UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #20

[Shiressleuth]

I don't think he went to the doorway to sleep but just to finish his food. It was still early and I wonder if he planned to go in the Grapes but fell asleep and missed it. Everyone knows you can't take food into a pub with you. I do think he had a lift arranged for later though, woke up and jogged to find his lift.

 

[Cherwell]

Jogging to warm up, I think. He looks as though he's feeling the cold. Good shout about intending to go in the Grapes, that's very plausible.

Also I've been out late night drinking in Leeds in September many many times and I don't recall it ever been freezing up here especially with him been more down south as well.

Obviously it was not literally freezing, but he would have lost a lot of body heat after sleeping outside for +/- two hours wearing just a thin shirt. You stay warm by moving around.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I don't think he went to the doorway to sleep but just to finish his food. It was still early and I wonder if he planned to go in the Grapes but fell asleep and missed it. Everyone knows you can't take food into a pub with you. I do think he had a lift arranged for later though, woke up and jogged to find his lift.

So what's the thinking here?

He goes for a pee and somehow loses his phone in/on/near bin which ends up going with the bin lorry and he leaves in vehicle around 03:30?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

So what's the thinking here?

He goes for a pee and somehow loses his phone in/on/near bin which ends up going with the bin lorry and he leaves in vehicle around 03:30?

But then how did the bin weigh as much as it did?

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

But then how did the bin weigh as much as it did?

Good question, but hard to answer without more info. Personally I feel 11-15kg over several months seems far too little for general waste and if it was true why have a 1100 litre bin when a 660 litre bin would be enough? If it was a 660 litre bin it would make it even more unlikely Corrie was in it..... at least by choice.

Or maybe the BL driver being a stand in the error was that he picked up a general waste bin instead of the recycling bin and that is what threw everyone off?

 

[Cherwell]

But then how did the bin weigh as much as it did?

The latest version seems to be that the bin contained general waste and not paper for recycling. If that's true, it's likely to have been a lot heavier.

Or maybe the BL driver being a stand in the error was that he picked up a general waste bin instead of the recycling bin and that is what threw everyone off?

Could well be.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

The latest version seems to be that the bin contained general waste and not paper for recycling. If that's true, it's likely to have been a lot heavier.



Could well be.

I agree a general waste bin would likely be heavier than a paper and cardboard recycling bin all else being equal but then I wouldn't expect a small Greggs shop to generate that much (116kg) GW in one week, either. The weight does support the notion Corrie was in this bin but on the other hand I would think if Greggs regular weight of GW was +- 30kg per week it would mean the use of a 660 litre bin which is substantially smaller than a 1100 litre. A lot are finding it hard to believe Corrie would choose to climb in a 1100 litre so even more so for the smaller bin.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I don't think he lost his phone necessarily, or that it went in the bin. As Reallyodd said it came off the mast at 04.19 the bin lorry hadn't even got to the Hs then and didn't leave till 5 minutes later. To leave the mast at 04.19 the phone would have to be 3 miles from BSE mast by then so couldn't be in the bin lorry therefore could it? So why are they looking at Milton? Just to discount it perhaps?
Eta. Also, who originally said it was paper or a recycling bin? Biffa?

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I think only the family updates specifically called it paper and cardboard, Shires. SP only ever referred to it as "waste"? Then again there was all the talk (from SP too?) about the sorting process which doesn't happen for general waste hence my question about whether the error wasn't really weight but which type of bin was picked up.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I think there would be more general waste than around 30 kg. That's only just a bit more than a sack of spuds. Why have massive bins if you only generate a small amount ?

 

[Shiressleuth]

Truth, it's my understanding all waste goes to WTS. We are right to now question everything as we have such scant new info.
Also, with a difference of at least 5 minutes, there's no evidence the phone (or C) was in that lorry IMO. The weight reporting was human error. These timings are pretty exact now though.

 

[Cherwell]

I agree a general waste bin would likely be heavier than a paper and cardboard recycling bin all else being equal but then I wouldn't expect a small Greggs shop to generate that much (116kg) GW in one week, either. The weight does support the notion Corrie was in this bin but on the other hand I would think if Greggs regular weight of GW was +- 30kg per week it would mean the use of a 660 litre bin which is substantially smaller than a 1100 litre. A lot are finding it hard to believe Corrie would choose to climb in a 1100 litre so even more so for the smaller bin.

It might not have been the Greggs bin. If the wrong bin was collected, it could have been any of the general waste bins.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I think there would be more general waste than around 30 kg. That's only just a bit more than a sack of spuds. Why have massive bins if you only generate a small amount ?

I think 30kg would be quite a lot to be fair. Also if it does turn out Corrie was in that GW bin and the cotents weighed 116kg then minus Corrie's approx weight gives us ~31kg for the week.

Some parts fit and others don't.....

 

[Scorpio1]

I think there would be more general waste than around 30 kg. That's only just a bit more than a sack of spuds. Why have massive bins if you only generate a small amount ?

i would have thought that a place like Gregg's would have had more general waste in one day,

 

[Shiressleuth]

Somebody could ask them (if they haven't already) or ask Biffa?
Remind me why we think it's the Greggs bin ?

 

[Scorpio1]

it was said that the recycling bin was from Gregg's but who knows now it's all changed,

 

[Shiressleuth]

Yes but now we need links for this stuff we may find it wasn't ever specified. This is why we need to check everything. The bin lorry times are a case in point how stuff can be wrongly promulgated.

 

[guruagain]

Jogging to warm up, I think. He looks as though he's feeling the cold. Good shout about intending to go in the Grapes, that's very plausible.



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RSBM- The grapes closes at 1.30am on Fridays so I doubt he intended to go in as it was 1.15 - 1.20am when he walked past.

 

[Cherwell]

RSBM- The grapes closes at 1.30am on Fridays so I doubt he intended to go in as it was 1.15 - 1.20am when he walked past.

Ah, I thought someone said that it was open later that night. There was certainly some discussion on this point.

 

[Shiressleuth]

01.30 last orders maybe. If C was eating he would easily make that and the band were obviously still there then. I don't think he intended to fall asleep but sitting down after a lot of drink and food was why he fell asleep IMO