UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #22

[CoverMeCagney]

Reallyodds link explains it, it was all just a misunderstanding.

Well, we've had a fair few of those along the way.

What's your best guess on where he is, Ironside? And everyone else?

 

[Shiressleuth]

Scenarios:

1) Corrie was in the bin but managed to get out and have some kind of accident trying to walk home
2) Corrie was in the bin but managed to get out and went to meet someone, and it all went wrong
3) Corrie was in the bin and ended up at one of the waste sites but hasn't been found
4) Corrie got a lift in the bin lorry cab and befell either accident or incident
5) Corrie got a lift in another vehicle and ditto above
6) Corrie somehow bypassed the cameras on foot and ditto above.

Things I still wonder about:

Focus 7. There could have been unofficial residents in there, and it is right next to where C was last seen. If there were people in the building they would not want to admit it. Drugs possibility. Had days to dispose / clean up.

The 100kg+ bin weight. If not a person, what weighed so much? Did we ascertain that the actual bin gets weighed, or it it the total weight of the lorry? What / who caused the initial weight mix up at Biffa?

Red Lodge. Looks a bit dodge to me in google images (which are quite old). Could there have been a cover up? Could the bin driver be involved? What was all that confusion in the early days about who was driving?

The American air base. Wasn't searched. Rumours of party nearby. Corrie was usually out with an American pal.

The sex life. I would not be surprised, given what we have seen on the swinging sites, if Corrie went to meet someone for a bit of fun.

The nightclub bouncer / manager. Can't remember who now, but one of them said something which was disproved by CCTV. Why lie? Not sure Corrie was as popular as portrayed, perhaps was being a pain in the arse that night.


I'm sure I've missed loads of ideas out.... what does everyone else think happened?!?!

Changed into spare clothes hidden in horseshoe and escaped as an old homeless man using previously hidden bicycle, up SB on a route similar or parallel to bin lorry as he headed to, or arranged a rendevous to BM.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Well, we've had a fair few of those along the way.

What's your best guess on where he is, Ironside? And everyone else?

I have a couple of theories but it would greatly help if SP shared more info like more complete CCTV, timings and movement of phone etc in greater detail. If they don't then I have to wonder if they are operating within certain 'restrictions'. If they are genuinely stumped then surely opening things up to the public can only help?

 

[Taskforce88]

Changed into spare clothes hidden in horseshoe and escaped as an old homeless man using previously hidden bicycle, up SB route similar to horseshoe as he headed to BM or arranged rendevous.

What time was the 'old man' spotted on CCTV?

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

What time was the 'old man' spotted on CCTV?

IIRC 04:30 and 05:30? Though for all we know he was hanging around the area all night. The lack of detail from SP means we'll probably never get to know....

 

[Taskforce88]

IIRC 04:30 and 05:30? Though for all we know he was hanging around the area all night. The lack of detail from SP means we'll probably never get to know....

Yep, the lack of detail is annoying to put it lightly, on this and other cases.

 

[Ironside]

Changed into spare clothes hidden in horseshoe and escaped as an old homeless man using previously hidden bicycle, up SB on a route similar or parallel to bin lorry as he headed to, or arranged a rendevous to BM.

He was blind drunk after a night of pre-loading and binge drinking so I don't know why you think he was capable of cycling a bike.

I find theories that he intentionally vanished to be awfully cruel to his family. There is zero evidence to back it up.

 

[Shiressleuth]

He was blind drunk after a night of pre-loading and binge drinking so I don't know why you think he was capable of cycling a bike.

I find theories that he intentionally vanished to be awfully cruel to his family. There is zero evidence to back it up.

The evidence/doubt is the homeless man has never been traced. Why is it cruel to think/hope he may still be alive? You'd rather he died from being blind drunk? Where's the evidence he's dead for that matter?
Cagney asked for other theories so I provided one that she hadn't mentioned. There were early reports he had spoken/shared his food with a homeless guy too.
Could he have ridden a bike? Yes. And the evidence for the bike was on one of the first missing posters.
Yes, I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel - but leave no stone unturned IMO.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I find theories that he intentionally vanished to be awfully cruel to his family. There is zero evidence to back it up.

I'm not convinced there's much evidence to support any of the mooted hypotheses.

When it comes down to it all we know is that:

A) He somehow left the horseshoe; and
B) His phone travelled to Barton Mills about an hour after he was last seen.

And that really is IT.

 

[Shiressleuth]

There's only 3 possibilities
1. Foul play.
2. Accident.
3. Awol.

Now the LF is off the table we should explore them all.
Time for a new poll Cags to see which is the one thought most likely perhaps, then we could go from there?

 

[Taskforce88]

I'm not convinced there's much evidence to support any of the mooted hypotheses.

When it comes down to it all we know is that:

A) He somehow left the horseshoe; and
B) His phone travelled to Barton Mills about an hour after he was last seen.

And that really is IT.

Indeed, unless he is still in the horseshoe then he either left on foot (unseen) or in a vehicle.

When the issue about bin weights arose, the police questioned a waste worker and then began a landfill search - which I believe they claimed was being planned anyway?

The police have traced all the vehicles and out of all the people they wanted to speak to, only two haven't been located/come forward?

What about the van driver who claimed to have seen someone matching Cs description? His wife contacted the police some time later. Have most dismissed this sighting?

 

[Scorpio1]

There's only 3 possibilities
1. Foul play.
2. Accident.
3. Awol.

Now the LF is off the table we should explore them all.
Time for a new poll Cags to see which is the one thought most likely perhaps, then we could go from there?

I can't see accident still being a possibility as some one would have found a body after all this time, fowl play is possible if the body was disposed of or hidden, AWOL is still top of my list and to what I know of has never been taken seriously by family or sp,

 

[Miss_French]

The evidence/doubt is the homeless man has never been traced. Why is it cruel to think/hope he may still be alive? You'd rather he died from being blind drunk? Where's the evidence he's dead for that matter?
Cagney asked for other theories so I provided one that she hadn't mentioned. There were early reports he had spoken/shared his food with a homeless guy too.
Could he have ridden a bike? Yes. And the evidence for the bike was on one of the first missing posters.
Yes, I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel - but leave no stone unturned IMO.

There is a man on cctv that hasn't been traced, but no evidence that he is homeless, especially as he hasn't been questioned!

 

[Shiressleuth]

There is a man on cctv that hasn't been traced, but no evidence that he is homeless, especially as he hasn't been questioned!

There's no evidence he isn't homeless either. I'm going by the fact he hasn't been traced, the time at which he was hanging around waiting for McD's to open, so he could get breakfast/hot drink/use facilities, and the humongous bag on his back in the first cctv still. I also think he was possibly the same homeless guy hanging around outside Mama mia's, mentioned in the early threads. This is MOO.

 

[jessie]

I have a couple of theories but it would greatly help if SP shared more info like more complete CCTV, timings and movement of phone etc in greater detail. If they don't then I have to wonder if they are operating within certain 'restrictions'. If they are genuinely stumped then surely opening things up to the public can only help?

From the DM link posted above by gregjrichards : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz50zTwGS4N

Suffolk Police said today: 'Police are content Corrie is not in the landfill areas which have now been searched.'

Detective Superintendent Katie Elliott said: 'We are still committed to continuing with the inquiry.

'There are a number of other theories about what could have happened to Corrie and we are continuing to test the evidence to help us understand what happened to Corrie, which will assist in providing answers to his family.'

'A number of other theories' sounds fairly positive to me so not all hope lost yet.
I would dearly like a hint of these other theories SP have though.

 

[Shiressleuth]

From the DM link posted above by gregjrichards : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz50zTwGS4N

Suffolk Police said today: 'Police are content Corrie is not in the landfill areas which have now been searched.'

Detective Superintendent Katie Elliott said: 'We are still committed to continuing with the inquiry.

'There are a number of other theories about what could have happened to Corrie and we are continuing to test the evidence to help us understand what happened to Corrie, which will assist in providing answers to his family.'

'A number of other theories' sounds fairly positive to me so not all hope lost yet.
I would dearly like a hint of these other theories SP have though.

They're probably reading here and just saw my "dressed as a homeless guy on a bike" theory. :laughcry:

 

[Shiressleuth]

Way back at the beginning, several people suggested maybe he left his phone on the bin while he had a pee, then forgot it and went on his way. Now it sits there for 45-50 minutes till bin lorry turns up. Bin man sees phone, puts it in his pocket, empties bin and gets in cab and goes on his way.
That would explain phone in cab and pinging but no Corrie. In the meantime C has headed up SB thumbing it, gets a lift and is seen crossing the A14 by 5 Ways, where his lift dropped him off. Continues thumbing up to Brandon then across to Honington, but doesn't make it. Accident based on opinion/phone pings/ unconfirmed sightings.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Way back at the beginning, several people suggested maybe he left his phone on the bin while he had a pee, then forgot it and went on his way. Now it sits there for 45-50 minutes till bin lorry turns up. Bin man sees phone, puts it in his pocket, empties bin and gets in cab and goes on his way.
That would explain phone in cab and pinging but no Corrie. In the meantime C has headed up SB thumbing it, gets a lift and is seen crossing the A14 by 5 Ways, where his lift dropped him off. Continues thumbing up to Brandon then across to Honington, but doesn't make it. Accident based on opinion/phone pings/ unconfirmed sightings.

But Honington and Fiveways are in opposite directions and there's no way he'd go via Brandon, he also wouldn't be near the A14 if he was trying to walk home. Now, if he was trying to walk to the US base, it would all make much more sense!

 

[Blamhappy]

Way back at the beginning, several people suggested maybe he left his phone on the bin while he had a pee, then forgot it and went on his way. Now it sits there for 45-50 minutes till bin lorry turns up. Bin man sees phone, puts it in his pocket, empties bin and gets in cab and goes on his way.
That would explain phone in cab and pinging but no Corrie. In the meantime C has headed up SB thumbing it, gets a lift and is seen crossing the A14 by 5 Ways, where his lift dropped him off. Continues thumbing up to Brandon then across to Honington, but doesn't make it. Accident based on opinion/phone pings/ unconfirmed sightings.

It is logical, but why would the driver lie?

 

[Shiressleuth]

But Honington and Fiveways are in opposite directions and there's no way he'd go via Brandon, he also wouldn't be near the A14 if he was trying to walk home. Now, if he was trying to walk to the US base, it would all make much more sense!

Sometimes when thumbing you go the main roads because of likelihood of lifts from lorry drivers and he may well have been heading for Mildenhall first - nobody knew his plans did they? ( or they haven't disclosed them) He could have also thumbed up the A1101 to 5 ways too. Just trying to fit the sightings to a means of travel and the other routes have all been searched AFAIK.
Eta typo in my previous post I meant crossing the A11 at 5 Ways not the A14.