UK UK - Canonbie, Scotland, WhtMale, 40-60, bald, w/ Italian newspaper, Dec'10

[Tulessa]

http://old.dentistry.co.uk/news/news_print.php?id=4040

WTH! They say this

Dumfries and Galloway Constabulary have now released further photographs of the clothing worn by the male and are appealing for any witnesses who have seen this male or can identify his clothing or facial image to contact them on 0845 600 5701 or any police officer.

But didn't show the new pics. This is so frustrating. :banghead:

 

[Tulessa]

I think the time of death would be accurate enough - police confirmed he stayed in a B&B nearby which narrowed down dates. Plus had he been there since July I think his clothes would have been pretty messed up. I found an archived link where you view the pictures of his clothes and they look ok. The winter of 2010 was freezing so he was probably more preserved than most bodies found.

http://www.webarchive.org.uk/waybac...y.police.uk/news/highProfile/canonbieBody.htm


Police statement -

Dumfries and Galloway Constabulary have launched a poster appeal to help identify a body that was discovered in Canonbie in 2010. World wide investigations have yet to reveal the identification of the male and officers hope that the additional information in the poster will bring a breakthrough in the enquiry.

The body of the male was discovered on 20 December 2010 at Burnside Plantation, Canonbie, Dumfries and Galloway. The male is described as being:

40 - 60 years, White Male
Between (5’8” to 5’9”) or (172.72cm to 175.26cm) in height,
bald head (areas of short hair visible),
He would appear normally to be clean shaven however there is grey stubble visible on the face
There appears to a small scar to the area of his lower right abdomen
He has six teeth missing. There is evidence that his upper left first premolar socket has not fully healed which indicates that he had this tooth extracted possibly within the last 6 months
He was wearing an olive green safari type hat, brown tanned coloured cord style jacket (till receipts from a shop premises in London which were dated 1991 have been recovered from the pockets of this item of clothing), black trousers, light coloured gloves and grey ankle boots (UK size between 6 – 8)
Recovered near to the body of the deceased was a La Repubblica newspaper dated 22 July 2010, this is a daily Italian newspaper.

It has been established that the male may have been within Burnside Plantation since late November 2010.

Enquiries have now been undertaken Locally, Regionally, Nationally and Internationally, however the male still remains unidentified.

Dumfries and Galloway Constabulary have now released further photographs of the clothing worn by the male and are appealing for any witnesses who have seen this male or can identify his clothing or facial image to contact them on 0845 600 5701 or any police officer.

Information can also be left anonymously with Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

Phew, thank you!

 

[Tulessa]

I like your thinking outside the box but he was found nearly five years ago which was before the migrant crisis/egyptian crisis/civil war in Libya began.

I think if this guy had the olive skin of northern africans he wouldn't be classed by police as a white european.

It may just be me, but he does look olive skinned. Anyone else?

 

[dotr]

http://www.webarchive.org.uk/waybac...highProfile/canonbieBody/fullscreen/FShat.jpg

 

[Tulessa]

Gloves date back to ancient societies. They have been found in the tombs of Royalty and Bishops, and are also pictured in early manuscripts dating back to the 10th century. Kybalova, et al (1968), state that sack shaped coverings without fingers dating back to the 21st Dynasty were found in the Egyptian Pyramids (p. 470-471).

http://www.fashionintime.org/history-gloves-significance/

 

[hayaletcatcher]

It's worth bearing in mind that 2% of Scotland's population is of Italian descent; there has been a strong connection since the 1800's, when Italians would go over there to work for the winter. Many of them permanently emigrated, and established communities. It's not so random to find an Italian in rural Scotland.

I agree that the jacket could have been a charity shop job. It is bizarre that receipts could have stayed readable in the pockets for 19 years. Was the jacket not washed in all that time? How do they know the receipts relate to the jacket?

I work in a charity shop and as said above some people check pockets, some don't. Old ink printed receipts last a long time in a dark pocket, especially if its rarely worn, kept in a wardrobe. We often get men's jackets like this when some one finally clears out, or dies, and often find receipts from the 70s in better condition than any in my purse right now.

As for the newspaper, it must means something? Was it a complete paper, I might of missed that. Because as with receipts, we often get items wrapped in paper, that might of been wrapped in the last big move or something and sat in the attic ever since, I often get to read copies of British Newspapers from before I was born , (OT but I love the ads for things like VCRs in the sale for £999 haha) anyway we then reuse that paper to stuff bags for display, wrap breakable sales in or even stuff out a sleeve/hat/glove... etc on displays.

Just some random wondering. I wonder if the paper is online some where hmmm.

Edited to add I just saw its a Italian paper so less likely to be from random shop. It must of meant something to him.

 

[Romulus]

Interesting case; in the database of italian missing of italian television program Chi l'ha visto? found this two profile


Francesco Conza
http://www.chilhavisto.rai.it/dl/clv/Scomparsi/ContentSet-1f092e31-bb93-4b1a-8c20-d1921e02e90f.html

After the intervention of " Chi l'ha visto ? " Francesco Conza came home from London . But then it went off again and almost two years his mother has lost contact . With concern the woman said : " He was about 8-9 months at home . Then , on Feb. 29, 2000 is broken down from Naples to London , where he had a girlfriend Croatian . From a couple of months later I no longer had news . This worries me , because it had already been found in a daze . in his phone calls was very sad , said nothing to me and crying . no one has ever been able to say anything. " In particular, the mother of Francesco Conza expects news from the people who knew the young man in London or by the local police , at which it was presented missing persons report.

Giovanni Esposito
http://www.chilhavisto.rai.it/dl/clv/Scomparsi/ContentSet-befb074d-086e-418f-abee-3656fd7cee1d.html

In the 1995 Giovanni Esposito you/he/she has emigrated to London. Also his wife and his/her children, in a first time, you/they had followed him/it. Then they have returned to Naples and the man you/he/she has remained only in the British capital. Its last news goes up again to the'97. From a check effected from the Italian embassy in Great Britain, results that the man doesn't live to his/her old address anymore to the outskirts in London, and you/he/she doesn't even result that has taken another house with the help of the public assistance. The mother of Giovanni Esposito has turned a grieved appeal to his/her/their child, in the hope to be able to have his/her news as soon as possible: "Giovanni, make tonight me a phone call, tomorrow. Say soon me that arrivals, that bushels well, that bushels working and that I must not worry me. His/her mother wants to feel these things from a child. I don't want anything, I don't need nothing. I want only to know that he is well and that he/she thinks about me, to his/her family and his/her children."

 

[dotr]

Bumping, reminded of the mysterious, unidentified man, found deceased in Manchester.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...peak-Indians-Head-Manchester-white-male-70ish
UK - Pennines peak, 'Indians Head' Manchester, white male 70ish

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I've been looking for free access archives for La Repubblica but there are only subscription ones as far as I can see. My Italian is rusty but should still be good enough to scan a paper and identify items that might be worth looking into.

I wondered if there might be something in the obits in that particular edition that might have led him to brood on it for a few months before killing himself.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

OK, so I found La Repubblica's archives by an indirect route but you have to know what you're looking for, ie search on specific keywords. I'd need to get hold of a print copy and browse it so see if anything jumped out.

 

[Laughing]

OK, so I found La Repubblica's archives by an indirect route but you have to know what you're looking for, ie search on specific keywords. I'd need to get hold of a print copy and browse it so see if anything jumped out.

If you are near a college or university, you may be able to see it on their subscription, even if you're not a student.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

If you are near a college or university, you may be able to see it on their subscription, even if you're not a student.

I've discovered that one of the local universities does indeed have a department of Italian Studies and have sent an enquiry.

 

[neteditor]

As someone already said, there is a very strong Italian contingent in Scotland, descendants of migrants going back many years. The best fish and chip shops and ice cream shops in the country are generally Italians. There's a long list of famous Scottish Italians - the racing driving Franchitti brothers and their cousin Paul di Resta, actors like Tom Conti, Daniella Nardini, singer Paulo Nutini. The country is stacked with them! (And we're very fond of them )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Scots

As to the question, why would he be in the Canonbie area, I suppose it's anyone's guess. Maybe he was looking for long lost relatives. Maybe he was a drug courier (M6/A74/M74 is a drug corridor between England and Glasgow). He could have been looking for a remote place to die so he wouldn't be found (the forestry plantations in that area are huge and certainly remote). Did he have a relative die at Lockerbie and was paying respects (it's quite close by).

Fortunately I know my ex husband is alive and well, because the clothing of this man would be exactly the sort of thing he would wear. except perhaps not the gloves! (He's from this area of Scotland, too).

 

[Frivolous]

Archivio storico del 22 luglio 2010 - la Repubblica.it

 

[Al Ka]

Identity of body found at Scottish border remains mystery 10 years on

A decade-long mystery shrouds the body of a middle-aged man found in a wood near the Scottish Border.

Despite intensive enquiries both in the UK and abroad, the creation of an image of this face through forensic reconstruction technology, the man remains unidentified.

Police Scotland detective inspector Stephen Bell, in a renewed appeal for information, said: “Someone, somewhere may hold a memory that could give us the breakthrough.”

The body was found on December 20, 2010, by a couple out walking at Burnside Plantation near Canonbie, just north of the Border with England, and was thought to have been lying there for up to a month.
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A copy of La Repubblica, an Italian daily newspaper dated July 2010, was also found near the body.

Police described him as white, with six teeth missing – having had an extraction possibly within the previous six months – and he had a small scar on the left side of his body.
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Foul play was not suspected, and appeals were made by police for anyone who might have seen him, or could give information that might lead to his identification.

"We are hoping that someone perhaps remembers something, or recalls something they had forgotten at the time.”

Identity of body found at Scottish border remains mystery 10 years on

 

[Al Ka]