GUILTY UK - Constance Marten & Mark Gordon charged in death of baby Victoria, Guilty on counts 1 & 5, 2025 retrial on manslaughter, 5 Jan 2023 #8

[Maltesepuppy]

Me three

 

[Skigh]

And me,although in all honesty I was not actually being that productive anyway!!

The Argus do say they will be continuing their blog until the verdicts come in so it does look as though something could be happening soon.

Updates as jury deliberates verdicts in baby death trial

Updates as jury continues deliberations in Constance Marten and Mark Gordon trial.

www.theargus.co.uk

 

[CaptainNancy]

I guess it takes a while to assemble everyone… but it’s getting close to the end of the Old Bailey day….

 

[Maltesepuppy]

I guess it takes a while to assemble everyone… but it’s getting close to the end of the Old Bailey day….

It's been an hour. Maybe MG is demanding a chicken and mayo sandwich ahead of hearing the verdicts

 

[Maltesepuppy]

It's been an hour. Maybe MG is demanding a chicken and mayo sandwich ahead of hearing the verdicts

Or maybe CM thinks this is a massive conspiracy and is giving her reasons why.


Clearly, I'm not concentrating on what I should be doing....

 

[Alyce]

I guess it takes a while to assemble everyone… but it’s getting close to the end of the Old Bailey day….

Yeah, that was my thought when @Maltesepuppy said The Argus had a live blog up at 2.15 pm. It does usually take at least an hour to get everyone back to court and I have seen quite a few verdicts come in at this time of day with previous trials.

 

[Megnut]

Ahead of any potential verdict jere, I just want to say Baby Victoria's life mattered... and she deserved to have it matter enough to have a warm place to live, a safe place to sleep and a future to grow into.

She was robbed of all of that. There was no altruism here.

JMO

 

[Lucy6226]

Probably getting a bit late in the day for a verdict now

 

[Skigh]

Do Mark and Constance travel to court each day the jury are considering their verdict or are they fetched from prison when the jury say they have reached a verdict?

 

[InstantCoffee]

The Argus:
4:34pm

Deliberations paused​

The jurors have been told to pause their deliberations until May 20 and have been sent home.
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Say what now???!!

 

[Alyce]

Law Pages saying the case resumed at 16.25hrs, but I expect that’s the Jury going back into court to be dismissed for the day.

 

[Maltesepuppy]

DBM

 

[Lucy6226]

The Argus:
4:34pm

Deliberations paused​

The jurors have been told to pause their deliberations until May 20 and have been sent home.
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Say what now???!!

That poor jury. Any progress they have made will surely be impacted by being away from court for so long!

 

[Maryanna]

Jurors to begin seventh day of deliberations on Monday 20 May.

 

[Skigh]

I am speechless! I really thought that we were going to get a get a verdict this afternoon.

 

[Smccat]

I dare say the Argus did too. I really would love to be a fly on the wall. What is going on?

 

[Alyce]

I know I've said this before, but whoever selected a juror for this case who had a holiday booked at the 6 week mark, really needs to have a rethink in future. Anyone who follows trials knows they always over run even if just by a few days. I am sure with the full 12 they would have got the verdicts through.

 

[bbsaz]

Judge must have a holiday or something. And so it continues... Feels like Letby 2.0

 

[Maryanna]

In case anyone is wondering, see the judgment in R v Dunster [2021] EWCA Crim 1555 (Edis LJ, Turner J and HHJ Karu):

para.32:
"The default position remains firmly that evidence should be placed before the jury during the parties' cases and not at any other stage. It is likely that new information will only be found to be in the interests of justice at that very late stage in the case on very rare occasions and where in particular:
1. It answers a question asked by the jury;
2. It is neutral or at least incontrovertible; and
3. It is clear that a defendant is not in any way disadvantaged by the stage at which it is admitted."

Note: "and", not "or". Answering a jury question is insufficient.

 

[bobbymkii]

Judge must have a holiday or something. And so it continues... Feels like Letby 2.0

Nope. He's listed in court tomorrow to oversee the third day of the "Eunuch maker" case sentencing.