UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #22

[Scorpio1]

Indeed it does and there are also questions as to why the waste was not sorted as it had previously been said that all waste went on a conveyor belt in the sorting process and a body would have been found.

http://www.fccenvironment.co.uk/recycling.html
they have an impressive website saying that landfill is last resort as they sort and recycle the waste,

 

[Shiressleuth]

Indeed it does and there are also questions as to why the waste was not sorted as it had previously been said that all waste went on a conveyor belt in the sorting process and a body would have been found.

Recycling - apparently an urban myth IMO.

 

[jessie]

http://www.fccenvironment.co.uk/recycling.html
they have an impressive website saying that landfill is last resort as they sort and recycle the waste,

From your link when I clicked HWRC "read more" it comes up as a 'page 404 not found' !!!!
I wonder if their site has crashed, or am I just a suspicious person ?

 

[Shiressleuth]

This has been discussed before, don't you remember...
Biffa possibly has been lying to the customer about recycling, not doing everything by the rules but still fully charging customers and so on.... So I'm not a bit surprised to hear that there might have been wrong lorry under inspection!

Me neither, I bet it is cheaper to dump in the landfill than to sort it. Bet it is as simple as that at the waste companies. And I don't believe the GPS tracking of the actual bin lorry to the landfill cell either. Futuristic claptrap IMO.

 

[Ironside]

From your link when I clicked HWRC "read more" it comes up as a 'page 404 not found' !!!!
I wonder if their site has crashed, or am I just a suspicious person ?

It works fine for me so you're just being suspicious - nothing wrong with that as every member of WS is!

 

[Shiressleuth]

Initially it was but then they based it on gps data so I think this means they're now going back to the original area they started the search in?

I think it is logical to complete the entire cell. I'm not going to bash the police as I'm sure they had reasons to stop the search such as budget or manpower. The important thing is they're restarting the search now.

I think the police are being misled by the waste companies as they originally suspected re the PTCOJ arrest.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Hollow Road industrial estate sighting was the one by the suger beet factory in bse, to what I can remember that was checked out very early on, then we had the a11 Barton mills sighting the one ware the lorry driver saw a guy crossing the the a11 and it was reported and his wife also reported it, I still can't find anyting about the sighting N said about towards ware April lives, that would be heading north from Barton mills and bse, but corrie knew that April was in America and would not be at home so I can't see him trying to get to ware she lives, only IMO

Sorry catching up a bit but I think the sighting N may be referring to was possibly the Brandon sighting as that was the most northerly sighting and indeed probably the nearest sighting to his base as well as Downham Market.

 

[Shiressleuth]

And if they were following the wrong bin lorry does that render the phone pings useless?

Wasn't something said very early on about the wrong lorry being forensically tested? Seems like this "other lorry" has been dogging the investigation the whole time. (No pun intended) :thinking:

 

[Shiressleuth]

It wasn't the council that spent £1m on the search it was the police.


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Council ultimately pay police budgets unless parliament helped in this instance.

 

[Shiressleuth]

No. The bin lorry did not go to the landfill. It went to the transfer station at Red Lodge and discharged its load there. Other lorries then take the refuse to landfill - or incinerator, recycling place or wherever.

What I don't really understand is how a body wouldn't have been spotted at the transfer station.

We were assured early on that it would have been spotted. I think it's back to the theory that the phone travelled alone.

 

[jessie]

Sorry catching up a bit but I think the sighting N may be referring to was possibly the Brandon sighting as that was the most northerly sighting and indeed probably the nearest sighting to his base as well as Downham Market.

Apologies for asking and not searching but where was the finding of a phone reported?? Was it in the Brandon area?
I know nothing came of this but just trying to orientate myself with the previous reports. Thanks anyone that remembers, I'm not local so areas are unknown to me.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Cambridge News has the story too now. Worth reading in full. Will say, if true I think it shocking that such mistakes have been made over this.


http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/local-news/corrie-mckeague-search-landfill-milton-13714724

The police search for missing airman Corrie McKeague stopped because of incorrect information given by a waste disposal firm, his mother has claimed.

Nicola Urquhart, 48, said detectives were resuming their search for the 23-year-old at a landfill site because previous information had been wrong.

Corrie is believed to have been taken to the site in Milton, Cambridgeshire through a holding site after he fell asleep in an industrial bin following a night out in September last year.

Nicola said the initial search was carried out based on evidence from landfill owners FCC Environment, which owns the two sites, and a private haulage firm which it hires.

Nicola said the new search site will cover deposits from all lorries which moved rubbish from Red Lodge from September 26 until September 30 last year.

"and a private haulage firm which it hires". Not Biffa then ?
Sep 26 till 30th would be the Monday till Friday after C disappeared. They surely don't believe C was in a bin for the whole weekend do they?

 

[Shiressleuth]

Apologies for asking and not searching but where was the finding of a phone reported?? Was it in the Brandon area?
I know nothing came of this but just trying to orientate myself with the previous reports. Thanks anyone that remembers, I'm not local so areas are unknown to me.

Part of a phone was found in the Barton Mills area (where his phone last pinged).

 

[jessie]

Part of a phone was found in the Barton Mills area (where his phone last pinged).

Ah, OK thanks very much. I think maybe I'm confusing this with those car keys reported found - different area then.

 

[Reallyodd]

Part of a phone was found in the Barton Mills area (where his phone last pinged).

Red Lodge picks up the other BM mast, not the one at the roundabout. So in theory, it could be either of those but I'm sure SP know which one and that may in part have led them to the landfill. It was said to have run out of battery/crushed around 8am.

 

[jessie]

I am quite ignorant about Waste Transfer Stations and rubbish collections (though I've learnt a lot this past year!)

If C had been picked up with just paper/cardboard waste this would have been apparent when the bin lorry emptied because surely paper/cardboard is kept and bundled separately? A body would be noticed wouldn't it?

I cannot find a vid of a waste transfer station in the UK but if this is what happens I can understand that with general waste being transferred a body could easily be missed: - [video=youtube;B2aM56_ICuw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2aM56_ICuw[/video]

Not really going anywhere with this sorry, just attempting to understand what could possibly have happened, how mistakes and misinformation have misled and how all this has happened - answers NONE.
So hope C is found, thoughts with his poor family.

 

[Miss_French]

To think that all this could have been avoided if the bin man had simply lifted the lid and looked in the bin, he'd either have seen Corrie and saved him, or definitively not seen him and saved a million quid search. I'm not blaming him, but I hope it leads to a change in policy.

IMO, could have been avoided long before it got to the bin stage!

 

[DanceCard]

Thats the point - If the bin man had looked we would know for certain!

Yes exactly. It's bin day where I live today, so after reading the thread last night I kept an eye out when the bin men came today. All of my neighbours bin lids were lifted and looked in by the operative before he took it to the bin wagon. And domestic bins would be harder to get into than the ones we're talking about in C's case.
I've posted many months ago to say that the guys who do our bins at my work always check in them too.

Anyway, nothing of value to add just yet, just that I am still here, thanks to all who are still contributing, and I do now think that C will be found in landfill. Well, I think I think I do, at least. :lol:
Still can't be sure how he came to be in the bin but leaning towards him getting into it himself with no 3rd party involvement.

 

[Miss_French]

Apologies for asking and not searching but where was the finding of a phone reported?? Was it in the Brandon area?
I know nothing came of this but just trying to orientate myself with the previous reports. Thanks anyone that remembers, I'm not local so areas are unknown to me.

It was the back of a phone found in the park in Mildenhall

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rtphone-park-near-went-missing-September.html

 

[Reallyodd]

If he was found to have been in a bin, then besides those involved, i.e. drivers, operators of waste etc, the company whose bin it was could be in a lot of trouble. All those responsible for bins, including householders, have a duty of care to ensure their waste is kept secure until it is collected, and in the case of those large bins, they should be locked.