UK - Constance Marten & Mark Gordon charged, Newborn (found deceased), Bolton Greater Manchester, 5 Jan 2023 #4

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  • #141
Wow yes that's what I hear. She speaks with a very London street accent and I'm a Londoner.
I hear it as same -

C: f*ck!
M: 'hand me back my wallet'
C: 'yep'
M: 'Toots'
C: 'uh, did you use / lose two from three hundred, yeh?'
M: 'yep'
- scuffle noise -
M: something I can discern... sounds annoyed / irritable
That's the accent I'd expect an aristo to have who doesn't care for showing off or appearing bourgeois or middle class - same accent as most people from London or the southeast.

"Uh, did you use two from three hundred, yeh?" <- This sounds right.
"Toots" <- I get "Good".
"Wallet" <- Not sure about this. The middle consonant doesn't sound like an /l/. The sound is more like "war yet".
 
  • #142
Right! I didn't know that (I'm north of the river LOL) but thanks for the info and IMO then that's definitely what she said 'lose' as in spent. Maybe they spent a couple hundred quid in the shop but whut the heck would they be buying in a late night store?
FWIW they reportedly withdrew money from the ATM outside the shop. (There may be a story in the ATM use, but I won't speculate as to what.) Perhaps they were talking about a withdrawal or total of recent withdrawals. Sources for the ATM include:

 
  • #143
BBM
That's the accent I'd expect an aristo to have who doesn't care for showing off or appearing bourgeois or middle class - same accent as most people from London or the southeast.

"Uh, did you use two from three hundred, yeh?" <- This sounds right.
"Toots" <- I get "Good".
"Wallet" <- Not sure about this. The middle consonant doesn't sound like an /l/. The sound is more like "war yet".
“Known by her friends as 'Toots',”
Constance Marten baby death - everything we know as police quiz couple
 
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I hear 'good' as well. it's the tone and inflection that makes more sense for it to be 'good', but I am pretty deaf so I'm really not the best judge, but like I said before I use tone and inflection to try and decipher what people say to me
I heard him say "hun, have you got my wallet? Then she says, 'yeah,' and he says, 'good.' Then she starts to say 'how much,' but then says something like, 'he gave you 300 right?" Then he says, "yeah." After that I think he says something about it being cheap but I can't make out the other words.

I don't hear "London" or "toots," but they seem to be having a normal conversation that any couple would have.
 
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That's the accent I'd expect an aristo to have who doesn't care for showing off or appearing bourgeois or middle class - same accent as most people from London or the southeast.

"Uh, did you use two from three hundred, yeh?" <- This sounds right.
"Toots" <- I get "Good".
"Wallet" <- Not sure about this. The middle consonant doesn't sound like an /l/. The sound is more like "war yet".

This is how we speak in London unfortunately LOL

Wallet comes off more like 'woh wit' or as you say 'war yet'

Her name is Toots so I'm sure he says toots.
 
  • #147
This is how we speak in London unfortunately LOL

Wallet comes off more like 'woh wit' or as you say 'war yet'

Her name is Toots so I'm sure he says toots.
I'm from London - south of the river. MG is from Birmingham.

In other news...I was wondering what the yellow thing was in the allotment. Water purification? Some kind of barbecue device? Something else? The brandname "Exin" shown on it in a photo in this article in the D Mail has enabled it to be identified.


It's a rechargeable light, probably brought there by the police:


So - not as interesting as I'd thought it might be.
 
  • #148
I'm from London - south of the river. MG is from Birmingham.

In other news...I was wondering what the yellow thing was in the allotment. Water purification? Some kind of barbecue device? Something else? The brandname "Exin" shown on it in a photo in this article in the D Mail has enabled it to be identified.


It's a rechargeable light, probably brought there by the police:


So - not as interesting as I'd thought it might be.

Hi, re MG accent, do we know anything about it yet from any verified sources?

By aged 14 he was resident in the USA where he was convicted for 20 years. Do we know what age he went to USA? As his accent would have likely been changed by those years. Also I read elsewhere (not verified) that himself and CM have been living around the Brixton area for years. Unsure what his heritage is or what accent his parent / care givers may have raised him with or if he immigrated into UK as a child and that would be another factor.
 
  • #149
Oh no, the poor baby died? I’m so sorry for the poor bae. I was incredibly wrong about this case, even flippant at times, and I truly feel awful. Please forgive me and my poor judgment. I can learn from this.
 
  • #150
Oh no, the poor baby died? I’m so sorry for the poor bae. I was incredibly wrong about this case, even flippant at times, and I truly feel awful. Please forgive me and my poor judgment. I can learn from this.


FWIW I have a huge amount of respect for people who can say "I was wrong about this"
 
  • #151
FWIW I have a huge amount of respect for people who can say "I was wrong about this"
Thank you, I really appreciate that, deservedly or not.
 
  • #152
DBM
 
  • #153
Oh no, the poor baby died? I’m so sorry for the poor bae. I was incredibly wrong about this case, even flippant at times, and I truly feel awful. Please forgive me and my poor judgment. I can learn from this.
Nothing to forgive. We all get things wrong. You’re obviously a compassionate person - your signature statement about animals makes that very clear.
 
  • #154
I thought I’d seen it reported she joined the cult as an adult, as a journalist investigating it? JMO. If she was sent as a teen by her parents, that puts a very different spin on it.
There was an interview with her in 2013 by Cosmopolitan magazine where she claimed she was sent to a place in her teens because of behavioural problems . She said that she was in a dormitory with 50 girls , watched by armed guards , starved, woken at night for biblical readings and made to call the leader Daddy.
 
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There was an interview with her in 2013 by Cosmopolitan magazine where she claimed she was sent to a place in her teens because of behavioural problems . She said that she was in a dormitory with 50 girls , watched by armed guards , starved, woken at night for biblical readings and made to call the leader Daddy.
I've never been able to find that cosmo interview though - has anyone else?
 
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Hi, re MG accent, do we know anything about it yet from any verified sources?

By aged 14 he was resident in the USA where he was convicted for 20 years. Do we know what age he went to USA? As his accent would have likely been changed by those years. Also I read elsewhere (not verified) that himself and CM have been living around the Brixton area for years. Unsure what his heritage is or what accent his parent / care givers may have raised him with or if he immigrated into UK as a child and that would be another factor.
I believe he went to the USA around the age of 11/12 and I also believe that he settled in London in 2010 when deported.
 
  • #157
Oh no, the poor baby died? I’m so sorry for the poor bae. I was incredibly wrong about this case, even flippant at times, and I truly feel awful. Please forgive me and my poor judgment. I can learn from this.

Brave post. You have nothing to be forgiven for.

Our public services simply don't have the resources to launch such an extensive search unless they have the most grave concerns.
Sadly this was never about her being 'an aristocrat' or loving parents being persecuted by over-zealous authorities.

It was always about a tiny human life being in extreme danger.
 
  • #158
I heard him say "hun, have you got my wallet? Then she says, 'yeah,' and he says, 'good.' Then she starts to say 'how much,' but then says something like, 'he gave you 300 right?" Then he says, "yeah." After that I think he says something about it being cheap but I can't make out the other words.

I don't hear "London" or "toots," but they seem to be having a normal conversation that any couple would have.
Completely agree with the normal conversation. Like I said before, the tone and inflection in both of their speech seems pretty normal but I did feel like CM was 'in charge' ,as in he relied on her
 
  • #159
Hi, re MG accent, do we know anything about it yet from any verified sources?

By aged 14 he was resident in the USA where he was convicted for 20 years. Do we know what age he went to USA? As his accent would have likely been changed by those years. Also I read elsewhere (not verified) that himself and CM have been living around the Brixton area for years. Unsure what his heritage is or what accent his parent / care givers may have raised him with or if he immigrated into UK as a child and that would be another factor.
His pronunciation of the first vowel in "Constance" sounded West Indian (JMO), but apart from that his accent sounds English through and through. I guess that vowel could also have been in a US accent, which wouldn't be surprising given that he lived in the US for many years.

He was born on 8 June 1974 according to the US state of Florida's Dept of Corrections:


<modsnip: No link to FreeBMD, and sleuthing mother is not allowed>



I haven't read about a Brixton connection. CM and MG are reported as having lived in Eltham and on the Coldharbour Estate. Both are in the London borough of Greenwich:


<modsnip: No link to source>


Notting Hill has been known for many decades as a London district of choice for "trustafarians" (although they are of course only a small proportion of the population there):

 
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  • #160
His pronunciation of the first vowel in "Constance"

I can barely make out anything, but I'd be very surprised if he calls her "Constance". It's a rather formal kind of name that is usually abbreviated to Connie, and most people seem to call her Toots anyway.
 
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