UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #22

[FlashyHydra]

You're not the only one! From the news article: he was not in that bin or he was in that bin, but in a different lorry? Or he was in that bin, but emptied into a different lorry to go to landfill? Or he wasn't in a bin at all?

ETA: Why did a load of recycling go to the landfill anyway? If it went through the normal process at Red Lodge, if he was in that load, they should have found him?

This has been discussed before, don't you remember...
Biffa possibly has been lying to the customer about recycling, not doing everything by the rules but still fully charging customers and so on.... So I'm not a bit surprised to hear that there might have been wrong lorry under inspection!

 

[guruagain]

But did it? Did it definitely go to RL like it should have?

Is the confusion about the bin lorry or the transfer truck? I'm not sure the police have properly clarified. Bottom line is, NONE of the waste from BSE (or indeed the rest of Suffolk) should have gone to landfill:

Every single bag of general refuge from households and businesses in the county is going to a £180million incinerator plant in Great Blakenham, near Ipswich – preventing any rubbish going to landfill.

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/tour-of-...aste-incinerator-at-great-blakenham-1-3883498

Exactly - Iirc initially it was reported the bin lorry went to the waste transfer station near Barton Mills, Red Lodge wasn't mentioned in the first few months.

 

[janerodger1]

My understanding is the bin lorry went to Red lodge but there is no waste sorting on a weekend so the bin lorry tips into containers that then go to either the incinerator or landfill on the Monday. So I imagine the police have been looking at the wrong container lorry now they've found out that several went to landfill that morning. What a mess! I hope the council claim the £1m of tax payers money spent on the search so far from BIFFA for supplying inaccurate information.

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[Ironside]

It wasn't the council that spent £1m on the search it was the police.


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[Taskforce88]

What exactly was the £1M spent on by the police?

 

[tree1]

Utter confusion. It was the realisation the bin weight was much more than initially thought that prompted the landfill search wasn't it? So as pointed out, that now means either the weight is now irrelevant or that load was transferred to a different vehicle but why would that happen? I have read before that load is transferred to a different vehicle at landfill site prior to being disposed of so is it this 2nd vehicle in question?😖 My brain hurts.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Utter confusion. It was the realisation the bin weight was much more than initially thought that prompted the landfill search wasn't it? So as pointed out, that now means either the weight is now irrelevant or that load was transferred to a different vehicle but why would that happen? I have read before that load is transferred to a different vehicle at landfill site prior to being disposed of so is it this 2nd vehicle in question?�� My brain hurts.

Nobody knows anything, not for certain anyway...... I honestly don't trust a word anyone says about this case now. I should be willing to believe the police but they might have given out information tactically or ballsed it up. The family seem confused, overly reactive and contradictory. The press is a mixture of vague factor with a bit of rumour and probably a few theories from here chucked in.

Shaking my head at the ridiculousness of it all....

 

[jessie]

Cambridge News has the story too now. Worth reading in full. Will say, if true I think it shocking that such mistakes have been made over this.


http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/local-news/corrie-mckeague-search-landfill-milton-13714724

The police search for missing airman Corrie McKeague stopped because of incorrect information given by a waste disposal firm, his mother has claimed.

Nicola Urquhart, 48, said detectives were resuming their search for the 23-year-old at a landfill site because previous information had been wrong.

Corrie is believed to have been taken to the site in Milton, Cambridgeshire through a holding site after he fell asleep in an industrial bin following a night out in September last year.

Nicola said the initial search was carried out based on evidence from landfill owners FCC Environment, which owns the two sites, and a private haulage firm which it hires.

Nicola said the new search site will cover deposits from all lorries which moved rubbish from Red Lodge from September 26 until September 30 last year.

 

[janerodger1]

It wasn't the council that spent £1m on the search it was the police.


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Sorry I'm not sure who funds Suffolk police I'm under MET but whoever does should be trying to recuperate the money from BIFFA. Either way my point was that if misinformation has been given from BIFFA the tax payer shouldn't suffer the cost and the impeding cut backs to services because of it.

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[Reallyodd]

Could SP be considering a collection from Short Brackland now? This, I think, would be a Council collection so refutes the collection weight that has been made public.

I've been wondering about SB, but not so much a refuse collection from there. I've always thought C was picked up by a vehicle from SB. Cameras would not necessarily see him in a vehicle.

When Nicola did her walkabout recently she said that the bin lorry entered the HS by the other road by McDonalds/Cornhill Shopping Centre as it cannot get down Short Brackland. I remembered it being said ages ago that the bin man heard and saw the teenagers in the car park in at the rear of Cornhill Shopping Centre as he arrived. In searching for the old news, all the papers said they were in the car park at the rear of Cornhill Shopping Centre at 4.20am. Yet C's phone left at 4.19am. OK so it's only a minute, but this recent change of route taken, is a little odd.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

To think that all this could have been avoided if the bin man had simply lifted the lid and looked in the bin, he'd either have seen Corrie and saved him, or definitively not seen him and saved a million quid search. I'm not blaming him, but I hope it leads to a change in policy.

 

[Ironside]

To think that all this could have been avoided if the bin man had simply lifted the lid and looked in the bin, he'd either have seen Corrie and saved him, or definitively not seen him and saved a million quid search. I'm not blaming him, but I hope it leads to a change in policy.

Well we still don't know for certain he was in the bin (I do think he was) so it's maybe a bit early to be pointing fingers at anyone.

 

[Miss_French]

What exactly was the £1M spent on by the police?

That figure actually includes the cost of wages, which would gave been paid regardless of what the police were working on. On top of that there's overtime and use of equipment like the police helicopter

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/cost-of-corrie-mckeague-investigation-exceeds-1million-1-5004778

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Sorry I'm not sure who funds Suffolk police I'm under MET but whoever does should be trying to recuperate the money from BIFFA. Either way my point was that if misinformation has been given from BIFFA the tax payer shouldn't suffer the cost and the impeding cut backs to services because of it.

Interestingly Biffa had been owned by a consortium of hedge fund investors for several years but returned to the LSE as a listed company in October 2016.

A cursory search suggests that the company's annual operating profits are in the region of £35m, so having to pay the cost of the landfill search to Suffolk Police would represent a measurable proportion of the profit for the year.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-waste-management-london-stock-exchange-float

 

[MelmothTheLost]

To think that all this could have been avoided if the bin man had simply lifted the lid and looked in the bin, he'd either have seen Corrie and saved him, or definitively not seen him and saved a million quid search. I'm not blaming him, but I hope it leads to a change in policy.

I thought it was already policy for operators to open the lid and check the bin because of all the previous cases of drunks and homeless people sleeping in them.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

That figure actually includes the cost of wages, which would gave been paid regardless of what the police were working on. On top of that there's overtime and use of equipment like the police helicopter

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/cost-of-corrie-mckeague-investigation-exceeds-1million-1-5004778

Agreed that much of the £1m+ was effectively sunk costs, but for a small force to have to divert even a dozen or so officers from other duties for 20 weeks would have had some knock-on effect on other operations.

 

[guruagain]

Well we still don't know for certain he was in the bin (I do think he was) so it's maybe a bit early to be pointing fingers at anyone.

Thats the point - If the bin man had looked we would know for certain!

 

[Taskforce88]

That figure actually includes the cost of wages, which would gave been paid regardless of what the police were working on. On top of that there's overtime and use of equipment like the police helicopter

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/cost-of-corrie-mckeague-investigation-exceeds-1million-1-5004778

Well that was going to be my point, this was money that would have been paid regardless. As is almost always the case when the media start quoting figures.

 

[Scorpio1]

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/local-news/corrie-mckeague-search-landfill-milton-13714724
Nicola said the initial search was carried out based on evidence from landfill owners FCC Environment, which owns the two sites, and a private haulage firm which it hires.
Nicola said the new search site will cover deposits from all lorries which moved rubbish from Red Lodge from September 26 until September 30 last year.
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FCC environment own the red lodge transfer station so any mix up to ware it went after biffa dropped it at red lodge would be down to FCC environment not biffa, it looks like to me both company's have very poor record keeping of what actually happens to the rubbish ,

 

[Reallyodd]

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/local-news/corrie-mckeague-search-landfill-milton-13714724
Nicola said the initial search was carried out based on evidence from landfill owners FCC Environment, which owns the two sites, and a private haulage firm which it hires.
Nicola said the new search site will cover deposits from all lorries which moved rubbish from Red Lodge from September 26 until September 30 last year.
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FCC environment own the red lodge transfer station so any mix up to ware it went after biffa dropped it at red lodge would be down to FCC environment not biffa, it looks like to me both company's have very poor record keeping of what actually happens to the rubbish ,

Indeed it does and there are also questions as to why the waste was not sorted as it had previously been said that all waste went on a conveyor belt in the sorting process and a body would have been found.