GUILTY UK - Constance Marten & Mark Gordon charged in death of baby Victoria, Guilty on counts 1 & 5, 2025 retrial on manslaughter, 5 Jan 2023 #8

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From the Argus ,link posted above

Marten said that she was living in fear and that her “number one priority” was to protect Victoria.

She certainly made no effort to protect Victoria from the cold which was shown by the lack of adequate clothing .
 
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BBC write-up:


"In court on Thursday and under questioning by Mr Gordon, Ms Marten described how "all hell broke loose" with her family when she returned from Peru pregnant with her first child in 2017.

She also said she had become "very fearful" after their car "exploded" in January 2023. She said 15 previous vehicles had also malfunctioned in mysterious circumstances, and that they had found a GPS tracker on at least one of them.

"After I spoke out about a family member of mine... about eight years ago. I feel that this person doesn't want me alive," she said."

The jury heard that the couple had been living in a tent in Wales before the birth of their first child.
"The only reason we ended up in Wales was because of this person who I am convinced was behind the explosion of the car," Ms Marten said.
She said her family had hired two firms of private detectives and she felt it was "like a cat and mouse game".
She said she believed some of her relatives saw her as an embarrassment and that "some people from privilege think they are above the rules".
"You are up against these people who will stop at nothing, and have endless resources and connections, and I don't think I can get away from them," she told the court.


BBC man may have got his wires crossed, but as it stands that report implies two car explosions - one before the birth of their first child, and one in Jan 2023.

Perhaps there won't be any agreed statements by family members this time and they will be required to come to court and submit to cross-examination?

It would be interesting to hear from the private detectives themselves as to what their tasks were and how they went about them.

I wonder whether she has named the person from the box.

This is from the first trial:


"The 36-year-old, who is on trial accused of the manslaughter of her baby daughter, Victoria, told jurors a family member tried to have her children removed in revenge after she spoke out about “serious abuse”." (...) She told the jury: “I had spoken out about serious abuse by that family member and as a way to get back at me they tried to take my children away from me.

BBM in both cases.
 
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Clearly this evidence is admissible, otherwise the judge would have cut it off, i.e. not admitted it. And there's no point in a witness repeating herself. So we can assume either for some strange reason it wasn't in CM's statement to her solicitor (very unlikely IMO), or it was and her counsel decided not to ask her questions that would lead to her saying these things. (So perhaps she did sack him?)

If I were writing this as a novel, I would have MG deciding to take the stand himself, and CM deciding to represent herself and then cross-examining him. (The second bit of that is surely unlikely, but I won't be surprised if the first bit happens and he decides to take the stand. JMO.)

I would say the chances of at least one of the defendants saying they no longer accept everything in the agreed statements made by her parents at the first trial, and that they are putting them to strict proof, i.e. requiring them to give evidence from the box and submit to cross-examination, are high.

Incidentally, her own (current) counsel, i.e. Tom Godfrey, can re-examine her on what she has said under cross-examination (whether by the crown, the judge, or her co-defendant). And since he acts on her instructions, he will have to do so if she tells him to.
 
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"She told the jury she was “very fearful” after their car exploded shortly after the birth of Victoria, their fifth child, who they had concealed from the authorities to stop her being taken into care like their four other children.

“I just feel that after I spoke out about a family member of mine eight years ago… that’s why I feel that this person doesn’t want me alive and feel that he might be behind the explosion of the car,” she said."

BBM

Asked by Mr Gordon if Victoria died as a result of lack of love, she replied: “I can’t say why she died. I have got a strong faith in God – maybe it was her time. But it was the opposite of a lack of love.

“I love being a mum that’s what I want to do with my life. Some people think, in this day and age, get a career but for me being a mum is the best job in the world.”
 
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Interesting bit there is "Prosecution Case" at 15:03. Possibilities include

1) the crown sought to re-open its case so as to bring some new evidence in rebuttal of something this witness said

2) the crown said they're "offering no further evidence" on one or both of the charges (legalese for them pulling out)

JMO and nothing more than JMO, but I think it's unlikely that either of CM's parents will take the stand and submit to cross-examination.
 
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Archive version of the Independent piece for those who don't want to pay or accept their intrusive tracking cookies.

CM is suffering from paranoia or some severe psychosis and is also completely devoid of any empathy toward her daughter. This performance is an insult to the court and especially to Victoria's brief life and memory.
 
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She later called prosecution counsel Joel Smith KC “diabolical” and “heartless” as he asked her whether leaving Victoria’s body in a bag filled with rubbish was a "despicable thing" to do.
“Mr Smith you are diabolical…I find the way you cross examine me really uncouth,” she said. “You really are a heartless human being.”

No.She was heartless leaving her baby in a bag of rubbish. No mother who had loved her child would be able to do this. If she had one atom of feeling for Victoria she would have surrendered herself and made sure Victoria had a proper funeral.
 
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CM's appearance in this court sketch seems different from other ones, could it be that her recent dental ailment caused her to look bloated/ heavier?
Any idea why MG is wearing the (imo) ridiculous material on his head? speculation.
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CM's appearance in this court sketch seems different from other ones, could it be that her recent dental ailment caused her to look bloated/ heavier?
Any idea why MG is wearing the (imo) ridiculous material on his head? speculation.
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Are they really allowed to be that close to one another? Is she behind a glass panel?

I loathe these two.

JMO
 
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CM's appearance in this court sketch seems different from other ones, could it be that her recent dental ailment caused her to look bloated/ heavier?
Any idea why MG is wearing the (imo) ridiculous material on his head? speculation.
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I think she has just put on weight. I am sure in his own mind there is a significance for wearing such a head covering !!
 
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I think she has just put on weight. I am sure in his own mind there is a significance for wearing such a head covering !!
Lol, you just came right out and said exactly what i was trying to skirt around!
 
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From the BBC link…“some people from privilege think they are above the rules”.

Indeed.
 
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From the BBC link…“some people from privilege think they are above the rules”.

Indeed.
Or as CM's own mother said in court during the 1st trial, "Quite!"
 
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“Mr Smith asked her about hiding her baby's body under some rubbish in a shopping bag, saying: "It was a quite despicable thing to do to her body wasn't it?"

Marten replied: "If you are going to go down that route that shows the sort of person you are."

She then also later said: "To be quite honest your honour, I am tired of this whole process. I just find him [Smith] abhorrent. I just don't like the way he talks to me."

Towards the end of the session, she said: "I am so sorry I am not going to continue. I am at breaking point. I understand that I am being prosecuted but I am not going to sit here and be spoken to like that." “

Which perhaps shows the kind of person SHE is!

(Though it must be gruelling, for anyone)
 
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