UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #20

[Shiressleuth]

Corrie’s uncle, Tony Wringe, also hit out at Suffolk police, writing: “We begged the police to search the tip. They said no and never.
“Nicola pleaded with them to at least secure the area. Again, no, they wanted to hand it back to the operator and that they did not feel there was any future value in holding the site.
“Through luck or judgement the waste site operator did not dump much/any more waste on that area of the tip - this was nothing to do with the police."

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/754247/nicola-mckeague-corrie-mckeague-missing-wrong-bin/amp/

How much of this is correct?

Link not working now. Do we have to go back to parking lot now GT?

 

[Shiressleuth]

Taking statements as fact without verifying them is not a investigation though is it. You follow leads based on incorrect information. Ultimately SP are responsible for the 'errors' no matter what they were told.

You follow leads based on information. You don't know how accurate they are at the time.e.g. all the unconfirmed sightings. If this Scottish Sun article has been pulled then something is wrong IMO.

 

[Aye]

Link not working now. Do we have to go back to parking lot now GT?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/31421...be-missing-raf-gunner-disappearance-facebook/

 

[Aye]

You follow leads based on information. You don't know how accurate they are at the time.e.g. all the unconfirmed sightings. If this Scottish Sun article has been pulled then something is wrong IMO.

Proven accurate statements, I am talking in context to Biffa & LF like the MSM N reports and nothing else, it's not been pulled see above

 

[Shiressleuth]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/31421...be-missing-raf-gunner-disappearance-facebook/

Thanks for new link. Notice the omissions and amendments - they have added ''alleged" and some SP comments and removed the TW comments completely AFAICS.

 

[leep]

Then why did he sleep on a cold, hard, exposed doorway instead of going to his car? I think he was just so drunk he didn't know what he was doing.

With all due respect there's a big difference between falling asleep full of beer and filling your face with food in a shop doorway then waking up 2-3 hrs later sobered up a bit due to the effects of the food,sleep and time than him willing going climbing into a dirty a*** smelly bin instead of walking to his car.


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[Aye]

I know, its one hell of a mystery overall. But with drink, its anyone's guess.

We need to wait and see what comes of this new 'bin revelation', if indeed it is true.

IMO I'm just not sure how one police officer criticizing another police force can help at this stage. We really need to wait for the final outcome.

Drink and misadventure cannot be repeatedly blamed, there is no evidence as SP still have not located C.


The critisism has been long standing, it's just got full on public. The same as a police force investigating another...it is meant to be transparent and objective this criticism should up standards in ALL police forces in the U.K..

Frankly it's just the tip of the iceberg, when all the full details are released, well...


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[Aye]

Thanks for new link. Notice the omissions and amendments - they have added ''alleged" and some SP comments and removed the TW comments completely AFAICS.

Libel would be against N not The Sun for reporting such, you will notice SP did not answer a denial of the allegations.

 

[DanceCard]

:hills::hills:

 

[Shiressleuth]

Libel would be against N not The Sun for reporting such, you will notice SP did not answer a denial of the allegations.

Now the Sun has pulled the wrong Scottish one they may be ok and added "alleged" maybe perhaps. SP gave their comments In this version. There actions speak louder than words IMO and this criticism while those officers are in that hell hole looking for her son are way out of order. Every month the criticisms come. Initially it was that the police had ruled out a third party, while SP were saying they hadn't ruled anything out. Let them complete the search. if he's not there, will there still be criticism?

 

[Aye]

Their actions. The criticism from N is valid, MOD were not even listened to ? the Royal Air Force Police were dismissed by SP - that criticism will never end until a independent investigation against SP happens & well ignoring MOD...


Everything points to criticism being valid. In the pecking order SP are nothing in comparison to MOD.


As I said, heads are going to roll at SP. Nicola has thanked the search but critisised it's time period. All very valid.


No full denials of all N disclosures either...now that speaks VOLUMES.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Aye, have you links for the RAF and MOD facts?
I also hope N can back up her allegations because MM's version certainly doesn't seem to support this.

 

[Aye]

Aye, have you links for the RAF and MOD facts?

lol MOD is RAF and other services = military. You already have the link.

 

[Greater Than]

As the story is now in the news, can we revert back to this thread?
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/754247/nicola-urquhart-corrie-mckeague-missing-wrong-bin/

Yes.

Suffolk Police's response:

In response to Ms Urquhart's allegations, a Suffolk Constabulary spokesman said in a lengthy explanation: 'Police have been carrying out extensive enquiries to locate Corrie McKeague since he was reported as missing on Monday, September 26.
'Throughout the enquiry officers have been investigating the most likely scenario with the information they had at the time, while also carrying out work on other possibilities, with detectives checking and re-checking as is routine in investigations of this nature.

'Initial witness accounts indicated that Corrie may have tried to walk back to Honington.

'There was also speculation that something else may have happened to him – that he may have been taken against his will, or had willingly gone with someone else for example - and officers could not afford to rule out any of these options.

'The landfill site search was always one possible line of enquiry police were looking at, after it was thought Corrie's phone may have been in the bin lorry, however it was only one of the possibilities.

'It was thought extremely unlikely that he went with his phone due to the information officers had at that time about the weight of the pick-up.

'Officers were told that the waste pick up from the area was just 11kg, and it was only through a comprehensive and persistent checking process by police that the information that had been provided was recently found to be incorrect.

'The correct bin lorry was seized at the start of the investigation and work was done to see if there was any trace of Corrie within the vehicle or if the vehicle had been involved in a collision.'

She added: 'When an initial decision not to search the landfill was made we remained in contact with the site who had identified where the waste had been deposited.

'They placed nothing further on top of this. Had anything further been deposited we would have encompassed this in the current search.

'Painstaking work was carried out alongside searches, comprehensive CCTV examination and background enquiries to see what may have happened.


'The combination of the lack of CCTV sightings and witness information gradually ruled out many of the other possibilities but it was only by carrying out these enquiries – and the work to check the data provided - that this was found to be the most likely option.

'We remain committed to finding out the truth about what happened to Corrie, and work to search the landfill site at Milton in Cambridgeshire continues.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4335834/Corrie-McKeague-s-mother-claims-misled-police.html

 

[Taskforce88]

So from the beginning the police were hit with lies, false reports and so many initial possibilities.

The police report blows the uncles comments out of the water it seems?

So certain people have an agenda? Or something else going on that will be uncovered?

 

[suzyjackson]

So from the beginning the police were hit with lies, false reports and so many initial possibilities.

The police report blows the uncles comments out of the water it seems?

So certain people have an agenda? Or something else going on that will be uncovered?

Could you explain what you mean about the police report and UTs comments please

 

[Taskforce88]

Could you explain what you mean about the police report and UTs comments please

Well this is what the uncle said via the telegraph link i posted earlier:

Corrie’s uncle, Tony Wringe, also hit out at Suffolk police, writing: “We begged the police to search the tip. They said no and never.
“Nicola pleaded with them to at least secure the area. Again, no, they wanted to hand it back to the operator and that they did not feel there was any future value in holding the site.
“Through luck or judgement the waste site operator did not dump much/any more waste on that area of the tip - this was nothing to do with the police."

 

[xmsmadex]

With all due respect there's a big difference between falling asleep full of beer and filling your face with food in a shop doorway then waking up 2-3 hrs later sobered up a bit due to the effects of the food,sleep and time than him willing going climbing into a dirty a*** smelly bin instead of walking to his car.


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Exactly, why did he choose to do this? Or why not call his friends? I do not understand his thinking at all.

 

[carbuncle69]

The two statements are not inconsistent. There's a world of difference between 'securing' the area and 'asking' people not to dump extra rubbish there.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Exactly, why did he choose to do this? Or why not call his friends? I do not understand his thinking at all.

Well, we don't know that he did choose to get in the bin, he might have been put there. I personally think he just nodded off in the doorway after eating, rather than making a decision to do so.

We also don't know for certain that he wasn't in contact with a friend, he could have been whatsapping (or using another encrypted messaging system) someone for all we know.