missed an update where this pub car park was definitively identified as a stopping place for car AND phone?

To my certain knowledge, back in 2008 phones could be positioned to within 3m with later updates intended to give 1m resolution, so it would be possible to state precisely where the phone was last pinged.

And why leave the car when all you need do is leave the phone?

As I say, if I've missed this update, apologies!
The phone remained in the vacinity of Uldale Way in the early hours of the 19th. It has been speculated by some on this thread, including me, that the Harrier car park or adjacent Spar car park, would fit with this desciption, but it could equally be in the street. I can't recall what ScW said about this when asked what he was doing, other than reading about horse racing and sleeping. The family all seem to use expensive iphones. I bought a reconditioned old iphone version 5 or 6 for my youngest who does TikTok and that was £95. Why leave your iphone in the bushes when you can leave it safely locked inside your car? This is why I speculate that he was on foot. How far could he travel on foot and bury a body in the dark and rain in 2hours and 17 minutes setting off and returning to near Uldale Way?
 
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The phone remained in the vacinity of Uldale Way in the early hours of the 19th. It has been speculated by some on this thread, including me, that the Harrier car park or adjacent Spar car park, would fit with this desciption, but it could equally be in the street. I can't recall what ScW said about this when asked what he was doing, other than reading about horse racing and sleeping. The family all seem to use expensive iphones. I bought a reconditioned old iphone version 5 or 6 for my youngest who does TikTok and that was £95. Why leave your iphone in the bushes when you can leave it safely locked inside your car? This is why I speculate that he was on foot. How far could he travel on foot and bury a body in the dark and rain in 2hours and 17 minutes setting off and returning to near Uldale Way?

Timings are everything really. You'd think shops with car parks are likely to have CCTV, but CCTV is probably only backed up for a little while, you'd think it would have picked him up but how likely would this of been checked before arrest?
 
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You say that as though it's as easy as pie to do with 9 kids including some with disabilities and a newborn baby.

I'm not saying that how it panned out was in any way normal or the right thing to do but your idea of what you would do in her situation isn't based on lived experience ...
I really don't understand what you mean? How difficult is it to support your daughter ? She managed to find the time to get herself a new boyfriend, compose all those fake messages, change passwords on Bees phone ,go off on late night drives, lie to police etc etc. Was all that as easy as pie? Poor Bee even had to tell her about the abuse over text messages as her Mother was staying at the boyfriends house!! Most peoples lived experience would not involve covering up their daughters Murder!! However many children they had.
 
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The Police searched Julie Hogg's house a number of times only for her body to be found under the bath three months later. Did they search the woods between Car Dyke and the A15? They thought this area may be significant back in October when the vegetation had grown. If I were searching now, revisiting this area would be top of my list.

it’s flooded now due to that storm last Friday. I think that may be the main area the more this drags on, but we know both times he headed out to the fens (the Saturday morning and Sunday night).
 
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They were searching a lot around Gunthorpe and Werrington. I’m not sure how you’re saying they haven’t searched anywhere really, I know lots of people who had them in different areas who have seen them too.

When you say sidings what sidings are you referring to, I have a friend who works on the railway and I’ve asked him and he said around Peterborough there is a few sidings that can’t be accessed by the public.

I have to disagree on the searches. They have done some but compared to other missing person cases, this is shamefully bad. Admittedly it’s a large area but they have made very few efforts in my opinion. I would like to think if my lad went missing, I got more than this
 
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it’s flooded now due to that storm last Friday. I think that may be the main area the more this drags on, but we know both times he headed out to the fens (the Saturday morning and Sunday night).
How do we know he headed out to the Fens during either of those times?
 
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I really don't understand what you mean? How difficult is it to support your daughter ? She managed to find the time to get herself a new boyfriend, compose all those fake messages, change passwords on Bees phone ,go off on late night drives, lie to police etc etc. Was all that as easy as pie? Poor Bee even had to tell her about the abuse over text messages as her Mother was staying at the boyfriends house!! Most peoples lived experience would not involve covering up their daughters Murder!! However many children they had.

You said 'she should have' done xyz - yes obviously she 'could' have but she didn't and just because you think you would do xyz doesn't mean everyone else is able to.

RBBM For me? Not difficult at all.
For you? I've no idea just as you have no idea what was going through Sarah's mind at the time.

Potentially lack of sleep and postpartum may have clouded her judgment.

I'd be very surprised if that wasn't used in mitigation by her defense and I fully expected her to take the stand and plead this herself for the charges she's already admitted guilt for.
 
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The phone remained in the vacinity of Uldale Way in the early hours of the 19th. It has been speculated by some on this thread, including me, that the Harrier car park or adjacent Spar car park, would fit with this desciption, but it could equally be in the street. I can't recall what ScW said about this when asked what he was doing, other than reading about horse racing and sleeping. The family all seem to use expensive iphones. I bought a reconditioned old iphone version 5 or 6 for my youngest who does TikTok and that was £95. Why leave your iphone in the bushes when you can leave it safely locked inside your car? This is why I speculate that he was on foot. How far could he travel on foot and bury a body in the dark and rain in 2hours and 17 minutes setting off and returning to near Uldale Way?

...because then he would have full mobility to go where he needed/wanted - it would have hugely expanded his options for that 2h17m. It depends if his primary drivers were with disposing of BW or the safety of his iPhone, but the fact the phone never moved, imo, suggests he was fully aware of iPhone tracking and, being driven by the need to dispose of BW, made sure he wasn't tracked. Why limit your options by having to walk? Worse still, carry 'disposal equipment' as well. JMO
 
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How do we know he headed out to the Fens during either of those times?
Didn't this come out during one of the court sessions? I can remember saying "well, that's new evidence" - can't remember when it was though :confused:
 
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But why would she lose any of her children? She should have stuck by Bee sent ScW to stay with his parents not Bee. Supported her with her complaint to the police like any Caring decent Mother would have done. With ScW out of the house out of the family home there would be no reason to remove any of the children.

Here is the problem....SaW probably didn't want ScW to leave the house, or that's what would have happened. Who would help her look after all the kids? Not all mother's have that same basic instinct to protect their children and put them first sadly :( MOO
 
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...because then he would have full mobility to go where he needed/wanted - it would have hugely expanded his options for that 2h17m. It depends if his primary drivers were with disposing of BW or the safety of his iPhone, but the fact the phone never moved, imo, suggests he was fully aware of iPhone tracking and, being driven by the need to dispose of BW, made sure he wasn't tracked. Why limit your options by having to walk? Worse still, carry 'disposal equipment' as well. JMO
Just because he was able to drive anywhere in an hours radius of the town doesn't mean that he did. Phone off and on in Gunthorpe Saturday lunchtime when BW disappears; phone doesn't move from Gunthorpe in the early hours of Sunday morning. Gunthorpe is standing out to me. He himself said that he stayed in the car reading and sleeping in the early hours of Sunday morning which I take as his explanation for why his car might be seen there for the whole time. It was dark and raining - if anyone actually saw anybody out walking in those conditions would they notice a spade under their raincoat? He doesn't need more than that.
 
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When you say sidings what sidings are you referring to, I have a friend who works on the railway and I’ve asked him and he said around Peterborough there is a few sidings that can’t be accessed by the public.[/QUOTE]

By sidings I mean the areas next to railway lines, and am particularly thinking of maybe the areas where it's possible to cross over by car or on foot, or maybe the area below a railway bridge or similar. I suppose it depends also what areas of track have had maintenance over the last year, would like to think workers would spot anything unusual.

(I think my quoting of your post went slightly wrong Resident71, apologies I'm still getting used to how this site works)
 
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The Police searched Julie Hogg's house a number of times only for her body to be found under the bath three months later. Did they search the woods between Car Dyke and the A15? They thought this area may be significant back in October when the vegetation had grown. If I were searching now, revisiting this area would be top of my list.
Did they search Julie Hogg's house with cadaver dogs?

These officers working cadaver dogs are standing just yards away from the gates next to the fields / bridge over Car Dyke.

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Specialist dive teams search water-filled ditches in teen murder inquiry

I think vegetation would be dying back in October, and probably maintained year round if it is a field used for keeping horses.

For police to search the area I'm sure it was intelligence led, with the known cell site/GPS data of his 410 steps, and they wouldn't have done a half-hearted job, skirting around the woods. They would have been paying attention to areas that presented an opportunity to kill without being seen and then hide her body temporarily or permanently.

I think it's a good suggestion, a spot that ticks a lot of boxes, but if he killed her there I think we need to find explanations for the other facts to see where they fit in -

1. his phone was off for 1.5 hours before he phoned Sarah. why would he need 1.5 hours if he left her there? it's a long time for someone to get suspicious and notice an empty car parked up where it shouldn't be.

2. Sarah told police he told her his phone was dead and dropped into the footwell of the car. We need to ask what does the phone dropping into the footwell of the car have to do with anything? He can just pick it up again, but not if he's driving during the time the phone was off.

3. he admitted driving out to the Fens. (per @helenvic - "The jurors and ScW were shown onscreen maps of the route ScW was driving according to available phone data timings. He had to admit that this showed that he drove to the Fens. The prosecutor said, “Do you understand, Mr. Walker, that you have never said this before?”)

4. after the call to Sarah finished it took him 20 minutes to drive to McDonalds. Where was he in Gunthorpe when he made the call and what was he doing there? If he was driving from the beginning of the phone call it took him 29 minutes to get to McDonalds.

5. He returned to the lock-up for 10 minutes.

6. Around 11pm both parents went to the lock-up for 20 minutes.

7. 19th - at 2:47am Scott returned to the lock-up for 13 minutes, 172 steps.

8. 8 minutes after being at the junction of Fane Rd/Fulbridge Rd he'd parked and walked 8 steps. His phone didn't move for 2.5 hours. Why would he walk across the A15 with a spade in hand when he could just as easily have left his phone in the lock-up for safety and then driven to his destination, without looking suspiciously like he was out digging a hole at night? The phone is most likely being used as a decoy, the 8 steps was to put it somewhere, and he's driven away.

9. He returned to the lock-up for 23 minutes.

10. 20th - Both parents at the lock-up for 5 minutes before their trip to Cowbit leading to Glinton, followed by 1 hour 20 mins of unexplained activity - and it's most likely this night he's referring to driving out on the A47 with both their phones disconnected. Why did Sarah feign being asleep if there was nothing incriminating done in that time?
 
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Just because he was able to drive anywhere in an hours radius of the town doesn't mean that he did. Phone off and on in Gunthorpe Saturday lunchtime when BW disappears; phone doesn't move from Gunthorpe in the early hours of Sunday morning. Gunthorpe is standing out to me. He himself said that he stayed in the car reading and sleeping in the early hours of Sunday morning which I take as his explanation for why his car might be seen there for the whole time. It was dark and raining - if anyone actually saw anybody out walking in those conditions would they notice a spade under their raincoat? He doesn't need more than that.

So how would that fit in with the Prosecution asserting BW died in the Fens on Saturday? Where would her body have been kept to allow ScW to walk from the PH car park to finally dispose of her body? You might say he'd have had to bring her back in his car and drop her off at some known-to-him and convenient, and obviously very safe, location within no more than an hours walking distance, since carrying a body for that distance, if he had kept the body, in the car even in the dead of night, is more than a little bit risky.
 
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Here is the problem....SaW probably didn't want ScW to leave the house, or that's what would have happened. Who would help her look after all the kids? Not all mother's have that same basic instinct to protect their children and put them first sadly :( MOO
Yes I agree with you entirely. But she had said she didn't want SS involved for fear of losing her kids? obviously that was lie then and her fear of SS was losing ScW? MOO
 
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Details: Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 09:59
Trial (Part Heard) - Prosecution Closing Speech - 10:43
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 11:55 - 11:27
Trial (Part Heard) - Prosecution Closing Speech - 11:57
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 14:05 - 13:01
Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 14:00
Trial (Part Heard) - Prosecution Closing Speech - 14:07
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 10:00 - 14:51

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Prosecution Closing Speech - in total 152 minutes - 2.5 hours
 
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