UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #21

[LadyBrook]

Cant get my head around this case, especially the latest sighting. If Corrie was known to have a mental health issue, surely the RAF could have released him.

You guys are brilliant by the way

 

[FlashyHydra]

Cant get my head around this case, especially the latest sighting. If Corrie was known to have a mental health issue, surely the RAF could have released him.

You guys are brilliant by the way

Maybe his health wasn't all that bad, but he wasn't allowed to take part in exercises with real ammunitions.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Do you mean this route?

Yeah. It doesn't seem that far maybe 7 or 8 miles. And he'd probably thumb it again?

 

[Reallyodd]

Yeah. It doesn't seem that far maybe 7 or 8 miles. And he'd probably thumb it again?

13.1 miles, but I can't see him going that route and he certainly wouldn't be able to thumb it. This is where that track starts from the Brandon Road.

and this is where it comes out onto the B1106. The track from one end to the other is 3.5 miles.

 

[Spyder84]

Looks very secluded, and I would assume with no street lighting, imo I cant see anyone walking that route during the middle of the night without a torch or something to light the way

13.1 miles, but I can't see him going that route and he certainly wouldn't be able to thumb it. This is where that track starts from the Brandon Road.

and this is where it comes out onto the B1106. The track from one end to the other is 3.5 miles.

 

[Spyder84]

Briefly reading through the comments regarding the witness, the timing of the sighting is very neat and would fit well. IMO I think he managed to get out out of the HS while the camera was looking the other way, he could have been meeting someone at the HS to get a lift back to base or a lift elsewhere and something has gone wrong.
What ever has happened, lets not forget there was a considerable time gap between corrie going missing and being reported missing, this would have given adequate time for someone to destroy any evidence of him being in that area and even more time to consider how the could muddy any subsequent police investigation

 

[Shiressleuth]

Briefly reading through the comments regarding the witness, the timing of the sighting is very neat and would fit well. IMO I think he managed to get out out of the HS while the camera was looking the other way, he could have been meeting someone at the HS to get a lift back to base or a lift elsewhere and something has gone wrong.
What ever has happened, lets not forget there was a considerable time gap between corrie going missing and being reported missing, this would have given adequate time for someone to destroy any evidence of him being in that area and even more time to consider how the could muddy any subsequent police investigation

I'm thinking he may have had an accident on that stretch of road or gone to the other dogging site or the rave even. Would it be getting light at 5 a.m. ? Sunrise would likely be around 7 a.m. I think.

 

[FlashyHydra]

If he met some rave people, then drugs were highly likely I suppose...

 

[Shiressleuth]

Cant get my head around this case, especially the latest sighting. If Corrie was known to have a mental health issue, surely the RAF could have released him.

You guys are brilliant by the way

Thanks for that. You could be right but he loved the RAF according to family. I don't know if three years would mean he automatically came out or would have to re enlist? Perhaps someone knows? We now do know he knew about the baby so how was his state of mind? He could have been worried about the future. I always think that he must have mentioned to his brother what his plans were that weekend during those convos on the Friday surely - that would be usual anyway. And then no contact for 3 days ? Wouldn't that be thought a tad strange? Anyway, just speculating.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Looks very secluded, and I would assume with no street lighting, imo I cant see anyone walking that route during the middle of the night without a torch or something to light the way

Forgive me for saying so, but that's a townie way of looking at the matter.

How do you think people moved around the countryside at night before torches/flashlights were invented?

They relied on night vision which we all have but very few use these days.

Night vision starts to kick in after 10-15 minutes of no exposure to bright light and is generally fully developed after around 45 minutes. In much earlier discussions we established that this was a pretty clear night with some moonlight after midnight and that stony track is light enough to have been visible and followable with night vision.

For what it's worth, many years ago I had a drinking buddy who was ex special forces. We used to walk back from the pub late at night across another patch of forested countryside using similar tracks and often we stopped for an hour or so to sit and watch deer or whatever was around that night. I've also wandered around woodland and forest on my own late at night and felt (and been) perfectly safe doing do.

And I'm a civilian, not military.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I'm thinking he may have had an accident on that stretch of road or gone to the other dogging site or the rave even. Would it be getting light at 5 a.m. ? Sunrise would likely be around 7 a.m. I think.

For 24 September 2016:

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Definitions of what astronomical, nautical and civil twilight means in practice:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight

 

[Miss_French]

Cant get my head around this case, especially the latest sighting. If Corrie was known to have a mental health issue, surely the RAF could have released him.

You guys are brilliant by the way

Whilst there's a long list of physical and psychiatric issues that preclude joining the RAF, there are conditions that can develop when you're in the Forces that don't necessarily mean a discharge. For MH, if it's something they think can be treated and overcome, eg depression over a break-up, and the individual is going to be able to return to normal duties, they'll treat. The RAF has made an investment in that individual and they like to see a return, where possible. It's very much case-by-case.

I've only directly come across one airman with MH issues; he was being treated, though it was a serious case and the docs were already leaning towards discharge when another factor came to light and he was let go.

 

[Miss_French]

Thanks for that. You could be right but he loved the RAF according to family. I don't know if three years would mean he automatically came out or would have to re enlist? Perhaps someone knows? We now do know he knew about the baby so how was his state of mind? He could have been worried about the future. I always think that he must have mentioned to his brother what his plans were that weekend during those convos on the Friday surely - that would be usual anyway. And then no contact for 3 days ? Wouldn't that be thought a tad strange? Anyway, just speculating.

What's your query about the 3 years, Shire? I'll try and answer but I'm sorry, I didn't quite understand your comment.

 

[Shiressleuth]

What's your query about the 3 years, Shire? I'll try and answer but I'm sorry, I didn't quite understand your comment.

How long would C have signed up for?

 

[Shiressleuth]

For 24 September 2016:

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Sunrise:	06:51:23
Sun at its highest (transit)	12:52:12
Sunset:	18:53:00
Dusk - civil twilight ends	19:26:10

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Source: http://www.ukweathercams.co.uk/sunrise_sunset_times.php

Definitions of what astronomical, nautical and civil twilight means in practice:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight

Thanks Melmoth. Certainly looks like the dawn would just be commencing around 5 a.m. anyway.

 

[Deleted member 189081]

Thanks for that. You could be right but he loved the RAF according to family. I don't know if three years would mean he automatically came out or would have to re enlist? Perhaps someone knows? We now do know he knew about the baby so how was his state of mind? He could have been worried about the future. I always think that he must have mentioned to his brother what his plans were that weekend during those convos on the Friday surely - that would be usual anyway. And then no contact for 3 days ? Wouldn't that be thought a tad strange? Anyway, just speculating.

Minimum sign up is 4 years. (Army) However if you are medically unfit and have passed phase 1 and 2 training you will go down a medical board route who will determine if you should be medically discharged at which point if the answer is yes and you have only served 3 years you will still be entitled to resettlement. The Armed Forces take each person as Miss French says on a case by case basis. see annex BB on the following link JSP 534

KR
Reacher

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Thanks Melmoth. Certainly looks like the dawn would just be commencing around 5 a.m. anyway.

At 5am dawn would be just breaking and would be nothing more than the faintest signs of colour in the sky. It would make no difference to what could or could not be seen at ground level by a person on the ground.

 

[Shiressleuth]

13.1 miles, but I can't see him going that route and he certainly wouldn't be able to thumb it. This is where that track starts from the Brandon Road.

and this is where it comes out onto the B1106. The track from one end to the other is 3.5 miles.

Yeah but it would easily be light by the time he got to this last bit and I bet farmers would be up and around early too. And possibly holidaymakers from Elveden Centre Parks as well. I know it's a long shot but if he's not in LF where do we go next?

 

[Miss_French]

How long would C have signed up for?

Understood!

It would be 12 years sign up, though there are certain points in your career when you have a right to apply to leave. However, how long it takes to be released depends on how quickly your position can be filled.

 

[Deleted member 189081]

Understood!

It would be 12 years sign up, though there are certain points in your career when you have a right to apply to leave. However, how long it takes to be released depends on how quickly your position can be filled.

Blimey do the RAF sign up for a minimum of 12 years that is a bit harsh - Unless of course it is different for Non commissioned Officer to Commissioned Officers.

The rest of course is unless they are found to be medically unfit and go down the medical discharge route. What ever it is not a quick discharge in most cases.

KR
Reacher